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Monitor prices are cheap

CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
edited March 2016 in Hardware
Just got a promotional email from Newegg. A 28" 4k monitor with DP for $280, a 34" ultrawide ips for $500. Had to buy 2 for my dual screen computer even though my system can't handle gaming at 4k for demanding titles.
in the back of my mind I am thinking there is something wrong with the 4K displays. The AoC ultra wide is an LG panel.
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  • HulluckHulluck Member UncommonPosts: 839
    edited March 2016
    The 4k Yamakasi? 

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA90V3V03945

    If so. I have never even heard of that brand before.


  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    Yea about to find out their worth. I assume they are one of the Korean brands who buy the what's left panels from LG and Samsung.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,501
    It's almost certainly a TN panel, so poor image quality.  Any sort of IPS generally has much better viewing angles than that.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    edited March 2016

    Yea I know it's a TN, but for a 4k monitor it was really cheap. Also their marketing material makes me laugh a little. It's using a Korean iPhone, and most of the text is in broken English or inaccurate. Like UHD is 8 million pixels, not 800 million.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Let us know how it turns out, I'm mildly interested.

    TN panels are really really cheap right now.
  • F0URTWENTYF0URTWENTY Member UncommonPosts: 349
    Neither of those are gaming monitors.

    If you want an actual gaming monitor like mine @ 1440p/144hz it will cost you 600$+ USD
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    edited March 2016
    60Hz is all I need, and at 2160 I can down-res in games to 1440 or 1080.
    My guess is there will be 1-5 dead pixels.
  • FlyingDutchmasterFlyingDutchmaster Member UncommonPosts: 9
    wow yeah look at that
  • F0URTWENTYF0URTWENTY Member UncommonPosts: 349
    edited March 2016
    Cleffy said:
    60Hz is all I need, and at 2160 I can down-res in games to 1440 or 1080.
    My guess is there will be 1-5 dead pixels.
    Right but to be clear a 60HZ monitor isn't a gaming monitor. It won't be good for gaming which is probably what most people would be talking about on a website about games.

    Good luck playing a shooter or fast paced game vs good players with 144hz.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    I can't even see past 56 fps. Don't see the need to run at 144 fps
  • AldersAlders Member RarePosts: 2,207
    Waiting on 21:9 + 144hz + 1440p.
  • KilrainKilrain Member RarePosts: 1,185
    Neither of those are gaming monitors.

    If you want an actual gaming monitor like mine @ 1440p/144hz it will cost you 600$+ USD
    I play games on a 1080p 19" I bought about 2 years ago for under $200, and it still looks/works fantastic. So I'd say your monitor is an "enthusiast" monitor.
  • jitter77jitter77 Member UncommonPosts: 518
    Torval said:
    How is 60hz not a gaming monitor?

    I just bought a 29" 1080p ASUS IPS screen a couple of months ago. I really like IPS and think it's worth the extra money. I will be interested to know if you think 4k makes that switch back to TN worthwhile.
    IPS monitors have great pictures, but are not "gaming" monitors.  TN panels have better response times at the sacrifice of some picture quality.  For competitive gaming better response > than image quality.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    edited March 2016
    There are a few benefits to TN panels over IPS when factoring in LED backlighting. There is a lack of bleed in TN panels. The picture quality is similar to entry IPS panels. Ghosting is not an issue with TN panels. TN  panels are a lot cheaper.
    I've never used an IPS panel monitor for a long period of time. So like when I was on a CRT monitor, I don't know what I am missing.
    The AOC 34" ultra wide is also a bit interesting. It is an LG IPS panel. It would be equivalent to a 27" 16:9 monitor in height real-estate. It's also $500 off. But as you can imagine there will be issues with using a 21:9 monitor.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    edited March 2016
    Cleffy said:
    60Hz is all I need, and at 2160 I can down-res in games to 1440 or 1080.
    My guess is there will be 1-5 dead pixels.
    Right but to be clear a 60HZ monitor isn't a gaming monitor. It won't be good for gaming which is probably what most people would be talking about on a website about games.

    Good luck playing a shooter or fast paced game vs good players with 144hz.
    I can't win most of the time against AI, let alone real players in a shooter. 144 would look nice, I have no doubt, but most of the games I play, I can't honestly tell the difference between 60fps and 30fps, and I'd much rather have a slow IPS than a fast TN

    Not everyone is a competitive twitch gamer, and extremely few MMOs require that level of reflexes to be "competitive"
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,501
    Neither of those are gaming monitors.

    If you want an actual gaming monitor like mine @ 1440p/144hz it will cost you 600$+ USD
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009769

    That looks like $470 to me.

    It's not what I have.  I have the Asus MG279Q, which is also IPS, and cost $540 each.

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    60 Hz isn't ideal for gaming.  But that's kind of like saying that a Radeon R9 370 or a GeForce GTX 960 isn't ideal for gaming.  Saying it "isn't ideal" isn't at all similar to saying it doesn't work pretty well.

    Higher refresh rates are always better for reasons of latency, but there are diminishing returns.  60 Hz is as close to 30 Hz as it is to a theoretical infinite refresh rate.  I'm of the view that 30 Hz is unacceptable outside of slow paced games, but 60 Hz is fine unless you're into some ultra-competitive pvp game.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    edited March 2016
    Good news 0 dead pixels. Bad news, 4k doesn't display at 60hz using an AMD R9 290x. Reverted back down to 1920x1080 on this display@59hz. Need to do a manual edit for the 4k res since it only shows 30 and 60hz. Good thing I am planning to upgrade in this upcoming GPU generation when the custom coolers start rolling in Q1 2017.
    Surprisingly, 0 dead pixels. The base is flimsy, but a new dual display base will fix that.
    EVERYTHING is in Korean. I had to click and guess on brightness settings. OSG, DCR, and Luminance were in English. It came with a Korean 250V 10A power coord and a 2 prong adapter. It looked really flimsy so I replaced with a US 250V 10A coord that matched the brick on this. Also these come with bricks. Now I have bricks behind my monitors =(. It shipped from Korea in 1 day. That was pretty amazing. Overall, better than I expected and a decent replacement for my 27" 1080p display and 23" 1600x900 display.
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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    That sounds like one of those yay/boo situations. Glad it's mostly working out for you though.

    A lot of the really thin panels are using bricks - I blame it on Samsung and their TVs.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    Update:
    One of the panels died when I mounted it. That one is going back. I figured out how to change languages to English. Also how its setup can create a seam down the middle of the monitor since one side is on a frame and the other side is on the previous frame.
  • 13lake13lake Member UncommonPosts: 719
    What cable and standard are u using it to connect to the graphics card ?

    display port or (if i'm guessing right that it supports it), multiple hdmi cables ?
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    Using a DisplayPprt 1.2 certified cable a hair over 6ft, recommended for 60hz at 2160p. But the gpu, monitor combination has a flickering issue at 60hz at any resolution. 59.97 works fine.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,501
    Cheaper for a reason.

    It's just a question of whether those reasons are acceptable to you.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    edited March 2016
    $170 Asus 27" ips monitors on sale. Also I fixed the monitor seam by reducing to 50hz. Timing issue.
  • SirmatthiasSirmatthias Member UncommonPosts: 562

    Acer GN246HL Black 24" 1ms 144Hz HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD 3D Monitor 350 cd/m2 100,000,000:1

    I bought this on Newegg last year for $189.99 and it has been a joy to use

  • CreasianCreasian Member UncommonPosts: 112
    Cleffy said:
    There are a few benefits to TN panels over IPS when factoring in LED backlighting. There is a lack of bleed in TN panels. The picture quality is similar to entry IPS panels. Ghosting is not an issue with TN panels. TN  panels are a lot cheaper.
    I've never used an IPS panel monitor for a long period of time. So like when I was on a CRT monitor, I don't know what I am missing.
    The AOC 34" ultra wide is also a bit interesting. It is an LG IPS panel. It would be equivalent to a 27" 16:9 monitor in height real-estate. It's also $500 off. But as you can imagine there will be issues with using a 21:9 monitor.

    For about 9 years I used a Sony FW900. The second one finally died last year and I was left with my LG 50 inch plasma 1080p for my pc/gaming needs. I was also in the same boat about TN or IPS and all that jazz on benefits/cons for my gaming but I went ahead and went IPS,

    Specifically, the Acer XB271HU, for just under 800usd shipped.

    Calibrated and all set up, I think i would without a doubt choose this IPS over my FW900 if the CRT was still working in top shape. No dead/stuck pixels, no backlight bleed and the IPS glow isn't a issue once I actually sat back from the monitor. It's sharp, I haven't noticed any ghosting and G-Sync is wonderful along with the colors. White uniformity is also spot on, which can be a issue with this specific 144hz ips panels.

    After using this for a week and then going to a Best Buy and checking out all their gaming TN panels I have never felt better about the decision.

    Monitors CAN be cheap but sometimes finding the right monitor with all the stuff you want isn't.

    Glad your monitor has worked out!
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