Thanks all for the great discussion and suggestions.
In the end I decided to go for a new motherboad B150M Mortar and i5 6500, since I dont have SATA3 now and would like to improve the HDD performance too. I understand the graphics card will be a bottleneck, but hopefully soon Ill bring in something more powerful.
Thanks all for the great discussion and suggestions.
In the end I decided to go for a new motherboad B150M Mortar and i5 6500, since I dont have SATA3 now and would like to improve the HDD performance too. I understand the graphics card will be a bottleneck, but hopefully soon Ill bring in something more powerful.
Asking for help, then announcing that you've bought something random that wasn't even on the radar is really doing it wrong. If you can still cancel your order, you should.
Your new motherboard will need DDR4 memory, not DDR3. So you're going to have to replace your memory, too.
A new motherboard probably also means that your old OS license isn't valid. There are exceptions, but if you want to do it legally, you're probably looking at $100 for a new license.
The difference between SATA 2 and SATA 3 is completely irrelevant to hard drives. Your hard drive will perform the same as before. Only SSDs that can use the extra bandwidth benefit.
And then you pay all that money to upgrade everything and don't get as big of an upgrade as you could have. For only a little extra money, you could have had a Core i5-6600 rather than a 6500. If you don't need the full upgrade to a 6600, then you could have saved a ton of money by just dropping a Core i5-3570 into your old computer without replacing the motherboard, memory, or OS. The Core i5-6500 is about as close in performance to a 6600 as to a 3570.
Thanks all for the great discussion and suggestions.
In the end I decided to go for a new motherboad B150M Mortar and i5 6500, since I dont have SATA3 now and would like to improve the HDD performance too. I understand the graphics card will be a bottleneck, but hopefully soon Ill bring in something more powerful.
Asking for help, then announcing that you've bought something random that wasn't even on the radar is really doing it wrong. If you can still cancel your order, you should.
Your new motherboard will need DDR4 memory, not DDR3. So you're going to have to replace your memory, too.
A new motherboard probably also means that your old OS license isn't valid. There are exceptions, but if you want to do it legally, you're probably looking at $100 for a new license.
The difference between SATA 2 and SATA 3 is completely irrelevant to hard drives. Your hard drive will perform the same as before. Only SSDs that can use the extra bandwidth benefit.
And then you pay all that money to upgrade everything and don't get as big of an upgrade as you could have. For only a little extra money, you could have had a Core i5-6600 rather than a 6500. If you don't need the full upgrade to a 6600, then you could have saved a ton of money by just dropping a Core i5-3570 into your old computer without replacing the motherboard, memory, or OS. The Core i5-6500 is about as close in performance to a 6600 as to a 3570.
Well I have been looking at all the suggestions and been googling like crazy these last couple of days. The one I ended up with was not random - it was suggested in the fifth post of the discussion.
I have SSD now and just only now found out that its not running its full potential. I will check i6600, its about 20 EUR more expensive as far as I looked. Still possible to change the order of course. As to the DDR4, yeah.. Thats something extra, thats true.
Windows licensing - didn't know that I cannot change parts, wow
Thanks all for the great discussion and suggestions.
In the end I decided to go for a new motherboad B150M Mortar and i5 6500, since I dont have SATA3 now and would like to improve the HDD performance too. I understand the graphics card will be a bottleneck, but hopefully soon Ill bring in something more powerful.
Asking for help, then announcing that you've bought something random that wasn't even on the radar is really doing it wrong. If you can still cancel your order, you should.
Your new motherboard will need DDR4 memory, not DDR3. So you're going to have to replace your memory, too.
A new motherboard probably also means that your old OS license isn't valid. There are exceptions, but if you want to do it legally, you're probably looking at $100 for a new license.
The difference between SATA 2 and SATA 3 is completely irrelevant to hard drives. Your hard drive will perform the same as before. Only SSDs that can use the extra bandwidth benefit.
And then you pay all that money to upgrade everything and don't get as big of an upgrade as you could have. For only a little extra money, you could have had a Core i5-6600 rather than a 6500. If you don't need the full upgrade to a 6600, then you could have saved a ton of money by just dropping a Core i5-3570 into your old computer without replacing the motherboard, memory, or OS. The Core i5-6500 is about as close in performance to a 6600 as to a 3570.
Well I have been looking at all the suggestions and been googling like crazy these last couple of days. The one I ended up with was not random - it was suggested in the fifth post of the discussion.
I have SSD now and just only now found out that its not running its full potential. I will check i6600, its about 20 EUR more expensive as far as I looked. Still possible to change the order of course. As to the DDR4, yeah.. Thats something extra, thats true.
Windows licensing - didn't know that I cannot change parts, wow
If you have an OEM license, then it's tied to the motherboard. You can replace other parts without needing a new license, but not the motherboard, as Microsoft regards switching motherboards as being a new computer. People rarely replace just the motherboard; usually if you replace the motherboard, you're going to replace just about everything else, too.
If you bought a full license (which is pretty rare), then you can move it from one computer to another, so replacing the motherboard is fine. If you built your computer yourself and bought a license when you built it, it's not technically legal to replace the motherboard, but often you can do it and Microsoft will let you. You may have to call them, but Internet lore says they usually let it go through. If you bought a prebuilt and want to reuse the license elsewhere, it's harder to get that activated and Microsoft might well refuse.
Even on an SSD, the difference between SATA 2 and SATA3 barely matters. What people don't realize is that 100 MB/s is blazing fast for storage, if you get that as real-world performance. While SATA 2 caps you at 300 MB/s and SATA 3 at 600 MB/s, you don't need anywhere near 300 MB/s to be plenty fast for gaming use, or most other consumer uses.
The reason you get an SSD is that on a hard drive, if you do lots of random accesses, you might chug along at 1 MB/s. That's what makes hard drives painful. An SSD can often get small random accesses well into the tens of MB/s, and into the hundreds of MB/s on easier access patterns, which is plenty fast.
You will pretty much end up with a new computer once you get the gpu. Still your choice was good. The cpu and mobo should last much longer than the gpu.
The thing is that you might not see much if any performance gains. Though you can let us know if you did if you buy new CPU.
On that matter be sure to get motherboard that supports OCing any Skylake CPU as you will be able to to OC that i5-6400 or i5-6500 to whatever it can go (just like k version).
Be sure to pick up at least 2666MHz RAM.
And your OS is most likely OEM and that means that you can change any part except motherboard, when you change motherboard, unless you are very lucky, you will need new OS license too as MS sees it as "new computer".
SATA2 over SATA3 will matter only in speed of transfering large files. Most of real world workload depends on random access speed which is way below limit of SATA2.
I'm running an AMD 8350 CPU, 7970 GPU, 16gb ram, Windows on SSD, game on a regular hard drive.
BDO plays totally fine no matter where I am. Zero lag even when the screen is filled with characters in a town. No detectable difference between towns and open spaces, no detectable hitching.
I'm running the AMD 8370e. A quad core with a good per thread performance will do just fine, but a hyper-threaded dual core is going to have bottlenecks.
Well I have been looking at all the suggestions and been googling like crazy these last couple of days. The one I ended up with was not random - it was suggested in the fifth post of the discussion.
I have SSD now and just only now found out that its not running its full potential. I will check i6600, its about 20 EUR more expensive as far as I looked. Still possible to change the order of course. As to the DDR4, yeah.. Thats something extra, thats true.
Windows licensing - didn't know that I cannot change parts, wow
You can re-activate your Windows via phone line. You can claim your computer had a failure and you had to replace the entire platform. Should be very much fine to do so, Microsoft is very loose in abidance of their licence terms for home users.
If not, save that 20 EUR you would be wasting on i5-6600, since you won't get any better performance of it, and use it towards purchase of retail version of Win10, if the re-activation won't work.
Regardless, re-activation will very likely be no problem.
Thanks all for the great discussion and suggestions.
In the end I decided to go for a new motherboad B150M Mortar and i5 6500, since I dont have SATA3 now and would like to improve the HDD performance too. I understand the graphics card will be a bottleneck, but hopefully soon Ill bring in something more powerful.
Asking for help, then announcing that you've bought something random that wasn't even on the radar is really doing it wrong. If you can still cancel your order, you should.
Your new motherboard will need DDR4 memory, not DDR3. So you're going to have to replace your memory, too.
A new motherboard probably also means that your old OS license isn't valid. There are exceptions, but if you want to do it legally, you're probably looking at $100 for a new license.
The difference between SATA 2 and SATA 3 is completely irrelevant to hard drives. Your hard drive will perform the same as before. Only SSDs that can use the extra bandwidth benefit.
And then you pay all that money to upgrade everything and don't get as big of an upgrade as you could have. For only a little extra money, you could have had a Core i5-6600 rather than a 6500. If you don't need the full upgrade to a 6600, then you could have saved a ton of money by just dropping a Core i5-3570 into your old computer without replacing the motherboard, memory, or OS. The Core i5-6500 is about as close in performance to a 6600 as to a 3570.
Well I have been looking at all the suggestions and been googling like crazy these last couple of days. The one I ended up with was not random - it was suggested in the fifth post of the discussion.
I'm so sorry - you fell for the troll who loves to post crappy builds just to get everyone to argue with him.
A more powerful CPU won't bring any performance improvements. A more powerful engine won't make a car faster.
Same bullshit.
Right, at least we got that sorted - we know who can back up their claims with tests and who just...talks...
This, I think, should clarify things for the original poster. Gdemami is arguing that a CPU at one clock speed isn't any slower than exactly the same chip at a higher clock speed. That, after all, is the difference between a Core i5-6500 and a Core i5-6600. You don't have to know all that much about computers to recognize which side is trying to mislead you.
This, I think, should clarify things for the original poster. Gdemami is arguing that a CPU at one clock speed isn't any slower than exactly the same chip at a higher clock speed. That, after all, is the difference between a Core i5-6500 and a Core i5-6600. You don't have to know all that much about computers to recognize which side is trying to mislead you.
And still no tests that would support any of what you say...like always :chuffed:
I wonder if you ever backed anything you said...can't say I recall a single case.Probably a reason why you are wrong so often...
You should be ok. People with a tad less CPU and same GPU get about 35-40 (not all maxed). Now getting allot people or all those PARKED horses might slow you down
Well I ended up with i6600, the game is running silky smooth. Fps in town jumped from 20 to 50 at the lowest settings, at higher settings it hovers at 20-25. Still very good. Thanks all for fruitful discussion!
One thing I regret, but budget didn't let me, is to have DDR4 2666 motherboard. I have 2133, but thats life :-)
Well I ended up with i6600, the game is running silky smooth. Fps in town jumped from 20 to 50 at the lowest settings, at higher settings it hovers at 20-25. Still very good. Thanks all for fruitful discussion!
One thing I regret, but budget didn't let me, is to have DDR4 2666 motherboard. I have 2133, but thats life :-)
Welcomed. Memory speed makes no difference, no worries.
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Not that I disagree with your recommendation, just saying.
In the end I decided to go for a new motherboad B150M Mortar and i5 6500, since I dont have SATA3 now and would like to improve the HDD performance too. I understand the graphics card will be a bottleneck, but hopefully soon Ill bring in something more powerful.
Your new motherboard will need DDR4 memory, not DDR3. So you're going to have to replace your memory, too.
A new motherboard probably also means that your old OS license isn't valid. There are exceptions, but if you want to do it legally, you're probably looking at $100 for a new license.
The difference between SATA 2 and SATA 3 is completely irrelevant to hard drives. Your hard drive will perform the same as before. Only SSDs that can use the extra bandwidth benefit.
And then you pay all that money to upgrade everything and don't get as big of an upgrade as you could have. For only a little extra money, you could have had a Core i5-6600 rather than a 6500. If you don't need the full upgrade to a 6600, then you could have saved a ton of money by just dropping a Core i5-3570 into your old computer without replacing the motherboard, memory, or OS. The Core i5-6500 is about as close in performance to a 6600 as to a 3570.
I have SSD now and just only now found out that its not running its full potential. I will check i6600, its about 20 EUR more expensive as far as I looked. Still possible to change the order of course. As to the DDR4, yeah.. Thats something extra, thats true.
Windows licensing - didn't know that I cannot change parts, wow
If you bought a full license (which is pretty rare), then you can move it from one computer to another, so replacing the motherboard is fine. If you built your computer yourself and bought a license when you built it, it's not technically legal to replace the motherboard, but often you can do it and Microsoft will let you. You may have to call them, but Internet lore says they usually let it go through. If you bought a prebuilt and want to reuse the license elsewhere, it's harder to get that activated and Microsoft might well refuse.
Even on an SSD, the difference between SATA 2 and SATA3 barely matters. What people don't realize is that 100 MB/s is blazing fast for storage, if you get that as real-world performance. While SATA 2 caps you at 300 MB/s and SATA 3 at 600 MB/s, you don't need anywhere near 300 MB/s to be plenty fast for gaming use, or most other consumer uses.
The reason you get an SSD is that on a hard drive, if you do lots of random accesses, you might chug along at 1 MB/s. That's what makes hard drives painful. An SSD can often get small random accesses well into the tens of MB/s, and into the hundreds of MB/s on easier access patterns, which is plenty fast.
On that matter be sure to get motherboard that supports OCing any Skylake CPU as you will be able to to OC that i5-6400 or i5-6500 to whatever it can go (just like k version).
Be sure to pick up at least 2666MHz RAM.
And your OS is most likely OEM and that means that you can change any part except motherboard, when you change motherboard, unless you are very lucky, you will need new OS license too as MS sees it as "new computer".
SATA2 over SATA3 will matter only in speed of transfering large files. Most of real world workload depends on random access speed which is way below limit of SATA2.
BDO plays totally fine no matter where I am. Zero lag even when the screen is filled with characters in a town. No detectable difference between towns and open spaces, no detectable hitching.
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If not, save that 20 EUR you would be wasting on i5-6600, since you won't get any better performance of it, and use it towards purchase of retail version of Win10, if the re-activation won't work.
Regardless, re-activation will very likely be no problem.
Feel free to provide any relevant data to rebute that statement.
And no, "So I've made a test..." does not count.
I hope it works out for you.
I wonder if you ever backed anything you said...can't say I recall a single case.Probably a reason why you are wrong so often...
One thing I regret, but budget didn't let me, is to have DDR4 2666 motherboard. I have 2133, but thats life :-)
The ones misleading are those posting odd benchmarks...or just making claims with no backup at all.
The thing that was discussed was you misleading people. In pretty much everything.