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Black Desert Online VS. Archage

rubydragon5rubydragon5 Member UncommonPosts: 693
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I am currently looking for a sandbox like game to call home.

I am trying to decide whether I want to play AA or BDO

BDO looks nice and its just 30 usd to play permanently but the no trading allowed turns me off a lot, since I enjoy playing the Auction House in games to build wealth for gear.

ArcheAge got horrible reviews on this site but on there forums it seems the population is very healthy.

I also know AA is considered P2W but I don't mind it much, im more focused on myself being able to succeed not others.

I enjoy market reselling(playing AH), also PVP


Any advice would be great, thanks





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  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    edited March 2016
    If you enjoy playing market, BDO is bad match. If you love pvp, then both BDO and AA can cater to you nicely. If you want to play AA, kyrios and morpheus are the only 2 most populated in NA, don't know much about EU but it seems almost all EU server are quite healthy.

    EDIT : Despite most eu servers being balanced in population Shatigon is the most populated one, so just go with it if you decide playing on eu.
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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    edited March 2016
    Black Desert Online's Trade System



  • zukster2k5zukster2k5 Member UncommonPosts: 18
    edited March 2016
    I just quit BDO after 80~ hours played and level 50. My issue was it felt like a single player MMO.

    It was action combat with quick respawns so you didn't really have time to chit chat with people in gchat let alone area chat (chat bubbles lasted 2 seconds so you weren't gonna see it anyways). I felt if I didn't stop and run for out of the zone I was grinding to respond I would die.

    The economy was very restrictive. I can't tell you how many times I would find a rare crafting mat just to see there was 0 on the AH and think I would make a nice profit. Nope it was capped at 2k silver a unit and sold to the vendor for 700 (AH takes a 35% cut). And if you needed that mat to craft you would have to camp the AH for 30~45 mins to get that 5-10 you need to craft or go out and get it yourself which isn't always quick.

    Top it off with the Ghille suit (it was a cosmetic for $30 that made it so your nameplate never showed) BS and the game just wasn't for me.

    Archeage was full on P2W or that would be my ideal MMO. I came back for 2-3 months after 2.0 hit got about 13k gold and quit when I kept getting destroyed by people that had been rumored to spend 1k a month on cash shop items.

    If you can deal with P2W I would say Archeage hands down. Right now I wouldn't recommend Black Desert if your looking for a sandbox (if your ok with single player sandbox I guess its ok).

    Edit: Should also add if you like ESO PvE you might like BDO. There is a lot you can get lost on. For me though its mostly fluff. I prefer to progress my character not explore and do RP things.
  • BlurBlehBlurBleh Member UncommonPosts: 162
    rubydragon5 said:
    I am currently looking for a sandbox like game to call home.

    I am trying to decide whether I want to play AA or BDO

    BDO looks nice and its just 30 usd to play permanently but the no trading allowed turns me off a lot, since I enjoy playing the Auction House in games to build wealth for gear.

    ArcheAge got horrible reviews on this site but on there forums it seems the population is very healthy.

    I also know AA is considered P2W but I don't mind it much, im more focused on myself being able to succeed not others.

    I enjoy market reselling(playing AH), also PVP


    Any advice would be great, thanks
    Sounds like AA is the better option for you given the system controlled whole broker system and the lack of player-to-player trading in BDO.

    Both games have some rather serious flaws but since playing the AH is your single most important enjoyment, then the answer is definitely AA.
  • BruhzaBruhza Member UncommonPosts: 391
    edited March 2016
    I just quit BDO after 80~ hours played and level 50. My issue was it felt like a single player MMO.

    It was action combat with quick respawns so you didn't really have time to chit chat with people in gchat let alone area chat (chat bubbles lasted 2 seconds so you weren't gonna see it anyways). I felt if I didn't stop and run for out of the zone I was grinding to respond I would die.

    The economy was very restrictive. I can't tell you how many times I would find a rare crafting mat just to see there was 0 on the AH and think I would make a nice profit. Nope it was capped at 2k silver a unit and sold to the vendor for 700 (AH takes a 35% cut). And if you needed that mat to craft you would have to camp the AH for 30~45 mins to get that 5-10 you need to craft or go out and get it yourself which isn't always quick.

    Top it off with the Ghille suit (it was a cosmetic for $30 that made it so your nameplate never showed) BS and the game just wasn't for me.

    Archeage was full on P2W or that would be my ideal MMO. I came back for 2-3 months after 2.0 hit got about 13k gold and quit when I kept getting destroyed by people that had been rumored to spend 1k a month on cash shop items.

    If you can deal with P2W I would say Archeage hands down. Right now I wouldn't recommend Black Desert if your looking for a sandbox (if your ok with single player sandbox I guess its ok).
    I have to greatly disagree with this. It is true that you can play the game solo, however this is by far the most interaction with other players I have had in years when it comes to MMO's. 

    Also, it is what you make of it. If you sit down and search for a guild that is active then you have already solved your main problem with the game. (Also you can make other tabs in chat so you don't have to see the general chat)



    As far as the other things with Black Desert, it is to prevent Gold Traders and "paying to win". Also the fact that none of the items you get are soulbound, so you can just buy some strong weapon, give it to a low level and resell it later. There has to be some sort of money sink and frankly it gets the job done.

    For the Ghille suit you glow red when you enter combat or if you are marked as a criminal, so it really is a non-issue. If anything its a way for that player to avoid PvP rather than have any sort of advantage in it. Also the fact that you cannot see the gear other players are wearing, so attacking someone flat out is potentially instant death for said ghille suit user.



    Regarding the original post. Black Desert is by far the best MMO I have played in years, it is what a lot of people have been asking for but yet people (Due to being the internet, yay) will still find things to complain about. If your in the middle for both games, then it would come down to if you want action combat or not. Both games are an equal grind, but one has much heavier p2w element were as black desert has no ways of paying for better gear.
  • zukster2k5zukster2k5 Member UncommonPosts: 18
    edited March 2016
    Bruhza said:
    I just quit BDO after 80~ hours played and level 50. My issue was it felt like a single player MMO.

    It was action combat with quick respawns so you didn't really have time to chit chat with people in gchat let alone area chat (chat bubbles lasted 2 seconds so you weren't gonna see it anyways). I felt if I didn't stop and run for out of the zone I was grinding to respond I would die.

    The economy was very restrictive. I can't tell you how many times I would find a rare crafting mat just to see there was 0 on the AH and think I would make a nice profit. Nope it was capped at 2k silver a unit and sold to the vendor for 700 (AH takes a 35% cut). And if you needed that mat to craft you would have to camp the AH for 30~45 mins to get that 5-10 you need to craft or go out and get it yourself which isn't always quick.

    Top it off with the Ghille suit (it was a cosmetic for $30 that made it so your nameplate never showed) BS and the game just wasn't for me.

    Archeage was full on P2W or that would be my ideal MMO. I came back for 2-3 months after 2.0 hit got about 13k gold and quit when I kept getting destroyed by people that had been rumored to spend 1k a month on cash shop items.

    If you can deal with P2W I would say Archeage hands down. Right now I wouldn't recommend Black Desert if your looking for a sandbox (if your ok with single player sandbox I guess its ok).
    I have to greatly disagree with this. It is true that you can play the game solo, however this is by far the most interaction with other players I have had in years when it comes to MMO's. 

    Also, it is what you make of it. If you sit down and search for a guild that is active then you have already solved your main problem with the game. (Also you can make other tabs in chat so you don't have to see the general chat)



    As far as the other things with Black Desert, it is to prevent Gold Traders and "paying to win". Also the fact that none of the items you get are soulbound, so you can just buy some strong weapon, give it to a low level and resell it later. There has to be some sort of money sink and frankly it gets the job done.

    For the Ghille suit you glow red when you enter combat or if you are marked as a criminal, so it really is a non-issue. If anything its a way for that player to avoid PvP rather than have any sort of advantage in it. Also the fact that you cannot see the gear other players are wearing, so attacking someone flat out is potentially instant death for said ghille suit user.



    Regarding the original post. Black Desert is by far the best MMO I have played in years, it is what a lot of people have been asking for but yet people (Due to being the internet, yay) will still find things to complain about. If your in the middle for both games, then it would come down to if you want action combat or not. Both games are an equal grind, but one has much heavier p2w element were as black desert has no ways of paying for better gear.

    You lost me at the Ghille suit being a non issue. Only way to get people to glow red is by having a dog. To get a dog you have to pay. And don't try and say Flares. You can get 9 a day from dailies and They have a 10 yard range and last 5 seconds. When your fighting in mostly forest areas and have insane mobility like some classes its broken.

    And the no trading is cutting off your nose to spite your face. And it didn't even work. Gold sellers are rampant in chat. Guess there's some exploit where you can still shift gold to someone.
  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    There is no trading.

    The "Gold" Sellers are advertising Pearl Shop items which are not tradeable or to sell accounts probably with pearl shop items. 

  • zukster2k5zukster2k5 Member UncommonPosts: 18
    Bloodaxes said:
    There is no trading.

    The "Gold" Sellers are advertising Pearl Shop items which are not tradeable or to sell accounts probably with pearl shop items. 

    There defiantly posting for gold too. I know you can trade potions. But i think there was an exploit you could do it another way. May have been fixed but there was still gold sellers as of 2 days ago.
  • BruhzaBruhza Member UncommonPosts: 391
    zukster2k5 said:
    Bruhza said:
    I just quit BDO after 80~ hours played and level 50. My issue was it felt like a single player MMO.

    It was action combat with quick respawns so you didn't really have time to chit chat with people in gchat let alone area chat (chat bubbles lasted 2 seconds so you weren't gonna see it anyways). I felt if I didn't stop and run for out of the zone I was grinding to respond I would die.

    The economy was very restrictive. I can't tell you how many times I would find a rare crafting mat just to see there was 0 on the AH and think I would make a nice profit. Nope it was capped at 2k silver a unit and sold to the vendor for 700 (AH takes a 35% cut). And if you needed that mat to craft you would have to camp the AH for 30~45 mins to get that 5-10 you need to craft or go out and get it yourself which isn't always quick.

    Top it off with the Ghille suit (it was a cosmetic for $30 that made it so your nameplate never showed) BS and the game just wasn't for me.

    Archeage was full on P2W or that would be my ideal MMO. I came back for 2-3 months after 2.0 hit got about 13k gold and quit when I kept getting destroyed by people that had been rumored to spend 1k a month on cash shop items.

    If you can deal with P2W I would say Archeage hands down. Right now I wouldn't recommend Black Desert if your looking for a sandbox (if your ok with single player sandbox I guess its ok).
    I have to greatly disagree with this. It is true that you can play the game solo, however this is by far the most interaction with other players I have had in years when it comes to MMO's. 

    Also, it is what you make of it. If you sit down and search for a guild that is active then you have already solved your main problem with the game. (Also you can make other tabs in chat so you don't have to see the general chat)



    As far as the other things with Black Desert, it is to prevent Gold Traders and "paying to win". Also the fact that none of the items you get are soulbound, so you can just buy some strong weapon, give it to a low level and resell it later. There has to be some sort of money sink and frankly it gets the job done.

    For the Ghille suit you glow red when you enter combat or if you are marked as a criminal, so it really is a non-issue. If anything its a way for that player to avoid PvP rather than have any sort of advantage in it. Also the fact that you cannot see the gear other players are wearing, so attacking someone flat out is potentially instant death for said ghille suit user.



    Regarding the original post. Black Desert is by far the best MMO I have played in years, it is what a lot of people have been asking for but yet people (Due to being the internet, yay) will still find things to complain about. If your in the middle for both games, then it would come down to if you want action combat or not. Both games are an equal grind, but one has much heavier p2w element were as black desert has no ways of paying for better gear.

    You lost me at the Ghille suit being a non issue. Only way to get people to glow red is by having a dog. To get a dog you have to pay. And don't try and say Flares. You can get 9 a day from dailies and They have a 10 yard range and last 5 seconds. When your fighting in mostly forest areas and have insane mobility like some classes its broken.

    And the no trading is cutting off your nose to spite your face. And it didn't even work. Gold sellers are rampant in chat. Guess there's some exploit where you can still shift gold to someone.
    It's pretty clear you haven't done any PvP. They glow red when they are in PvP combat. As far as mobility goes, mobility is mobility, that's kind of the point of it is for you to lose track of them whether they have the suit or not.
  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    zukster2k5 said:
    Bloodaxes said:
    There is no trading.

    The "Gold" Sellers are advertising Pearl Shop items which are not tradeable or to sell accounts probably with pearl shop items. 

    There defiantly posting for gold too. I know you can trade potions. But i think there was an exploit you could do it another way. May have been fixed but there was still gold sellers as of 2 days ago.
    Even Skyforge had gold sellers, doesn't mean what they offered was really possible to acquire with some exploit. They pretty much offer you their account which you CAN'T edit without contacting the company. So you spend money and then get scammed.

    Potions become bound now, so technically I guess you could buy them but you can't sell them, not even to npcs. You can't trade gold tough.

    Too many people are falling for these stupidly obvious scams.

  • BruhzaBruhza Member UncommonPosts: 391
    Bloodaxes said:
    zukster2k5 said:
    Bloodaxes said:
    There is no trading.

    The "Gold" Sellers are advertising Pearl Shop items which are not tradeable or to sell accounts probably with pearl shop items. 

    There defiantly posting for gold too. I know you can trade potions. But i think there was an exploit you could do it another way. May have been fixed but there was still gold sellers as of 2 days ago.
    Even Skyforge had gold sellers, doesn't mean what they offered was really possible to acquire with some exploit. They pretty much offer you their account which you CAN'T edit without contacting the company. So you spend money and then get scammed.

    Potions become bound now, so technically I guess you could buy them but you can't sell them, not even to npcs. You can't trade gold tough.

    Too many people are falling for these stupidly obvious scams.
    Yeah, the only thing I can think of that they would selling would be just actual accounts...
  • zukster2k5zukster2k5 Member UncommonPosts: 18
    Gold Sellers
    http://origin.webcdn.theblackdesertonline.net/forum/service_live/monthly_03_2016/3-13-2016_11-17-02_PM.jpg.ef1fc709cb89c14ed5b6dace01653779.jpg

    Ghillie suit
    http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/42534-the-ghillie-suit/
    https://gfycat.com/FrenchDistantEmeraldtreeskink

    Last post in this thread as its obvious we are both set on our positions.


  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    edited March 2016
    So be it then. I hope you find a game you enjoy. Based on what you wrote after the edit, it seems you'd prefer a themepark than a sandpark. In that regard, BDO doesn't have much endgame yet, so I guess you would find it boring.

    But just to be clear, I wasn't ever saying there's no gold spam. Just, what they are "selling" is an obvious scam, but apparently some people still fall for them.

  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Recore said:
    Black Desert Online's Trade System



    I almost logged in to AA just to slap my donkey after seeing this video
  • JDis25JDis25 Member RarePosts: 1,353
    edited March 2016
    It may take you a year or so of dedicated play to get remotely close to catching up on Archeage. You will also pay either a lot of $$ or put in a TON of hours.

    Black Desert is much more "fair" in my opinion. Look at  how easy it is to get a +15 Liverto in BDO vs. a divine fully gemmed Delphinaud weapon in AA. Now, it's not a better option because it's "easier" and it certainly isn't a free handout, however it allows new players to catch up to people who have played a long time. There is still "skin in the game" for sure, but it isn't as intense as AA.

    AAs market is also filled with real $$ influence. So if you want a Market free of real $ influence BDO is better. You can't trade directly, and everything has a set price range, but that is the best part because some stupid cash shop update isn't going to destroy the economy of the game. Everyone is going to have the same experience in making money from trading and from other professions/investments according to time invested and skill level. The stability is quite comforting to me anyways.

    Combat in BDO is 10x better than AA as well.
    Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War
    Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
  • BruhzaBruhza Member UncommonPosts: 391
    DMKano said:
    Bruhza said:
    zukster2k5 said:
    Bruhza said:
    I just quit BDO after 80~ hours played and level 50. My issue was it felt like a single player MMO.

    It was action combat with quick respawns so you didn't really have time to chit chat with people in gchat let alone area chat (chat bubbles lasted 2 seconds so you weren't gonna see it anyways). I felt if I didn't stop and run for out of the zone I was grinding to respond I would die.

    The economy was very restrictive. I can't tell you how many times I would find a rare crafting mat just to see there was 0 on the AH and think I would make a nice profit. Nope it was capped at 2k silver a unit and sold to the vendor for 700 (AH takes a 35% cut). And if you needed that mat to craft you would have to camp the AH for 30~45 mins to get that 5-10 you need to craft or go out and get it yourself which isn't always quick.

    Top it off with the Ghille suit (it was a cosmetic for $30 that made it so your nameplate never showed) BS and the game just wasn't for me.

    Archeage was full on P2W or that would be my ideal MMO. I came back for 2-3 months after 2.0 hit got about 13k gold and quit when I kept getting destroyed by people that had been rumored to spend 1k a month on cash shop items.

    If you can deal with P2W I would say Archeage hands down. Right now I wouldn't recommend Black Desert if your looking for a sandbox (if your ok with single player sandbox I guess its ok).
    I have to greatly disagree with this. It is true that you can play the game solo, however this is by far the most interaction with other players I have had in years when it comes to MMO's. 

    Also, it is what you make of it. If you sit down and search for a guild that is active then you have already solved your main problem with the game. (Also you can make other tabs in chat so you don't have to see the general chat)



    As far as the other things with Black Desert, it is to prevent Gold Traders and "paying to win". Also the fact that none of the items you get are soulbound, so you can just buy some strong weapon, give it to a low level and resell it later. There has to be some sort of money sink and frankly it gets the job done.

    For the Ghille suit you glow red when you enter combat or if you are marked as a criminal, so it really is a non-issue. If anything its a way for that player to avoid PvP rather than have any sort of advantage in it. Also the fact that you cannot see the gear other players are wearing, so attacking someone flat out is potentially instant death for said ghille suit user.



    Regarding the original post. Black Desert is by far the best MMO I have played in years, it is what a lot of people have been asking for but yet people (Due to being the internet, yay) will still find things to complain about. If your in the middle for both games, then it would come down to if you want action combat or not. Both games are an equal grind, but one has much heavier p2w element were as black desert has no ways of paying for better gear.

    You lost me at the Ghille suit being a non issue. Only way to get people to glow red is by having a dog. To get a dog you have to pay. And don't try and say Flares. You can get 9 a day from dailies and They have a 10 yard range and last 5 seconds. When your fighting in mostly forest areas and have insane mobility like some classes its broken.

    And the no trading is cutting off your nose to spite your face. And it didn't even work. Gold sellers are rampant in chat. Guess there's some exploit where you can still shift gold to someone.
    It's pretty clear you haven't done any PvP. They glow red when they are in PvP combat. As far as mobility goes, mobility is mobility, that's kind of the point of it is for you to lose track of them whether they have the suit or not.


    The treant suit is not P2W IMO however it provides a huge advantage in group PvP.

    Yes the name is treant not ghillie, I wish people would call it by its proper name but.. whatever 

    Example 20 v 20 one team has treant the other does not - in TeamSpeak you simply call out names of targets... easy as pie.

    Against treant suits in PvP you can't see names so can't call out focus fire by name have to say "kill middle wizard " - if they have like 4 of them and they are moving around - it causes problems.


    Bottom line glowing red doesn't mean shit in group  PvP, not being able to see names is HUGE
    Fair enough.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    Yeah but BDO needs serious improvments and fixing at least Archeage has no gold spam on my server, but toxic clans leading it split the faction apart and yarr AA lags compared to BDO.
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829
    BDO hands down for me. Especially since ArcheAge's vaunted "open world housing" comes with all sorts of issues I don't care for.

    1) You actually need to find a spot. (Probably not so much of an issue anymore these days)

    2) You have to keep paying RL money to keep what you worked so hard for. Which is what kills it for me. (Or alternatively, farm like a fiend and hope someone else is willing to pay for your patron status through the AH I suppose) Either way, if you leave the game, or stop playing for a while, bye bye house.

    My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)

    https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/

  • KatabelleKatabelle Member UncommonPosts: 16
    @rubydragon5 I really want to say ArcheAge is your bet, because you like playing the market.

    AA- You can trade land and sea, its more competitive especially guild wise, and there are pirates.
    Its a challenge

    BDO- Its mostly starting up, I haven't seen any hardcore ganking, but there is no sea trade, only land.

    Do you care much for player housing?

    AA - You must have a subscription for housing, and it is open world, build-anywhere (in housing zones)

    BDO: There are houses in every city you can buy, it's not willy nilly.

    AA: Free to play, yes it is Pay to Win. I love the clothing system, the housing is alright, the trading is good, the mounts and travel is nice, two-player mounts at the start. I love travel by air and sea.
    Its pretty, but I feel like PvP is more hardcore as well. I love the tutorial it shows you how to farm, boat, and build from the beginning. + a nice a mount. 

    BDO - Is deliciously beautiful. Parkour. Mounts are hard to get in the beginning. Its a donkey at first, slower than walking. Actually even a tier one horse is a bit slower than walking and sprint bursts.
    The housing is wonderful. The NPCs are alive and there is a day and night cycle. You will wear the same outfit for like the first 15-20 levels its annoying as hell. A bit grindy and the farming is alright, trading is alright. BUT I made a lot of frirends, the community is nice too!

    Hugs!

    Any questions do ask.

    -Kat
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    Lara Croft vs. Mario... who would win?
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  • KabulozoKabulozo Member RarePosts: 932
    Both games just deceived me, they promissed an old-school open world MMO, but sold some kind of casual hybrid game.
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