No im not a bot, my whole first paragraph I wrote myself. I am only trying to educate.
BTW Quizzical, I have always admired your posts, and have always respected your opinion on hardware related topics. I have always been curious what you went to school for.
Regarding the original post, you are comparing a digital computer to an analog one. How many people know anything about analog computing? I tried to just grab a few relevant lines pertaining to the post. I would encourage anyone interested in the subject to read the whole page.
By training, I'm a mathematician. Learning about computers is mostly stuff I did on my own, not studied in school.
I'm satisfied that you're not a bot, though for future reference, if you're going to copy/paste from an article in an online post, it's best to make that clear and link to the original article.
Every line has a link in blue to the site! Thank you for accusing me of being a bot tho, and telling me how to structure my posts!
Do you have anything useful to add about the topic at hand? Or anything I posted? That was all relevant to the OP?
No im not a bot, my whole first paragraph I wrote myself. I am only trying to educate.
BTW Quizzical, I have always admired your posts, and have always respected your opinion on hardware related topics. I have always been curious what you went to school for.
Regarding the original post, you are comparing a digital computer to an analog one. How many people know anything about analog computing? I tried to just grab a few relevant lines pertaining to the post. I would encourage anyone interested in the subject to read the whole page.
By training, I'm a mathematician. Learning about computers is mostly stuff I did on my own, not studied in school.
I'm satisfied that you're not a bot, though for future reference, if you're going to copy/paste from an article in an online post, it's best to make that clear and link to the original article.
Every line has a link in blue to the site! Thank you for accusing me of being a bot tho, and telling me how to structure my posts!
I wasn't so much accusing you of being a bot as trying to find out. If you ask a poster if he's a bot and he answers "no", that settles it. I have seen bots that copy/paste from other sites to try to make it look like they're not bots.
I sometimes I imagine AI so advanced you could tell it what game you wanted to play and it would automatically find, register you, D/L, and install the game. I also imagine being able to say, "Cortana, create an ice mage and take him to max level in WoW." Then I could just play end game.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
No im not a bot, my whole first paragraph I wrote myself. I am only trying to educate.
BTW Quizzical, I have always admired your posts, and have always respected your opinion on hardware related topics. I have always been curious what you went to school for.
Regarding the original post, you are comparing a digital computer to an analog one. How many people know anything about analog computing? I tried to just grab a few relevant lines pertaining to the post. I would encourage anyone interested in the subject to read the whole page.
By training, I'm a mathematician. Learning about computers is mostly stuff I did on my own, not studied in school.
I'm satisfied that you're not a bot, though for future reference, if you're going to copy/paste from an article in an online post, it's best to make that clear and link to the original article.
Every line has a link in blue to the site! Thank you for accusing me of being a bot tho, and telling me how to structure my posts!
Do you have anything useful to add about the topic at hand? Or anything I posted? That was all relevant to the OP?
I did not intend to pick a fight here. It was more like a captcha. Or to take a gaming example, when I used to play WoW, before inviting someone to a group, I'd ask "what is two plus three?" If I got an answer that seemed to understand that I was asking about arithmetic, I'd invite the person. And if I got an answer of "yes" (the most common answer that didn't indicate understanding the question), I'd figure it was a gold farmer or some such (who tried to join groups a lot!) and not invite him.
I did answer your question about what I studied in school.
If you believe what DMKano says and are a transhumanist like he is. We will all one day be digital computer super saiyans traveling the universe as gods. lol ya right. We can't even match a rats brain let alone a humans. Likely we never will digitally.
A machine that can fly in the sky! Hah, next are going to tell me the earth is round and evolves around the sun ?.
If you believe what DMKano says and are a transhumanist like he is. We will all one day be digital computer super saiyans traveling the universe as gods. lol ya right. We can't even match a rats brain let alone a humans. Likely we never will digitally.
A machine that can fly in the sky! Hah, next are going to tell me the earth is round and evolves around the sun ?.
He is not talking about a simple machine that can fly smart a$$, he is talking about fully merging with machines. AKA becoming superman/jesus/cyborg. If that is your religion so be it.
I'm actually interested in the perspective of what our brain's and nervous system physical limits are.
A bit of googling from (http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=1950) roughly puts our nervous system at about 268 mph, from brain signals to the rest of our body. Internally our brain runs at about 2.21 miles per second.
What will happen when we get to the point of being able to replace or gene-engineer our physical bodies to use better conductive methods? There are a few sci-fi novels that have looked at a superconductive nervous systems, maybe we'll get there one day?
(That is annoying to do in imperial units by the way.)
Comparatively I know electricity moves really fast through circuits, depending on what the conductive material, I would maybe guess around 1/100 the speed of light (probably less, I'm not a scientist, I'm sure there are TONS of other factors.) but I don't think it'd be able to handle the flexibility needed to emulate a human brain since we're starting to hit limits on what can fit on a chip. Maybe new materials (graphene?) will allow us to move to a circuit cube instead a chip?
There is also optical computing to take into account as well - as it will likely become a stopgap in-between on our way to quantum computing.
Give it another 40 years - when a single $1200 will be more powerful than all human brains put together
I think 40 years is way too soon for the above to be realized. Rest assured that if/when it ever does, Humans will no longer rule the world. We will become secondary citizens after accepting defeat in the AI revolutionary war of ????.
I don't think that there will be a war.
AI will simply take over - humans will have a choice to integrate into the collective AI mind via some kind of mind uploading or simply die and go extinct if they wish.
There will be some transhuman evolution as humans 1.0 transition to humans 2.0 via genetic and nano modification but ultimately humans as we are today are just a transient state - the final form is AI for sure.
Human brain can never achieve superintelligence without modification - and once AI grows to beyond even modified humans superintelligent brain - even transhuman 2.x will lose their purpose.
AI has a future far beyond our own.
You watch to many movies. Unless we find a new way to build computers. The micro chip is reaching is limits. Heat and power are something thats put a ceiling or our current model of tech.
The micro chip may be reaching its limits, but when it does, there will be something else to take its place that will take technology further. It has always been this way. The micro chip is not the end all be all. There is a whole lot yet to be discovered. And that's an understatement.
That's the key, there are always people slaving over their theories then you get a breakthrough. As long as it doesn't get suppressed or watered down for corporate profits.
Thats the thing. Micro chips are reaching its limits because of the laws of the universe. So find a way to break said laws or come up with a totally new type of tech that its restrictions are governed by different laws. Like a biological computer (heat is no longer the problem) As tech stands now, we are reaching its ceiling.
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Do you have anything useful to add about the topic at hand? Or anything I posted? That was all relevant to the OP?
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I did answer your question about what I studied in school.
"I am my connectome" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7GwKXfJB0
A bit of googling from (http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=1950) roughly puts our nervous system at about 268 mph, from brain signals to the rest of our body. Internally our brain runs at about 2.21 miles per second.
What will happen when we get to the point of being able to replace or gene-engineer our physical bodies to use better conductive methods? There are a few sci-fi novels that have looked at a superconductive nervous systems, maybe we'll get there one day?
(That is annoying to do in imperial units by the way.)
Comparatively I know electricity moves really fast through circuits, depending on what the conductive material, I would maybe guess around 1/100 the speed of light (probably less, I'm not a scientist, I'm sure there are TONS of other factors.) but I don't think it'd be able to handle the flexibility needed to emulate a human brain since we're starting to hit limits on what can fit on a chip. Maybe new materials (graphene?) will allow us to move to a circuit cube instead a chip?
There is also optical computing to take into account as well - as it will likely become a stopgap in-between on our way to quantum computing.