Bill's Launch Day Impressions - The Division

System · March 2016

Bill's Launch Day Impressions - The Division

Later this week, Rob Lashley will begin his review in progress for The Division, Ubisoftâ€™s brand new quasi-MMO shooter set in a near future dystopian New York City. Weâ€™ve covered the game a lot during previous betas, and today marks the official launch of Ubiâ€™s first real attempt at a massive online offering. Weâ€™ve got a few thoughts on our first few hours...

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Roin · March 2016

Thank you for the video, Bill.

ElRenmazuo · March 2016

I wish I could change my face accessories because I kind of regret not picking the terminator glasses.

DAS1337 · March 2016

The tired bullet sponge mechanic complaint with ZERO insight as to how you'd fix it. Like I haven't heard this from a thousand different people who also couldn't give a reasonable alternative to increasing difficulty based on group size.

Please don't be like all of the other useless drones that don't have the mental capacity to form an intelligent response.

DAS1337 · March 2016

ElRenmazuo said:

I wish I could change my face accessories because I kind of regret not picking the terminator glasses.

I'm sure they will add the option to go back and customize your appearance again.. for a small fee.

Volgore · March 2016

I watched a stream for a couple of hours and my main conclusion is: this will get boring VERY fast.

This game will go down the same road as Titanfall, Evolve, Destiny etc. did. Extremely hyped with huge money behind it, though falling of the player's radar within just a few month. No PR can make up for light content and shallow, repetitive mechanics.

And stop calling this "MMO" already, just because it has a gear curve. There is NOTHING massive multiplayer about it.
There are literally hundred-thousands of people waiting in lobbies every night to play online chess, yet you wouldn't call it "MMO", right?

gervaise1 · March 2016

Volgore said:

I watched a stream for a couple of hours and my main conclusion is: this will get boring VERY fast.

This game will go down the same road as Titanfall, Evolve, Destiny etc. did. Extremely hyped with huge money behind it, though falling of the player's radar within just a few month. No PR can make up for light content and shallow, repetitive mechanics.

And stop calling this "MMO" already, just because it has a gear curve. There is NOTHING massive multiplayer about it.

There are literally hundred-thousands of people waiting in lobbies every night to play online chess, yet you wouldn't call it "MMO", right?

So a big hit then?

I didn't know Chess had a gear curve! Kidding. The definition of what is and what is not an "mmo" is - as we know - not fixed. Based on the definitions some people spew these days UO wouldn't be an mmo.

What we are seeing are "traditional mmo aspects" appearing in other types of games. Not just "shooters" either - which is what I would call The Division but also a number of strategy games. Does it bother me in any way: absolutely not. We should welcome that (some) games are becoming more "interesting/deep/complex". And - crucially - treat every game for what it is on its own merits.

ElRenmazuo · March 2016

Volgore said:

I watched a stream for a couple of hours and my main conclusion is: this will get boring VERY fast.

This game will go down the same road as Titanfall, Evolve, Destiny etc. did. Extremely hyped with huge money behind it, though falling of the player's radar within just a few month. No PR can make up for light content and shallow, repetitive mechanics.

If Destiny was doing bad they wouldnt be releasing an expansion this year and the sequel wouldnt be coming out next year http://kotaku.com/destiny-expansion-coming-this-year-destiny-2-in-2017-1758579148

Phry · March 2016

ElRenmazuo said:

Volgore said:

I watched a stream for a couple of hours and my main conclusion is: this will get boring VERY fast.

This game will go down the same road as Titanfall, Evolve, Destiny etc. did. Extremely hyped with huge money behind it, though falling of the player's radar within just a few month. No PR can make up for light content and shallow, repetitive mechanics.

If Destiny was doing bad they wouldnt be releasing an expansion this year and the sequel wouldnt be coming out next year http://kotaku.com/destiny-expansion-coming-this-year-destiny-2-in-2017-1758579148

If Destiny is releasing an expansion this year, and has already pegged the launch of the sequel next year, doesn't that kind of imply that Destiny is not doing all that well, after all, the sequel is a replacement, not an addition to the original game.

aligada87 · March 2016

Volgore said:

I watched a stream for a couple of hours and my main conclusion is: this will get boring VERY fast.

This game will go down the same road as Titanfall, Evolve, Destiny etc. did. Extremely hyped with huge money behind it, though falling of the player's radar within just a few month. No PR can make up for light content and shallow, repetitive mechanics.

And stop calling this "MMO" already, just because it has a gear curve. There is NOTHING massive multiplayer about it.
There are literally hundred-thousands of people waiting in lobbies every night to play online chess, yet you wouldn't call it "MMO", right?

I'm sorry to say. Just by you watching a stream of gameplay for hours isn't the same as playing the game. The content may be a light content but they have decided comming out within this yrs. Dlcs actually. As for your comment about an mmo you must be a new generation of breed, probably ranging from ages 18 through early 20s. Anyways this is considered an mmo. It isn't massive as wow servers because you don't see it. But they did have what 6.4 million players in beta. I'd say that's pretty massive. Also doesn't mean you don't see other players in the game doesn't mean they aren't there. They are just in different instances. Just check out the darkzone.

Oh wait you can't you just watch gameplays. Kid do me a favor get a job and stop listening to what social media says. Not all is true. Get a job and go buy it 50 bucks is not expensive.

jusomdude · March 2016

So is the loot at least worth playing awhile for? Or can you get reasonably geared fast too?

Volgore · March 2016

gervaise1 said:

So a big hit then?

I didn't know Chess had a gear curve! Kidding. The definition of what is and what is not an "mmo" is - as we know - not fixed. Based on the definitions some people spew these days UO wouldn't be an mmo.

What we are seeing are "traditional mmo aspects" appearing in other types of games. Not just "shooters" either - which is what I would call The Division but also a number of strategy games. Does it bother me in any way: absolutely not. We should welcome that (some) games are becoming more "interesting/deep/complex". And - crucially - treat every game for what it is on its own merits.

The Division is officially being called an "mmo" because the game director said so in an interview. Yet his reasoning and explanation actually had nothing to do with "massive" multiplayer, but just took on some rpg aspects like gear upgrades, loot and a power curve of your character.
He did not go into the fact that you will mostly play the game in small groups.

Perhaps it is because i'm a grumpy old codger clinging to the better days when massive multiplayer was in fact "massive", but to me "mmo" still means that we have hundreds of players clashing into each other or share the same unphased game lie eg the capitol city.

To me massive multiplayer is not that by server technology theoretically all the players could connect to a game at the same time, while the actual gameplay consists of co-op. Hence my reference to online chess or poker as well.

aligada87 · March 2016

jusomdude said:

So is the loot at least worth playing awhile for? Or can you get reasonably geared fast too?

The loot is pretty nice but gets repeatable but what mmo doesnt. I haven't played one single mmo that isn't repeatable lol. As for content I'd say the content is long enough to last you till next month when new dlcs is released so it isn't bad.

Phry · March 2016

aligada87 said:

Volgore said:

I watched a stream for a couple of hours and my main conclusion is: this will get boring VERY fast.

This game will go down the same road as Titanfall, Evolve, Destiny etc. did. Extremely hyped with huge money behind it, though falling of the player's radar within just a few month. No PR can make up for light content and shallow, repetitive mechanics.

And stop calling this "MMO" already, just because it has a gear curve. There is NOTHING massive multiplayer about it.
There are literally hundred-thousands of people waiting in lobbies every night to play online chess, yet you wouldn't call it "MMO", right?

I'm sorry to say. Just by you watching a stream of gameplay for hours isn't the same as playing the game. The content may be a light content but they have decided comming out within this yrs. Dlcs actually. As for your comment about an mmo you must be a new generation of breed, probably ranging from ages 18 through early 20s. Anyways this is considered an mmo. It isn't massive as wow servers because you don't see it. But they did have what 6.4 million players in beta. I'd say that's pretty massive. Also doesn't mean you don't see other players in the game doesn't mean they aren't there. They are just in different instances. Just check out the darkzone.

Oh wait you can't you just watch gameplays. Kid do me a favor get a job and stop listening to what social media says. Not all is true. Get a job and go buy it 50 bucks is not expensive.

Theres this new thing came out recently, called youtube, lots of gameplay of the Division to watch there.
Whether you like the game or not, its a good place to start if your on the fence about buying the game, or just want to find out more about it.
As for the 50 bucks thing, might want to make that 100 bucks, because if your not getting the season pass, you can't access the events that come with it, course you'd know that if you watched the Youtube gameplay videos, it gets talked about a lot.

aligada87 · March 2016

Volgore said:

gervaise1 said:

So a big hit then?

I didn't know Chess had a gear curve! Kidding. The definition of what is and what is not an "mmo" is - as we know - not fixed. Based on the definitions some people spew these days UO wouldn't be an mmo.

What we are seeing are "traditional mmo aspects" appearing in other types of games. Not just "shooters" either - which is what I would call The Division but also a number of strategy games. Does it bother me in any way: absolutely not. We should welcome that (some) games are becoming more "interesting/deep/complex". And - crucially - treat every game for what it is on its own merits.

The Division is officially being called an "mmo" because the game director said so in an interview. Yet his reasoning and explanation actually had nothing to do with "massive" multiplayer, but just took on some rpg aspects like gear upgrades, loot and a power curve of your character.
He did not go into the fact that you will mostly play the game in small groups.

Perhaps it is because i'm a grumpy old codger clinging to the better days when massive multiplayer was in fact "massive", but to me "mmo" still means that we have hundreds of players clashing into each other or share the same unphased game lie eg the capitol city.

To me massive multiplayer is not that by server technology theoretically all the players could connect to a game at the same time, while the actual gameplay consists of co-op. Hence my reference to online chess or poker as well.

Again if you are as old as you say you are then you would clearly understand it is an mmo. What you thinking eve online, wow?. To be straight-forward there are more then 20 players in 1 dark zone channel how do I know this? Because me and my team plated and tried division beta. My team mate made a comment saying there is no point for us to go all rogue because there would be no 1 to kill. But soon as he said that there was like 16 more players that showed up none rogue lol. I had 4 teams of rogue players on my side when we attacked dz. Trust me there is more then 40 players on that map I'd say atleast 50. Gw2 wvw has atleast got a good 100+ on the pvp map since I don't usually see more then 50 players zeroing 1 area

ElRenmazuo · March 2016

Phry said:

ElRenmazuo said:

Volgore said:

I watched a stream for a couple of hours and my main conclusion is: this will get boring VERY fast.

This game will go down the same road as Titanfall, Evolve, Destiny etc. did. Extremely hyped with huge money behind it, though falling of the player's radar within just a few month. No PR can make up for light content and shallow, repetitive mechanics.

If Destiny was doing bad they wouldnt be releasing an expansion this year and the sequel wouldnt be coming out next year http://kotaku.com/destiny-expansion-coming-this-year-destiny-2-in-2017-1758579148

If Destiny is releasing an expansion this year, and has already pegged the launch of the sequel next year, doesn't that kind of imply that Destiny is not doing all that well, after all, the sequel is a replacement, not an addition to the original game.

Sequels were in the plans from the beginning for the next 10 years of Destiny http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/07/bungie-wants-player-progress-to-carry-over-to-destiny-sequel

Destiny is almost as popular as CoD on consoles, console websites talk about it all the time.

aligada87 · March 2016

Phry said:

aligada87 said:

Volgore said:

I watched a stream for a couple of hours and my main conclusion is: this will get boring VERY fast.

This game will go down the same road as Titanfall, Evolve, Destiny etc. did. Extremely hyped with huge money behind it, though falling of the player's radar within just a few month. No PR can make up for light content and shallow, repetitive mechanics.

And stop calling this "MMO" already, just because it has a gear curve. There is NOTHING massive multiplayer about it.
There are literally hundred-thousands of people waiting in lobbies every night to play online chess, yet you wouldn't call it "MMO", right?

I'm sorry to say. Just by you watching a stream of gameplay for hours isn't the same as playing the game. The content may be a light content but they have decided comming out within this yrs. Dlcs actually. As for your comment about an mmo you must be a new generation of breed, probably ranging from ages 18 through early 20s. Anyways this is considered an mmo. It isn't massive as wow servers because you don't see it. But they did have what 6.4 million players in beta. I'd say that's pretty massive. Also doesn't mean you don't see other players in the game doesn't mean they aren't there. They are just in different instances. Just check out the darkzone.

Oh wait you can't you just watch gameplays. Kid do me a favor get a job and stop listening to what social media says. Not all is true. Get a job and go buy it 50 bucks is not expensive.

Theres this new thing came out recently, called youtube, lots of gameplay of the Division to watch there.
Whether you like the game or not, its a good place to start if your on the fence about buying the game, or just want to find out more about it.
As for the 50 bucks thing, might want to make that 100 bucks, because if your not getting the season pass, you can't access the events that come with it, course you'd know that if you watched the Youtube gameplay videos, it gets talked about a lot.

What's a 100 bucks if you say you as old as u say u are you have a 100 bucks lieing around. And if you base your gameplay on social media I feel sorry for you. That's like you not trying out the food or movies just because one guy said this about a game. But then again I guess that's why the Jones theory works well in my department in marketing. Love preying on people like you lol. Yo your neighbor even got this nice shit you should get it too. Really? Fuck ya if my neighbor got it must be good fuck ya sign me up. Lol. I make a living off you

aligada87 · March 2016

aligada87 said:

Phry said:

aligada87 said:

Volgore said:

I watched a stream for a couple of hours and my main conclusion is: this will get boring VERY fast.

This game will go down the same road as Titanfall, Evolve, Destiny etc. did. Extremely hyped with huge money behind it, though falling of the player's radar within just a few month. No PR can make up for light content and shallow, repetitive mechanics.

And stop calling this "MMO" already, just because it has a gear curve. There is NOTHING massive multiplayer about it.
There are literally hundred-thousands of people waiting in lobbies every night to play online chess, yet you wouldn't call it "MMO", right?

I'm sorry to say. Just by you watching a stream of gameplay for hours isn't the same as playing the game. The content may be a light content but they have decided comming out within this yrs. Dlcs actually. As for your comment about an mmo you must be a new generation of breed, probably ranging from ages 18 through early 20s. Anyways this is considered an mmo. It isn't massive as wow servers because you don't see it. But they did have what 6.4 million players in beta. I'd say that's pretty massive. Also doesn't mean you don't see other players in the game doesn't mean they aren't there. They are just in different instances. Just check out the darkzone.

Oh wait you can't you just watch gameplays. Kid do me a favor get a job and stop listening to what social media says. Not all is true. Get a job and go buy it 50 bucks is not expensive.

Theres this new thing came out recently, called youtube, lots of gameplay of the Division to watch there.
Whether you like the game or not, its a good place to start if your on the fence about buying the game, or just want to find out more about it.
As for the 50 bucks thing, might want to make that 100 bucks, because if your not getting the season pass, you can't access the events that come with it, course you'd know that if you watched the Youtube gameplay videos, it gets talked about a lot.

What's a 100 bucks if you say you as old as u say u are you have a 100 bucks lieing around. And if you base your gameplay on social media I feel sorry for you. That's like you not trying out the food or movies just because one guy said this about a game. But then again I guess that's why the Jones theory works well in my department in marketing. Love preying on people like you lol. Yo your neighbor even got this nice shit you should get it too. Really? Fuck ya if my neighbor got it must be good fuck ya sign me up. Lol. I make a living off you

Also just like to add I'm not a fan Boy but the way you made that comment by this is not an mmo just made you look like a fool because if you followed youtube like you say u do. You would know there was 6.4 mill players who played the game actively in beta. Is there 6.4 now no 1 knows wait 1 month and then talk your shit

Volgore · March 2016

aligada87 said:

You would know there was 6.4 mill players who played the game actively in beta. Is there 6.4 now no 1 knows wait 1 month and then talk your shit

Even if the beta had a billion players, still the game is mostly co-op gameplay.
Read and comprehend my reference to online chess or online poker. Millions technically connect to the servers, yet your actual gameplay experience is limited to meet and play along with only a couple of players, which to me is not massive.

Volgore · March 2016

aligada87 said:

To be straight-forward there are more then 20 players in 1 dark zone channel how do I know this? Because me and my team plated and tried division beta.

That's both impressive.

Bloodaxes · March 2016

Mount & Blade has servers with 200 people in a single map but I wouldn't call it an mmo.

CrazKanuk · March 2016

Volgore said:

gervaise1 said:

So a big hit then?

I didn't know Chess had a gear curve! Kidding. The definition of what is and what is not an "mmo" is - as we know - not fixed. Based on the definitions some people spew these days UO wouldn't be an mmo.

What we are seeing are "traditional mmo aspects" appearing in other types of games. Not just "shooters" either - which is what I would call The Division but also a number of strategy games. Does it bother me in any way: absolutely not. We should welcome that (some) games are becoming more "interesting/deep/complex". And - crucially - treat every game for what it is on its own merits.

The Division is officially being called an "mmo" because the game director said so in an interview. Yet his reasoning and explanation actually had nothing to do with "massive" multiplayer, but just took on some rpg aspects like gear upgrades, loot and a power curve of your character.
He did not go into the fact that you will mostly play the game in small groups.

Perhaps it is because i'm a grumpy old codger clinging to the better days when massive multiplayer was in fact "massive", but to me "mmo" still means that we have hundreds of players clashing into each other or share the same unphased game lie eg the capitol city.

To me massive multiplayer is not that by server technology theoretically all the players could connect to a game at the same time, while the actual gameplay consists of co-op. Hence my reference to online chess or poker as well.

My first half hour on launch day consisted of attempting to interact with the environment in a safe area where others were so I could get a quest..... sounds like an MMO to me!!!

BillMurphy · March 2016

DAS1337 said:

The tired bullet sponge mechanic complaint with ZERO insight as to how you'd fix it. Like I haven't heard this from a thousand different people who also couldn't give a reasonable alternative to increasing difficulty based on group size.

Please don't be like all of the other useless drones that don't have the mental capacity to form an intelligent response.

Ok. Solution: make them not bullet-spongey.

Roin · March 2016

BillMurphy said:

DAS1337 said:

The tired bullet sponge mechanic complaint with ZERO insight as to how you'd fix it. Like I haven't heard this from a thousand different people who also couldn't give a reasonable alternative to increasing difficulty based on group size.

Please don't be like all of the other useless drones that don't have the mental capacity to form an intelligent response.

Ok. Solution: make them not bullet-spongey.

Wouldn't that remove all the difficulty from the game? Games brag a lot about their AI's. Still though I haven't seen an AI yet, that didn't require the developers help. Giving them more HP, more Defense, more Attack, etc etc then a player as they can't out think them currently.

rodarin · March 2016

CrazKanuk said:

My first half hour on launch day consisted of attempting to interact with the environment in a safe area where others were so I could get a quest..... sounds like an MMO to me!!!

Until there is a 'worst launch ever' post then its not an MMO

k61977 · March 2016

Don't really have a problem with the game itself but do have a problem with games launching with very little content and then trying to sell me DLC's because there was little content to start with. If you consider it an MMO it should at least have a min of about 6 months content at launch or IMO it is a failure just trying to get money.

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