Oculus Founder Explains Why Macs Can't Do Virtual Reality

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H0urg1ass · March 2016

But my beard, over-sized eye glasses, stretched out ear plugs, locally crafted smoking pipe, vinyl collection, 20 year old converse, scarf draped over an obscure band's t-shirt and skinny jeans just won't look right sitting by a PC.

That Mac just ties my whole look together maaan.

madazz · March 2016

I completely disagree with the statements about Apple doing it right. Perhaps when Jobs was around. But now they are making many questionable decisions. May I point out how their tablet pen sticks out the end of the ipad pro to charge? Jobs would never allow a bad idea like that. How about Apple Maps? Did you guys forget about that? Oh and their video game system did SOOOOO well. How about over priced PC's? How about manipulating numbers to classify their g4 computers as super computers in the advertisements? Other than their iPhone, they have been behind A LOT in every area of the market. Even the iPhone quickly lost ground to other phones for their superior features (look how big Samsung got as a result of hiring better programmers).

The only thing apple has done REALLY WELL is the iphone and ipad products. Their PC's are lackluster and the OS has some WEIRD design choices. Not sure if this is fixed yet, but I hate how maximizing netflix made the other monitors go blank. WTF?!? As a Graphic Designer who started out on Mac, I find it sad that people are loyal to companies that aren't loyal to them for no reason. Its hard convincing people how the bang for buck just isn't there AT ALL. Like, not even remotely. Look at their ram costs! I can't believe people buy ram from them. Oh... and their heating issues.... ugh!!!! Such terrible laptop designs. Lets have the heat disperse directly on to the monitor where it will just circulate it back onto the keyboard lol.

Its good to see a professional has called them out. But in a day when people get all confused as to what MMO (its three frickin words... come on now) means.... not much should be surprising to me anymore.

So with all that said, perhaps you guys should re-evaluate your opinions. Apple will be the LAST company to do it right.

MW2K · March 2016

Apple hasn't been a gaming platform since the IIe,

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Cleffy · March 2016

What Apple does is steal other people's ideas and gussies them up in PR/Marketing bullshit. They didn't bring the portable media devices to the table, they didn't bring the smart phones to the table, they didn't bring the tablet to the table. They just took them, made them look less square, decreased their functionality, and spent a shit load advertising. I do like Cook as head. He is much more on the tech side of things so it should pan the hardware out better.

Kiyoris · March 2016

blueturtle13 said:
He went on to explain:

"You can buy a $6,000 Mac Pro with the top-of-the-line AMD Fire Pro D700s, and it still doesn't match our recommended specs"

Don't understand what he is even talking about. Fire Pro are not built for speed in gaming. They are made to ensure reliability, they have things like ECC memory and they have a different type of driver. What is he even talking about, he is making no sense, they are development cards and used for medical imaging, not for gaming.

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loghorizon01 · March 2016

Eh, of course Apple will just release their own VR when they want to. They don't need OR for that. And I speak as someone who owns zero Apple devices.

lugal · March 2016

PCMR!

rojoArcueid · March 2016

I can see Apple trying to sell their own VR with a 4 digit price because it looks pretty.

Wizardry · March 2016

I don't understand what he means by prioritize,he makes it sound like the cpu operates a function than sits around waits for the gpu for several seconds.PC hardware works at lightning fast speeds and even the normal Intel Microsoft stuff has poor optimization between cpu and gpu.

I also don't understand what exactly people think they are getting out of these VR sets other than simulating having your face glued up against your PC monitor.I wonder how dangerous these are going to be on gamer's eyes.Also there is no such thing as 3D your still looking at a semi flat screen the same 2D objects that anyone else is looking at with some fake camera lens work to makes you think your looking at something special.

He says they are basically making them at cost,well i imagine if they are made in USA then likely yes,most manufacturers have been exploiting over seas for years,likely saving 2-300% the cost.I kind of expect not all the truth is out there,although he does seem like an honest person lol.I would not doubt for one minute they have some manufacturing going on over seas.

Phry · March 2016

blueturtle13 said:

Kiyoris said:

blueturtle13 said:
He went on to explain:

"You can buy a $6,000 Mac Pro with the top-of-the-line AMD Fire Pro D700s, and it still doesn't match our recommended specs"

Don't understand what he is even talking about. Fire Pro are not built for speed in gaming. They are made to ensure reliability, they have things like ECC memory and they have a different type of driver. What is he even talking about, he is making no sense, they are development cards and used for medical imaging, not for gaming.

Agreed. The guy is a space cadet. I am not sure even he knows what he is talking about.

Or he knows exactly what he is talking about, if the OR, like other VR devices, relies heavily on the machines GPU, then that is why the Mac's don't have the capability, its not 'rocket science' after all, just simple math.

Konfess · March 2016

Kiyoris said:

blueturtle13 said:
He went on to explain:

"You can buy a $6,000 Mac Pro with the top-of-the-line AMD Fire Pro D700s, and it still doesn't match our recommended specs"

Don't understand what he is even talking about. Fire Pro are not built for speed in gaming. They are made to ensure reliability, they have things like ECC memory and they have a different type of driver. What is he even talking about, he is making no sense, they are development cards and used for medical imaging, not for gaming.

Palmer asked what the top of the line Mac machine was, thinking it would be also the top of the line gaming Mac. The Art Department usually works on Mac Pros. Palmer had no idea they weren't working on gaming computers.

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Phry · March 2016

blueturtle13 said:

Phry said:

blueturtle13 said:

Kiyoris said:

blueturtle13 said:
He went on to explain:

"You can buy a $6,000 Mac Pro with the top-of-the-line AMD Fire Pro D700s, and it still doesn't match our recommended specs"

Don't understand what he is even talking about. Fire Pro are not built for speed in gaming. They are made to ensure reliability, they have things like ECC memory and they have a different type of driver. What is he even talking about, he is making no sense, they are development cards and used for medical imaging, not for gaming.

Agreed. The guy is a space cadet. I am not sure even he knows what he is talking about.

Or he knows exactly what he is talking about, if the OR, like other VR devices, relies heavily on the machines GPU, then that is why the Mac's don't have the capability, its not 'rocket science' after all, just simple math.

Mark Zuckerberg talks about the importance of having VR in the educational sector then Palmer bashes Apple which has very important ties to the educational environment. When asked about that contradiction later today he back tracked and said well perhaps we can look at additional ways we can bring it into educational opportunities using the OR with the existing hardware.

What? You mean all the Macs in Schools?

When I worked for Barnes and Noble in Palo Alto for the Nook division before coming to IBM, We were tasked with equipping the institutions with E-Readers and their digital content. I was the Regional Technology Specialist and had over 700 schools in my charge. 675 of those 700 schools used Macs. This was not just a regional exception. This was nationwide. Apple dominates the educational sector. If What Mark Zuckerberg said is true then Palmer needs to get on the same page as his boss.

So no @Phry it is not rocket science. Which is why it is surprising you can't figure that out. Educate before you insinuate.

So him saying they would find ways for it to work doesn't tell you anything? or are you suggesting that schools have high end gaming machines in them, which is hardly likely, and i am sure that the OR at 20fps is perhaps useable, but, that experience is not what you would want in a game, for education purposes, it might be acceptable.
So no, it really isn't rocket science.
ps. Mark Zuckerberg is the facebook guy, not the high end tech guy.

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SEANMCAD · March 2016

Torval said:

If and when Apple integrates VR into their platform they will probably do it right instead of how the OR team went about it.

It will be an end user experience first and foremost. It probably won't require IBM's Watson to run it. It will likely "just work" with their ecosystem without requiring another $1000 upgrade because let's face it most computers can't run a Rift regardless of the OS.

It's not like they can't make a powerful system. The iPhone 6S is one of the most powerful mobile phones on the planet.

I also think he's over-estimating how popular it will be with the mass public or that most people will care whether they can run a Rift or not.

by the time apple gets to its iWatch...(oh sorry I mean iVR) it will be too late.

HOWEVER, they still might make more money

Phry · March 2016

SEANMCAD said:

Torval said:

If and when Apple integrates VR into their platform they will probably do it right instead of how the OR team went about it.

It will be an end user experience first and foremost. It probably won't require IBM's Watson to run it. It will likely "just work" with their ecosystem without requiring another $1000 upgrade because let's face it most computers can't run a Rift regardless of the OS.

It's not like they can't make a powerful system. The iPhone 6S is one of the most powerful mobile phones on the planet.

I also think he's over-estimating how popular it will be with the mass public or that most people will care whether they can run a Rift or not.

by the time apple gets to its iWatch...(oh sorry I mean iVR) it will be too late.

HOWEVER, they still might make more money

iVR might not have the Vives capabilities when it eventually exists, but it will definitely have its price tag

SEANMCAD · March 2016

Phry said:

SEANMCAD said:

Torval said:

If and when Apple integrates VR into their platform they will probably do it right instead of how the OR team went about it.

It will be an end user experience first and foremost. It probably won't require IBM's Watson to run it. It will likely "just work" with their ecosystem without requiring another $1000 upgrade because let's face it most computers can't run a Rift regardless of the OS.

It's not like they can't make a powerful system. The iPhone 6S is one of the most powerful mobile phones on the planet.

I also think he's over-estimating how popular it will be with the mass public or that most people will care whether they can run a Rift or not.

by the time apple gets to its iWatch...(oh sorry I mean iVR) it will be too late.

HOWEVER, they still might make more money

iVR might not have the Vives capabilities when it eventually exists, but it will definitely have its price tag

exatly and wallstreet will go nuts because Apple is weighed so heavy in tech ETFs

GrumpyHobbit · March 2016

Apple with sort things out.

They will take the same tech, components, idea's and platforms.
They will either dumb the entire product down or lock it all in so no one can touch it.
They will then market the hell out of their product.
They will then charge 3 times as much for it.
And the crowds will throw money at it.

Does anyone know how to change a fuse?

SEANMCAD · March 2016

GrumpyHobbit said:

Apple with sort things out.

They will take the same tech, components, idea's and platforms.
They will either dumb the entire product down or lock it all in so no one can touch it.
They will then market the hell out of their product.
They will then charge 3 times as much for it.
And the crowds will throw money at it.

Does anyone know how to change a fuse?

and Apple fans will tell everyone how great this VR thing is as if they have never known VR even existed prior to iVR

that is how it works with phones anyway

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