I really doubt that those ppl who says here that combat in this game is the worst actually played it.... or are I wonder what are they expecting of the combat? I just think, that for some weird reason, ppl just hate this game even thou they have hardly played it... you think combat is shit in this game ? then take sword and go fight outside in real world becouse you are waiting for some kind of miracle, that will never happen... for those who are wondering about trying this game, just go for it, combat is fast, action, great graphic, combos are deep if you take time to understand them and imho this is best mmo combat since tera
Its called action combat, I hate it, period. Not going to sugarcoat it to please you all circle jerking about it. To say I didn t play it enough or I m expecting too much is just a stupid comment. The combat sucks ass to me period.
My definition of Sandbox does not agree with the OP's. Because true sandboxes seem so alien to popular MMOs, I can see why a decent hybrid may be considered a sandbox.
I use the image of a sanbox when I think of what a true sandbox game would be like.
Eve, Mortal, and UO all come to mind.
I haven't tried Black Desert, yet or maybe not at all. All the combat videos seems really spammy to me: lots of flash and repition to little effect.
I've only played my Warrior until level 27, but I can say for sure the combat is extremely rewarding. I'm slightly underleveled for my combat area (since I spent quite a lot of time exploring nodes/doing gathering quests, farming contribution points but not a lot of exp) and so I find myself really having to juggle my skill usage with WP conservation while timing that Guard at the perfect moment so I don't get smacked in the face by angry mobs at midnight.
Very fun to also rely on combinations of keys rather than your usual skill tray combat (except for the few skills that don't have a hotkey combination and must be put on your skill tray.)
It would be a lot better as a sandbox if they didn't omit a player run economy and player trade. That's kind of like.. one of the pillars of a sandbox I think. I'm largely a solo player and even I know this.
Still a great game though. I'm enjoying it quite a bit, very immersive. Many oooh ahhh moments. I like the fact that I have to jump on my horse and ride into the next city to pick up my potatos because I don't want to get rid of my slave there. Honestly. I dislike fast travel. It's a little thing but it really takes away from that immersion for me.
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It's a Sandpark mmo, combination of themepark and sandbox.
Something many here have been waiting for since a long time.
/agree
Very funny you too. Go play a Single player game. You get everything you have in BDO in that Single Player game. Come to think of it Dragon Age is very close to BDO.
LacedOpium said: Narrow minded perception is more accurately reflected in a player with an inability to exercise flexibility and adjust to prevailing circumstances, not the player who accepts a situation for what it is and overcomes any "perceived" adversity. Simply put, there is nothing preventing a player from getting their own resources instead of using others to do that work for them. Just because you've been spoiled to have others do for you doesn't mean that you have lost all ability to do for yourself. And it certainly should not mean that you find it such an inconvenience that you deem the game unplayable. Those who do not adjust to prevailing circumstances are doomed to perish.
Yup, you are good example of narrow minded thinking...
A ) Some people do not like crafting and they work with the guild where where couple crafters with united effort supply the guild.
B ) But you have to craft everything yourself!
LacedOpium said: Narrow minded perception is more accurately reflected in a player with an inability to exercise flexibility and adjust to prevailing circumstances, not the player who accepts a situation for what it is and overcomes any "perceived" adversity. Simply put, there is nothing preventing a player from getting their own resources instead of using others to do that work for them. Just because you've been spoiled to have others do for you doesn't mean that you have lost all ability to do for yourself. And it certainly should not mean that you find it such an inconvenience that you deem the game unplayable. Those who do not adjust to prevailing circumstances are doomed to perish.
Yup, you are good example of narrow minded thinking...
A ) Some people do not like crafting and they work with the guild where where couple crafters with united effort supply the guild.
B ) But you have to craft everything yourself!
Closed minds, like a broken record...
It's cool. Whatever you say, partner. I'm happy and having a blast in BDO with friends. Just popped in for a second while I'm on a long trade run but diving back in as soon as I arrive. Finally a game that I can lose myself in. I can honestly say that it is everything I've ever wanted in an MMORPG. I Hope you find that MMORPG that satisfies you like BDO satisfies me.
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Lol @ people saying BDO is a sandbox. It's as on rails as any game I've played in the last decade...wtf are people even talking about? The combat is absolutely atrocious. It's my least favorite combat in any MMO I've ever played, which is ultimately the deal breaker for me. While I love Tera combat and somewhat like B&S combat, BDO takes putting "Street Fighter" or "Mortal Kombat" into an MMO to a whole new level. Tedious and too tryhard to be different.
Other than the abhorrent combat, the game seems to have some potentially interesting systems in it, sadly I'll never get to see them because the combat is so god awful. Nobody posting in this forum will be playing in 3 months, don't pretend like you will. See you at the next big thing.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Lol @ people saying BDO is a sandbox. It's as on rails as any game I've played in the last decade...wtf are people even talking about? The combat is absolutely atrocious. It's my least favorite combat in any MMO I've ever played, which is ultimately the deal breaker for me. While I love Tera combat and somewhat like B&S combat, BDO takes putting "Street Fighter" or "Mortal Kombat" into an MMO to a whole new level. Tedious and too tryhard to be different.
Other than the abhorrent combat, the game seems to have some potentially interesting systems in it, sadly I'll never get to see them because the combat is so god awful. Nobody posting in this forum will be playing in 3 months, don't pretend like you will. See you at the next big thing.
You must not play many MMOs... but to each their own i suppose. Don't even believe you even purchased the game.
I don't like the game you like so I haven't played many MMOs. K. You are correct though, I didn't purchase the game. I uninstalled on day 2 of my 7 day guest pass. Toodles!
Lol @ people saying BDO is a sandbox. It's as on rails as any game I've played in the last decade...wtf are people even talking about? The combat is absolutely atrocious. It's my least favorite combat in any MMO I've ever played, which is ultimately the deal breaker for me. While I love Tera combat and somewhat like B&S combat, BDO takes putting "Street Fighter" or "Mortal Kombat" into an MMO to a whole new level. Tedious and too tryhard to be different.
Other than the abhorrent combat, the game seems to have some potentially interesting systems in it, sadly I'll never get to see them because the combat is so god awful. Nobody posting in this forum will be playing in 3 months, don't pretend like you will. See you at the next big thing.
You must not play many MMOs... but to each their own i suppose. Don't even believe you even purchased the game.
I don't like the game you like so I haven't played many MMOs. K. You are correct though, I didn't purchase the game. I uninstalled on day 2 of my 7 day guest pass. Toodles!
I would say he means that if you think the combat in BDO is bad you haven't played many mmos, and I would agree. The combat in BDO is good even compared to many single player games, let alone mmos (many of which are borefest tab-targeters).
Lol @ people saying BDO is a sandbox. It's as on rails as any game I've played in the last decade...wtf are people even talking about? The combat is absolutely atrocious. It's my least favorite combat in any MMO I've ever played, which is ultimately the deal breaker for me. While I love Tera combat and somewhat like B&S combat, BDO takes putting "Street Fighter" or "Mortal Kombat" into an MMO to a whole new level. Tedious and too tryhard to be different.
Other than the abhorrent combat, the game seems to have some potentially interesting systems in it, sadly I'll never get to see them because the combat is so god awful. Nobody posting in this forum will be playing in 3 months, don't pretend like you will. See you at the next big thing.
You must not play many MMOs... but to each their own i suppose. Don't even believe you even purchased the game.
I don't like the game you like so I haven't played many MMOs. K. You are correct though, I didn't purchase the game. I uninstalled on day 2 of my 7 day guest pass. Toodles!
I would say he means that if you think the combat in BDO is bad you haven't played many mmos, and I would agree. The combat in BDO is good even compared to many single player games, let alone mmos (many of which are borefest tab-targeters).
Really? How is it possible to even say that? Look, I think the combat in BDO is fun too. But he's totally allowed to not like it? How is it even remotely possible to draw the conclusion that because he doesn't like BDOs combat, he clearly hasn't played many MMOs? That's plain silly, come on. Different strokes for different folks.
It was obviously designed around console specs. It looks horrid compared to games like dying light, or skyrim with graphic mods. If it only needs 1gb of VRam, that means the textures are garbage.
Lol @ people saying BDO is a sandbox. It's as on rails as any game I've played in the last decade...wtf are people even talking about? The combat is absolutely atrocious. It's my least favorite combat in any MMO I've ever played, which is ultimately the deal breaker for me. While I love Tera combat and somewhat like B&S combat, BDO takes putting "Street Fighter" or "Mortal Kombat" into an MMO to a whole new level. Tedious and too tryhard to be different.
Other than the abhorrent combat, the game seems to have some potentially interesting systems in it, sadly I'll never get to see them because the combat is so god awful. Nobody posting in this forum will be playing in 3 months, don't pretend like you will. See you at the next big thing.
You must not play many MMOs... but to each their own i suppose. Don't even believe you even purchased the game.
I don't like the game you like so I haven't played many MMOs. K. You are correct though, I didn't purchase the game. I uninstalled on day 2 of my 7 day guest pass. Toodles!
I would say he means that if you think the combat in BDO is bad you haven't played many mmos, and I would agree. The combat in BDO is good even compared to many single player games, let alone mmos (many of which are borefest tab-targeters).
Really? How is it possible to even say that? Look, I think the combat in BDO is fun too. But he's totally allowed to not like it? How is it even remotely possible to draw the conclusion that because he doesn't like BDOs combat, he clearly hasn't played many MMOs? That's plain silly, come on. Different strokes for different folks.
He is either ignorant or trolling, its plain silly if you don't recognize that.
It was obviously designed around console specs. It looks horrid compared to games like dying light, or skyrim with graphic mods. If it only needs 1gb of VRam, that means the textures are garbage.
It has alot more to deal with than a single player game. To get an MMO running like the games you mentioned the server tech would have to be way more advanced than it is today and everyone to have superfast cable internet. The use of 1gb vram would be at lowest setting allowing more people to play.
Not that definitions matters really, but I'm not sure how a game can be a sandbox when you can't even trade between players except for some predefined items and you have predefined classes that can only wield this and that weapon. The trade part is actually the reason why my wife and I are not playing it.
Only proper sandbox out there right now is probably EVE.
While you may be right, it's kind of dumb to have a sub-genre consist of exactly 1 game, don't you think?
"Sandbox" is a useful term which, for MMOs, describes an MMO that isn't "on rails"- i.e. your leveling-up isn't basically limited to doing quests and your endgame isn't limited to basically running dungeons.
I use the term "Sandboxy" to describe Black Desert just to avoid this kind of argument, but really it would be easier to just call it a Sandbox.
And you can really go too far with the idea of "Sandbox". I can't fly around in space in a giant yellow submarine- I could say that EVE isn't letting me do whatever I want so it's not a sandbox.
It all depends on what you consider acceptable limitations for a sandbox.
Negative.....a Sandbox, or the term refers to exactly that....the effect on the 'play area' you had as a kid in your sandbox....and the worlds you created. That being said, EVE is the only true Sandbox that is out atm, there are no real limitations to what you can do within this environment, and the community aspects, from the economy to planning out and executing corporate espionage years in the making are unparalleled.
The only other sandbox games to have come out within the fantasy setting since UO, are Mortal, and Darkfall, and Dark and Light (to an extent).
Here's the thing, no one has put out a successful true Sandbox in a fantasy setting, you have attempts, and they fail. The reason being, a true sandbox is a niche market....people don't really want the longevity the end game of these types have provided.......so, you have these Sandparks, uh Themebox....hmmmm, hybrid is just fine, rofl!
Now Hybrids have been decently successful, and until someone finds the right mixture to keep folks chomping at the bit for the long haul, that's what we are going to get. Hybrids, with aspects of both types of category, so in reality there are 3 types
(ramble) On that note, some of the better hybrids IMO have been VG, Dark and Light (well most potential to have been a real sanbox in a fantasy setting), AION, ArcheAge (other then it being SO p2w, prolly the best hybrid of all time thus far) DAoC.
Some (hopefully) true sandboxes in a fantasy setting to keep on your radar - Utheros, CoE, Trials of Ascension, Shroud of The Avatar, and this gem https://www.revivalgame.com/, I am still on the fence about both Darkfall projects, but still should be mentioned. I am sorry HH that I rambled on in my response to your take on the category, o/
Here's the thing, no one has put out a successful true Sandbox in a fantasy setting, you have attempts, and they fail. The reason being, a true sandbox is a niche market....people don't really want the longevity the end game of these types have provided.......so, you have these Sandparks, uh Themebox....hmmmm, hybrid is just fine, rofl!
I would put a lot of money down on betting that the major reason those sandbox games failed (exception be UO which died of natural causes[old age]) is the PVP. Many people, myself included, do not enjoy losing time spent on pointless pvp or ganking.
Lol @ people saying BDO is a sandbox. It's as on rails as any game I've played in the last decade...wtf are people even talking about? The combat is absolutely atrocious. It's my least favorite combat in any MMO I've ever played, which is ultimately the deal breaker for me. While I love Tera combat and somewhat like B&S combat, BDO takes putting "Street Fighter" or "Mortal Kombat" into an MMO to a whole new level. Tedious and too tryhard to be different.
Other than the abhorrent combat, the game seems to have some potentially interesting systems in it, sadly I'll never get to see them because the combat is so god awful. Nobody posting in this forum will be playing in 3 months, don't pretend like you will. See you at the next big thing.
You must not play many MMOs... but to each their own i suppose. Don't even believe you even purchased the game.
I don't like the game you like so I haven't played many MMOs. K. You are correct though, I didn't purchase the game. I uninstalled on day 2 of my 7 day guest pass. Toodles!
I would say he means that if you think the combat in BDO is bad you haven't played many mmos, and I would agree. The combat in BDO is good even compared to many single player games, let alone mmos (many of which are borefest tab-targeters).
Really? How is it possible to even say that? Look, I think the combat in BDO is fun too. But he's totally allowed to not like it? How is it even remotely possible to draw the conclusion that because he doesn't like BDOs combat, he clearly hasn't played many MMOs? That's plain silly, come on. Different strokes for different folks.
Exactly what I ve been trying to say forever. They seem to think that the combat isn t possibly not liked and if it isn t liked you have a problem or something, lol.
If the combat sucks for someone, the rest of the game isn t going to matter.
Really? How is it possible to even say that? Look, I think the combat in BDO is fun too. But he's totally allowed to not like it? How is it even remotely possible to draw the conclusion that because he doesn't like BDOs combat, he clearly hasn't played many MMOs? That's plain silly, come on. Different strokes for different folks.
There's a big difference between saying "I don't like the combat" and "It's the worse combat ever". In the later, it shows that the poster never played a MMORPG with really uttterly bad combat.
Utterly bad combat is subjective. What you think is bad, others might not. Get over yourself, you re not always right.
Here's the thing, no one has put out a successful true Sandbox in a fantasy setting, you have attempts, and they fail. The reason being, a true sandbox is a niche market....people don't really want the longevity the end game of these types have provided.......so, you have these Sandparks, uh Themebox....hmmmm, hybrid is just fine, rofl!
I would put a lot of money down on betting that the major reason those sandbox games failed (exception be UO which died of natural causes[old age]) is the PVP. Many people, myself included, do not enjoy losing time spent on pointless pvp or ganking.
Ok, I can agree your opinion on this falls into my broad statement as to part of why. I would like to point out, that that's the issue here. There's a saying in EVE, never leave the hangar with something you weren't all ready willing to lose. (Or something to that effect)
So my statement stands, none have found the right mix to make it a true sandbox, that is able to keep all player types interested, within a fantasy setting.
Ok, so to the OP.....and the comments that stayed on topic, heh
For action combat, this game is pretty good, and you don't really have a lot of competition here, AoC really being the first 'action' combat MMO ( I know there was tab targeting, but say what you will about FunCom, this combat system was revolutionary, and at least a catalyst to move to true action combat) the few after failed to really sway folks enough to make it their standard. I will also add to the animations in the same response, for an action combat system, the animations are pretty damn good, especially when you are talking large GvG PvP, yes you need a beast to run all this in high graphics, but yeah....kudos for sure
Ok, best looking open world......well, again, this isn't really an open world. Openish? Graphically, this game is amazing though, probably some of the best graphics in a fantasy hybrid MMO out to date.
Innovative systems, I do like SOME of their take on the systems they have implemented, BUT, they are far from finished, and if this is finished, FAIL.....I mean, trade packs, and you can't defend against real 'bandits' or you can't steal packs, wtf (at this point it is an easy button) crafting that doesn't really mean a f@$^, bah....plz fix ...... Karma system, OMG too strict for it to make the GvG, and or 'open world' PvP enticing for any real longevity. The market....pls, this is not a market, and the economy is static with some 'tier' type difficulty? Best way I can think to describe it atm......All in all, I get why they did some of the things they did with these systems, fighting ganking, and gold sellers, and monopolizing on certain high end gear\loot what not, but ATM they all seem incomplete, or at least I hope they are incomplete =P
As far as your other 'titles' plz see my last response , EQ is NOT a sandbox in any way shape or form ( my first MMO, and I played for 6 + years from 3 months after release on) I would like more choices with the combat, IE, you can't be best PVP combat in a game unless it is worth doing, heh....
Not that definitions matters really, but I'm not sure how a game can be a sandbox when you can't even trade between players except for some predefined items and you have predefined classes that can only wield this and that weapon. The trade part is actually the reason why my wife and I are not playing it.
Only proper sandbox out there right now is probably EVE.
While you may be right, it's kind of dumb to have a sub-genre consist of exactly 1 game, don't you think?
"Sandbox" is a useful term which, for MMOs, describes an MMO that isn't "on rails"- i.e. your leveling-up isn't basically limited to doing quests and your endgame isn't limited to basically running dungeons.
I use the term "Sandboxy" to describe Black Desert just to avoid this kind of argument, but really it would be easier to just call it a Sandbox.
And you can really go too far with the idea of "Sandbox". I can't fly around in space in a giant yellow submarine- I could say that EVE isn't letting me do whatever I want so it's not a sandbox.
It all depends on what you consider acceptable limitations for a sandbox.
Negative.....a Sandbox, or the term refers to exactly that....the effect on the 'play area' you had as a kid in your sandbox....and the worlds you created. That being said, EVE is the only true Sandbox that is out atm, there are no real limitations to what you can do within this environment, and the community aspects, from the economy to planning out and executing corporate espionage years in the making are unparalleled.
The only other sandbox games to have come out within the fantasy setting since UO, are Mortal, and Darkfall, and Dark and Light (to an extent).
Here's the thing, no one has put out a successful true Sandbox in a fantasy setting, you have attempts, and they fail. The reason being, a true sandbox is a niche market....people don't really want the longevity the end game of these types have provided.......so, you have these Sandparks, uh Themebox....hmmmm, hybrid is just fine, rofl!
Now Hybrids have been decently successful, and until someone finds the right mixture to keep folks chomping at the bit for the long haul, that's what we are going to get. Hybrids, with aspects of both types of category, so in reality there are 3 types
(ramble) On that note, some of the better hybrids IMO have been VG, Dark and Light (well most potential to have been a real sanbox in a fantasy setting), AION, ArcheAge (other then it being SO p2w, prolly the best hybrid of all time thus far) DAoC.
Some (hopefully) true sandboxes in a fantasy setting to keep on your radar - Utheros, CoE, Trials of Ascension, Shroud of The Avatar, and this gem https://www.revivalgame.com/, I am still on the fence about both Darkfall projects, but still should be mentioned. I am sorry HH that I rambled on in my response to your take on the category, o/
Well, like I said I try to use the word "sandboxy" when talking about games like BDO and Archeage to specifically avoid this kind of digression. Surely you'd agree that BDO is different from a WoW-clone themepark.
If I wanted to get technical, I could say that Eve isn't a true sandbox either. That literal sandbox you mentioned for kids is just a box with sand in it. Eve has systems and thus limitations in place as far as what you can and cannot do in the game.
Until there comes a time when players themselves are making the graphics, physics, animations, and content of the game themselves, none of these games are technically sandboxes.
Since that day will never come I find it more useful to call games like BDO a sandbox, rather than reserving that genre category for 1 single game currently running.
There was a pretty long thread on this forum not too long ago proposing that the site have 2 separate sections for sandboxes and theme parks. It would be a little silly if only Eve was allowed to go into that section for sandboxes.
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Its called action combat, I hate it, period. Not going to sugarcoat it to please you all circle jerking about it. To say I didn t play it enough or I m expecting too much is just a stupid comment. The combat sucks ass to me period.
I use the image of a sanbox when I think of what a true sandbox game would be like.
Eve, Mortal, and UO all come to mind.
I haven't tried Black Desert, yet or maybe not at all. All the combat videos seems really spammy to me: lots of flash and repition to little effect.
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Very fun to also rely on combinations of keys rather than your usual skill tray combat (except for the few skills that don't have a hotkey combination and must be put on your skill tray.)
Still a great game though. I'm enjoying it quite a bit, very immersive. Many oooh ahhh moments. I like the fact that I have to jump on my horse and ride into the next city to pick up my potatos because I don't want to get rid of my slave there. Honestly. I dislike fast travel. It's a little thing but it really takes away from that immersion for me.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
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FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
A ) Some people do not like crafting and they work with the guild where where couple crafters with united effort supply the guild.
B ) But you have to craft everything yourself!
Closed minds, like a broken record...
It's cool. Whatever you say, partner. I'm happy and having a blast in BDO with friends. Just popped in for a second while I'm on a long trade run but diving back in as soon as I arrive. Finally a game that I can lose myself in. I can honestly say that it is everything I've ever wanted in an MMORPG. I Hope you find that MMORPG that satisfies you like BDO satisfies me.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Other than the abhorrent combat, the game seems to have some potentially interesting systems in it, sadly I'll never get to see them because the combat is so god awful. Nobody posting in this forum will be playing in 3 months, don't pretend like you will. See you at the next big thing.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
I don't like the game you like so I haven't played many MMOs. K. You are correct though, I didn't purchase the game. I uninstalled on day 2 of my 7 day guest pass. Toodles!
It was obviously designed around console specs. It looks horrid compared to games like dying light, or skyrim with graphic mods. If it only needs 1gb of VRam, that means the textures are garbage.
The only other sandbox games to have come out within the fantasy setting since UO, are Mortal, and Darkfall, and Dark and Light (to an extent).
Here's the thing, no one has put out a successful true Sandbox in a fantasy setting, you have attempts, and they fail. The reason being, a true sandbox is a niche market....people don't really want the longevity the end game of these types have provided.......so, you have these Sandparks, uh Themebox....hmmmm, hybrid is just fine, rofl!
Now Hybrids have been decently successful, and until someone finds the right mixture to keep folks chomping at the bit for the long haul, that's what we are going to get. Hybrids, with aspects of both types of category, so in reality there are 3 types
(ramble) On that note, some of the better hybrids IMO have been VG, Dark and Light (well most potential to have been a real sanbox in a fantasy setting), AION, ArcheAge (other then it being SO p2w, prolly the best hybrid of all time thus far) DAoC.
Some (hopefully) true sandboxes in a fantasy setting to keep on your radar - Utheros, CoE, Trials of Ascension, Shroud of The Avatar, and this gem https://www.revivalgame.com/, I am still on the fence about both Darkfall projects, but still should be mentioned. I am sorry HH that I rambled on in my response to your take on the category, o/
Exactly what I ve been trying to say forever. They seem to think that the combat isn t possibly not liked and if it isn t liked you have a problem or something, lol.
If the combat sucks for someone, the rest of the game isn t going to matter.
So my statement stands, none have found the right mix to make it a true sandbox, that is able to keep all player types interested, within a fantasy setting.
For action combat, this game is pretty good, and you don't really have a lot of competition here, AoC really being the first 'action' combat MMO ( I know there was tab targeting, but say what you will about FunCom, this combat system was revolutionary, and at least a catalyst to move to true action combat) the few after failed to really sway folks enough to make it their standard. I will also add to the animations in the same response, for an action combat system, the animations are pretty damn good, especially when you are talking large GvG PvP, yes you need a beast to run all this in high graphics, but yeah....kudos for sure
Ok, best looking open world......well, again, this isn't really an open world. Openish? Graphically, this game is amazing though, probably some of the best graphics in a fantasy hybrid MMO out to date.
Innovative systems, I do like SOME of their take on the systems they have implemented, BUT, they are far from finished, and if this is finished, FAIL.....I mean, trade packs, and you can't defend against real 'bandits' or you can't steal packs, wtf (at this point it is an easy button) crafting that doesn't really mean a f@$^, bah....plz fix ...... Karma system, OMG too strict for it to make the GvG, and or 'open world' PvP enticing for any real longevity. The market....pls, this is not a market, and the economy is static with some 'tier' type difficulty? Best way I can think to describe it atm......All in all, I get why they did some of the things they did with these systems, fighting ganking, and gold sellers, and monopolizing on certain high end gear\loot what not, but ATM they all seem incomplete, or at least I hope they are incomplete =P
As far as your other 'titles' plz see my last response , EQ is NOT a sandbox in any way shape or form ( my first MMO, and I played for 6 + years from 3 months after release on) I would like more choices with the combat, IE, you can't be best PVP combat in a game unless it is worth doing, heh....
If I wanted to get technical, I could say that Eve isn't a true sandbox either. That literal sandbox you mentioned for kids is just a box with sand in it. Eve has systems and thus limitations in place as far as what you can and cannot do in the game.
Until there comes a time when players themselves are making the graphics, physics, animations, and content of the game themselves, none of these games are technically sandboxes.
Since that day will never come I find it more useful to call games like BDO a sandbox, rather than reserving that genre category for 1 single game currently running.
There was a pretty long thread on this forum not too long ago proposing that the site have 2 separate sections for sandboxes and theme parks. It would be a little silly if only Eve was allowed to go into that section for sandboxes.