The Tip of the Iceberg is Huge

SBFord · March 2016

The Tip of the Iceberg is Huge

I’m going to level with you guys. I still don’t know what the frak I’m doing in Black Desert Online. I’ve played/logged well over 90 hours since head start and I haven’t even gotten to the first major city. My twitter followers laughed at me when I remarked how big and confusing Heidel seemed. If there’s one reason I think BDO is having such a wonderful effect on my beleaguered MMO-playing heart, it’s because the game really does make you learn how to play all over again.

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Blinkenn · March 2016

The real question is, did you buy a ghillie suit yet.

Volgore · March 2016

Hello Suzie!!

I think you are cute.

carvalho677 · March 2016

True that, little bit over the 100 hour mark and only now am I entering heidel LOL.... there so many things to do and I never know what to focus... so overwhelming but so good

Attarik · March 2016

I just don't get the fascination with this game, the combat is generic, the classes are both gender locked and determine what you can look like, the cash shop is unbelievably overpriced and no matter how much there is to do its all mostly fishing by bots or boring grinding.

Grakulen · March 2016

Attarik said:

I just don't get the fascination with this game, the combat is generic, the classes are both gender locked and determine what you can look like, the cash shop is unbelievably overpriced and no matter how much there is to do its all mostly fishing by bots or boring grinding.

I guess it boils down to perspective. I'm loving it. In fact you can watch my main, Grak, afk fish now while me workers farm and mine. It really is like a strategy game on top of a MMO which requires you to manage a lot of things. I dig it.

jonz56 · March 2016

Each time I read about your BDO adventure, I think that you spied on me: I reach lvl 20 today and I was lvl 19 for 6 days. It's so refreshing to have so much things to do, that i love the fact to get "lost" in it. I also like that they thought about fishes decaying or minigames like driving carts or the dark nights. It's just details but that's what makes this game so different: all these little details.

Solar_Prophet · March 2016

If it weren't for FFA PvP, I'd give this game a shot. I love games where you can just get lost doing stuff other than level up for hours.

I'll wait for a free trial.

fed79 · March 2016

It's worth $30 for sure but the pay2win elements that really drop in the end game just leave a bad taste. Others like it and all power to them, but I know already this game won't last for me.

209vaughn · March 2016

100% agree. I've only scratched the surface.

This game is wonderful for every type of player. Such a huge variety of content. But if you just want to get lost in a bustling world - this is the MMORPG for you.

kaedian66 · March 2016

I like the irony of the bikinipanda blurb in the supplied screenshot.

mmrv · March 2016

Attarik said:

I just don't get the fascination with this game, the combat is generic, the classes are both gender locked and determine what you can look like, the cash shop is unbelievably overpriced and no matter how much there is to do its all mostly fishing by bots or boring grinding.

I have a couple friends like you. Believe it or not the problem lies with you. I am not sure why people like you even play MMORPG's and I am pretty sure you dont either. You clearly just don't like these type of games so stop playing them and you can quite whining.

The combat is generic? In what manner? I mean what are you expecting from combat how can it possibly be "not generic" this isnt tab target, you get wildly powerful abilties to slay hoardes of monsters. Your complaint would be like stating "I dont get why people like the division the combat is generic, you get guns and shoots stuff" it doesnt even make sense.

The cash shop is expensive? lol ok it is but that has NOTHING to do with playing the game and there is NOTHING you need from the cash shop so why even mention it as an issue? You are a clown.

There are no "fishing bots" the game lets you afk fish, kinda even makes sense in real life fishing is literally an afk hobby you sit there staring at the water waiting for hours sometimes for a bite...

and your last joke of a complaint "boring grinding" its only boring grinding if you make it boring grinding? look up your leveling guide on line, follow it from little best grind per level to little best grind spot for the nest 5 levels....ya it will be boring because you make these games boring because you dont actually play the games. you just research everything online from what class you choose to every location you bee line too for the fastest possible leveling and then you complain the game is boring?

Again get over yourself and just stop playing mmorpgs they are clearly not for you if that is your mindset of "playing these games" rush to level cap mashout end game to get max level and gear then sit and be moan there is nothing to do...you dont play the games right because you dont enjoy these types of games. So just stop playing MMO's they offer nothing for you. I am enjoy brisk leveling etc... but yet i am level 38 only , and find myself wandering around doing all of these quests that can bread crumb me around the area for hours and hours barely budging my exp bar.... and my friends like you say " yeah those quests are all useless they don't give you anything" no they dont give YOU anything, they give me hours of entertainment, because i enjoy the class i picked, I enjoy exploring areas reading the little quests watching the cut scenes, and seeing all of the other "abstract ways" my character progresses improve. I havent even scrratched the surface of stuff like building a raft to explore islands, i dont even have a horse yet lol.

kaedian66 · March 2016

The quests give contribution and skill points, just not combat exp.

Kiryi · March 2016

Two days ago, I finally decided to not only have a house in Heidel, but a workshop, lodging and expanded my storage to dip my toes in crafting. This is after hours spent on fishing, farming, trading part of the game. I'm at about 75 hours played, and level 22.
Every night, I login thinking will this be the last night I play this game so deeply and end up staying up late because I'm enjoying myself. There is just something about it, the exploration, the crafting, the various many things I like to do, that makes it fun. I love my horse, and pets still confuse me, but that's ok!
I wonder if it IS the various mini-games that are built in, we don't really see them as mini-games but they are. Pets, horses, workers all level up, and get abilities, rarities and such. Fishing mini-game is excellent. Farming also has a mini-game with water, pests, and even seed breeding.
I just know, I'm ready to leave work and login. I'm not done with this game yet.

Attarik · March 2016

mmrv said:

Attarik said:

I just don't get the fascination with this game, the combat is generic, the classes are both gender locked and determine what you can look like, the cash shop is unbelievably overpriced and no matter how much there is to do its all mostly fishing by bots or boring grinding.

I have a couple friends like you. Believe it or not the problem lies with you. I am not sure why people like you even play MMORPG's and I am pretty sure you dont either. You clearly just don't like these type of games so stop playing them and you can quite whining.

The combat is generic? In what manner? I mean what are you expecting from combat how can it possibly be "not generic" this isnt tab target, you get wildly powerful abilties to slay hoardes of monsters. Your complaint would be like stating "I dont get why people like the division the combat is generic, you get guns and shoots stuff" it doesnt even make sense.

The cash shop is expensive? lol ok it is but that has NOTHING to do with playing the game and there is NOTHING you need from the cash shop so why even mention it as an issue? You are a clown.

There are no "fishing bots" the game lets you afk fish, kinda even makes sense in real life fishing is literally an afk hobby you sit there staring at the water waiting for hours sometimes for a bite...

and your last joke of a complaint "boring grinding" its only boring grinding if you make it boring grinding? look up your leveling guide on line, follow it from little best grind per level to little best grind spot for the nest 5 levels....ya it will be boring because you make these games boring because you dont actually play the games. you just research everything online from what class you choose to every location you bee line too for the fastest possible leveling and then you complain the game is boring?

Again get over yourself and just stop playing mmorpgs they are clearly not for you if that is your mindset of "playing these games" rush to level cap mashout end game to get max level and gear then sit and be moan there is nothing to do...you dont play the games right because you dont enjoy these types of games. So just stop playing MMO's they offer nothing for you. I am enjoy brisk leveling etc... but yet i am level 38 only , and find myself wandering around doing all of these quests that can bread crumb me around the area for hours and hours barely budging my exp bar.... and my friends like you say " yeah those quests are all useless they don't give you anything" no they dont give YOU anything, they give me hours of entertainment, because i enjoy the class i picked, I enjoy exploring areas reading the little quests watching the cut scenes, and seeing all of the other "abstract ways" my character progresses improve. I havent even scrratched the surface of stuff like building a raft to explore islands, i dont even have a horse yet lol.

I've been playing MMOs since Everquest first dropped and I love the genre, but intentionally designing a game to force players to bot or grind pointless things like "walk in a circle with a backpack for an hour" are not good game design, and saying "if you don't like my game it's because you suck at MMOs" just makes you sound like a pretentious jackass.

Perjure · March 2016

Attarik said:

mmrv said:

Attarik said:

I just don't get the fascination with this game, the combat is generic, the classes are both gender locked and determine what you can look like, the cash shop is unbelievably overpriced and no matter how much there is to do its all mostly fishing by bots or boring grinding.

I have a couple friends like you. Believe it or not the problem lies with you. I am not sure why people like you even play MMORPG's and I am pretty sure you dont either. You clearly just don't like these type of games so stop playing them and you can quite whining.

The combat is generic? In what manner? I mean what are you expecting from combat how can it possibly be "not generic" this isnt tab target, you get wildly powerful abilties to slay hoardes of monsters. Your complaint would be like stating "I dont get why people like the division the combat is generic, you get guns and shoots stuff" it doesnt even make sense.

The cash shop is expensive? lol ok it is but that has NOTHING to do with playing the game and there is NOTHING you need from the cash shop so why even mention it as an issue? You are a clown.

There are no "fishing bots" the game lets you afk fish, kinda even makes sense in real life fishing is literally an afk hobby you sit there staring at the water waiting for hours sometimes for a bite...

and your last joke of a complaint "boring grinding" its only boring grinding if you make it boring grinding? look up your leveling guide on line, follow it from little best grind per level to little best grind spot for the nest 5 levels....ya it will be boring because you make these games boring because you dont actually play the games. you just research everything online from what class you choose to every location you bee line too for the fastest possible leveling and then you complain the game is boring?

Again get over yourself and just stop playing mmorpgs they are clearly not for you if that is your mindset of "playing these games" rush to level cap mashout end game to get max level and gear then sit and be moan there is nothing to do...you dont play the games right because you dont enjoy these types of games. So just stop playing MMO's they offer nothing for you. I am enjoy brisk leveling etc... but yet i am level 38 only , and find myself wandering around doing all of these quests that can bread crumb me around the area for hours and hours barely budging my exp bar.... and my friends like you say " yeah those quests are all useless they don't give you anything" no they dont give YOU anything, they give me hours of entertainment, because i enjoy the class i picked, I enjoy exploring areas reading the little quests watching the cut scenes, and seeing all of the other "abstract ways" my character progresses improve. I havent even scrratched the surface of stuff like building a raft to explore islands, i dont even have a horse yet lol.

I've been playing MMOs since Everquest first dropped and I love the genre, but intentionally designing a game to force players to bot or grind pointless things like "walk in a circle with a backpack for an hour" are not good game design, and saying "if you don't like my game it's because you suck at MMOs" just makes you sound like a pretentious jackass.

The game doesn't force you to bot or walk in a circle with a backpack for an hour. Have you played the game?

vicmont82 · March 2016

The game looks amazing, too bad i can't play it because of where i live. Hope they open up restrictions in the future.

Attarik · March 2016

Perjure said:

Attarik said:

mmrv said:

Attarik said:

I just don't get the fascination with this game, the combat is generic, the classes are both gender locked and determine what you can look like, the cash shop is unbelievably overpriced and no matter how much there is to do its all mostly fishing by bots or boring grinding.

I have a couple friends like you. Believe it or not the problem lies with you. I am not sure why people like you even play MMORPG's and I am pretty sure you dont either. You clearly just don't like these type of games so stop playing them and you can quite whining.

The combat is generic? In what manner? I mean what are you expecting from combat how can it possibly be "not generic" this isnt tab target, you get wildly powerful abilties to slay hoardes of monsters. Your complaint would be like stating "I dont get why people like the division the combat is generic, you get guns and shoots stuff" it doesnt even make sense.

The cash shop is expensive? lol ok it is but that has NOTHING to do with playing the game and there is NOTHING you need from the cash shop so why even mention it as an issue? You are a clown.

There are no "fishing bots" the game lets you afk fish, kinda even makes sense in real life fishing is literally an afk hobby you sit there staring at the water waiting for hours sometimes for a bite...

and your last joke of a complaint "boring grinding" its only boring grinding if you make it boring grinding? look up your leveling guide on line, follow it from little best grind per level to little best grind spot for the nest 5 levels....ya it will be boring because you make these games boring because you dont actually play the games. you just research everything online from what class you choose to every location you bee line too for the fastest possible leveling and then you complain the game is boring?

Again get over yourself and just stop playing mmorpgs they are clearly not for you if that is your mindset of "playing these games" rush to level cap mashout end game to get max level and gear then sit and be moan there is nothing to do...you dont play the games right because you dont enjoy these types of games. So just stop playing MMO's they offer nothing for you. I am enjoy brisk leveling etc... but yet i am level 38 only , and find myself wandering around doing all of these quests that can bread crumb me around the area for hours and hours barely budging my exp bar.... and my friends like you say " yeah those quests are all useless they don't give you anything" no they dont give YOU anything, they give me hours of entertainment, because i enjoy the class i picked, I enjoy exploring areas reading the little quests watching the cut scenes, and seeing all of the other "abstract ways" my character progresses improve. I havent even scrratched the surface of stuff like building a raft to explore islands, i dont even have a horse yet lol.

I've been playing MMOs since Everquest first dropped and I love the genre, but intentionally designing a game to force players to bot or grind pointless things like "walk in a circle with a backpack for an hour" are not good game design, and saying "if you don't like my game it's because you suck at MMOs" just makes you sound like a pretentious jackass.

The game doesn't force you to bot or walk in a circle with a backpack for an hour. Have you played the game?

I have, which means I instantly cant refund which stinks but that's fine. I played a warrior and yes, I was forced to walk around with a pack to build a stat.

rojoArcueid · March 2016

Attarik said:

I've been playing MMOs since Everquest first dropped and I love the genre, but intentionally designing a game to force players to bot or grind pointless things like "walk in a circle with a backpack for an hour" are not good game design, and saying "if you don't like my game it's because you suck at MMOs" just makes you sound like a pretentious jackass.

so you are playing mmos since EQ1 and you are calling BDO generic and a boring grind? kind of a hypocrite statement, dont you think?

BillMurphy · March 2016

No ghillie suit yet. I'm not 45. :P

Kyleran · March 2016

Attarik said:

Perjure said:

Attarik said:

mmrv said:

Attarik said:

I just don't get the fascination with this game, the combat is generic, the classes are both gender locked and determine what you can look like, the cash shop is unbelievably overpriced and no matter how much there is to do its all mostly fishing by bots or boring grinding.

I have a couple friends like you. Believe it or not the problem lies with you. I am not sure why people like you even play MMORPG's and I am pretty sure you dont either. You clearly just don't like these type of games so stop playing them and you can quite whining.

The combat is generic? In what manner? I mean what are you expecting from combat how can it possibly be "not generic" this isnt tab target, you get wildly powerful abilties to slay hoardes of monsters. Your complaint would be like stating "I dont get why people like the division the combat is generic, you get guns and shoots stuff" it doesnt even make sense.

The cash shop is expensive? lol ok it is but that has NOTHING to do with playing the game and there is NOTHING you need from the cash shop so why even mention it as an issue? You are a clown.

There are no "fishing bots" the game lets you afk fish, kinda even makes sense in real life fishing is literally an afk hobby you sit there staring at the water waiting for hours sometimes for a bite...

and your last joke of a complaint "boring grinding" its only boring grinding if you make it boring grinding? look up your leveling guide on line, follow it from little best grind per level to little best grind spot for the nest 5 levels....ya it will be boring because you make these games boring because you dont actually play the games. you just research everything online from what class you choose to every location you bee line too for the fastest possible leveling and then you complain the game is boring?

Again get over yourself and just stop playing mmorpgs they are clearly not for you if that is your mindset of "playing these games" rush to level cap mashout end game to get max level and gear then sit and be moan there is nothing to do...you dont play the games right because you dont enjoy these types of games. So just stop playing MMO's they offer nothing for you. I am enjoy brisk leveling etc... but yet i am level 38 only , and find myself wandering around doing all of these quests that can bread crumb me around the area for hours and hours barely budging my exp bar.... and my friends like you say " yeah those quests are all useless they don't give you anything" no they dont give YOU anything, they give me hours of entertainment, because i enjoy the class i picked, I enjoy exploring areas reading the little quests watching the cut scenes, and seeing all of the other "abstract ways" my character progresses improve. I havent even scrratched the surface of stuff like building a raft to explore islands, i dont even have a horse yet lol.

I've been playing MMOs since Everquest first dropped and I love the genre, but intentionally designing a game to force players to bot or grind pointless things like "walk in a circle with a backpack for an hour" are not good game design, and saying "if you don't like my game it's because you suck at MMOs" just makes you sound like a pretentious jackass.

The game doesn't force you to bot or walk in a circle with a backpack for an hour. Have you played the game?

I have, which means I instantly cant refund which stinks but that's fine. I played a warrior and yes, I was forced to walk around with a pack to build a stat.

Too bad they forced you to play a warrior.

Oh wait....

Oyjord · March 2016

Gender-locked classes are a deal breaker.

All the gear for any given class looking alike is a deal breaker.

No fun loot drops is a deal breaker.

NeverForgetLove · March 2016

rojoArcueid said:

Attarik said:

I've been playing MMOs since Everquest first dropped and I love the genre, but intentionally designing a game to force players to bot or grind pointless things like "walk in a circle with a backpack for an hour" are not good game design, and saying "if you don't like my game it's because you suck at MMOs" just makes you sound like a pretentious jackass.

so you are playing mmos since EQ1 and you are calling BDO generic and a boring grind? kind of a hypocrite statement, dont you think?

Oh my god! You didn't just compare the epic EQ1 with the insanely dumbed down version of BDO, did you?

Soki123 · March 2016

Attarik said:

I just don't get the fascination with this game, the combat is generic, the classes are both gender locked and determine what you can look like, the cash shop is unbelievably overpriced and no matter how much there is to do its all mostly fishing by bots or boring grinding.

Honeymoon. Just wait a month or 2.

Soki123 · March 2016

NeverForgetLove said:

rojoArcueid said:

Attarik said:

I've been playing MMOs since Everquest first dropped and I love the genre, but intentionally designing a game to force players to bot or grind pointless things like "walk in a circle with a backpack for an hour" are not good game design, and saying "if you don't like my game it's because you suck at MMOs" just makes you sound like a pretentious jackass.

so you are playing mmos since EQ1 and you are calling BDO generic and a boring grind? kind of a hypocrite statement, dont you think?

Oh my god! You didn't just compare the epic EQ1 with the insanely dumbed down version of BDO, did you?

That is funny, but apparently these are the games they think are epic nowadays.

Iselin · March 2016

@BillMurphy ;

Heidel huge and confusing...

You owe it to yourself to just take a side trip to Calpheon. Even though it's in a level 35+ area it's perfectly safe to go there for a visit using roads. A couple of ways to do it: it's due west of Heidel so just start heading that way go through the mountain fort and follow the roads west. Or from Olvia, take the western road and once past the mountains, start heading south,

My first visit to Calpheon was mind blowing. The feel and scope of the place is awe inspiring. I can't think of many cities in other MMOs that feel as genuinely fantasy medieval as Calpheon. I went there with a purpose the first time: to get my Yuria staff from the amity vendor who sells it once you have 500 amity with him. That took me through the middle of the most authentic-feeling marketplace I've ever seen.

Just take a break from your other endeavors. Let your workers have a holiday and abstain from swilling beer for a few hours and just head over there. I'm interested in hearing what your first impression is.

PS. The other main utilitarian reason besides the Yuria weapons to head to Calpheon is to leave one of your alts parked at the library. You know the knowledge you unlock from fighting mobs? The quality of that knowledge (C being the lowest) is the main determining factor on whether or not you get enhancement stone drops from that type of mob. The main librarian in Calpheon lets you reset the C knowledge back to nothing so you can try again and hope for a better result.

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