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Supporter Early Access to Begin April 30th

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited March 2016 in News & Features Discussion

imageSupporter Early Access to Begin April 30th

Though having been largely silent since late 2015, the Saga of Lucimia team is back with a big update, most notably ready to impart the news that supporter Early Access is ready to kick off on April 30th. To get folks excited about next month's big happenings, the team has produced and published a new video that you can check out below.

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  • ManarixManarix Member UncommonPosts: 98
    Call me negative, but nothing in that preview wants to make me pour another 100 dollar or more into a pre pre pre pre pre alpha state of a game.
    How about you pay me to test ?

    Currently playing browser games. Waiting for Albion Online, Citadel of Sorcery and Camelot Unchained.
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  • hyuteihyutei Member UncommonPosts: 52

    Manarix said:

    Call me negative, but nothing in that preview wants to make me pour another 100 dollar or more into a pre pre pre pre pre alpha state of a game.

    How about you pay me to test ?



    totaly agree with ya,early access games asking people to pay to help them find all buggs,like wtf,i dont mind when a company puts a price on their finished game,but asking us to pay so that we can help them out.......

    nowadays every game that is coming out all want early acces + ask for some extreme prices,i understand that no1 works for free,but srsly,this is such BS
  • WizbuizWizbuiz Member UncommonPosts: 215
    LOL agree, We gotta rewind this path we are going down as clients and customers, "Pay to play, before the game is made,, The reversed world! Make a product, offer it, ill evaluate the quality AND THEN DECIDE. We like you'r ideas guys, but if you really want to make it, eat baked beans, live in a trailer and work 24/7 and make your game without pay, if you dont have the liquidity to take a loan in the bank, or want to share you'r stocks with an investor. Welcome to the real world boys.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,660
    Well, at least that guy can't claim they have hit every date now that they had their first (small) delay. It's minor but their "PR" guy is just so annoying it makes you want to root against them.

    Oh well, this is one I would still play if they delivered what the promise but it seems incredibly unlikely that a team of amateures that never designed or delivered a game would succeed in making an MMORPG while working part time from remote locations.

    With Pantheon looking more like an actual "thing" at this point I don't even know if there is a real niche for this...

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  • RenfailRenfail Member EpicPosts: 1,638
    Thanks for the mention @SBFord. And thanks to @blueturtle13 for bringing it to your attention!

    We'll have another internal test on the 2nd of April with a few more of the features added in (we still have to get our party UI back up and going), so you can expect to see another video preview in a couple of weeks. 

    Then on to the 30th for our next public build for Early Access folks. 

    Cheers!
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    hyutei said:

    Manarix said:

    Call me negative, but nothing in that preview wants to make me pour another 100 dollar or more into a pre pre pre pre pre alpha state of a game.

    How about you pay me to test ?

    totaly agree with ya,early access games asking people to pay to help them find all buggs,like wtf,i dont mind when a company puts a price on their finished game,but asking us to pay so that we can help them out.......

    nowadays every game that is coming out all want early acces + ask for some extreme prices,i understand that no1 works for free,but srsly,this is such BS
    but in all fairness there is two points he is making.

    1. early access in general
    2. a game that offers nothing new.

    I buy early access games when I see a title that seems interesting and with features/content/approach that is new.

    oh and I never report bugs, I just play them for fun

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    They all look the same to me.
  • RenfailRenfail Member EpicPosts: 1,638


    Keep up the good work @Renfail look forward to your team's further progress.



    Cheers :)
    Tim "Renfail" Anderson | Wandering Hermits Patreon
  • RenfailRenfail Member EpicPosts: 1,638
    We'll also have another developer diary for MMORPG.com sometime in early April to let people behind the scenes on what we've been working on since last November, and what they can expect to see in the next build for April 30th, so stay tuned for that as well :) 

    Meantime, the best place to stay up to date on things is via our forums or social media.

    Back into the fray!
    Tim "Renfail" Anderson | Wandering Hermits Patreon
  • psiicpsiic Member RarePosts: 1,642
    I just rolled when reading their tiers. Kept going back and looking at their media and was like maybe $5, $10, $15, $20, and $25 tiers... maybe.
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member EpicPosts: 3,368
    All tiers from 500 to 4,000 dollars include a lifetime sub to the game of only 5 dollars a month

    so is going to be p2p?
  • RPGMASTERGAMERRPGMASTERGAMER Member UncommonPosts: 516
    edited March 2016
    im buying the 10 000$ tier

    seriously, how much drugs these dev take for go with these insane price??! higher and higher ??!!

    i remember when everyone was mad and crazy when neverwinter alpha was 200$...

    now dev ask way more....

    well i will start somewhere, and i never pay again for test a game not release.....

    give free key for try your game before ask for money to help you fix the game, when the game release peoples buy your game if that good crazy but back then it was working like that, alpha were free since you WERE helping dev fix these mess and error, now these game release full of bugs.... wonder why.... , your game not even done, full of bugs, people will spend money on empty promise yet again ??

  • RenfailRenfail Member EpicPosts: 1,638
    edited March 2016
    Warlyx said:
    All tiers from 500 to 4,000 dollars include a lifetime sub to the game of only 5 dollars a month

    so is going to be p2p?
    Yep. We are not a free to play title. The Volume I purchase comes with one month of free play, but after that, you'll be paying a monthly sub just like with Final Fantasy XIV and other games. 

    Monthly fees kick in once the game goes live in December of 2017. Ballpark of 15 USD per month (price not set in stone yet)

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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,056
    You know what? i am extremely cynical when it comes to Early Access and 'amateur' projects like this but watching that video, which had perfectly acceptable Alpha graphics btw, made me smile.

    For what you guys are doing it looks quite good so far. So yes, I am cynical about the actual 'meat' of the game but now I also am interested, will keep an eye on this one, thank you.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • RenfailRenfail Member EpicPosts: 1,638
    lahnmir said:
    You know what? i am extremely cynical when it comes to Early Access and 'amateur' projects like this but watching that video, which had perfectly acceptable Alpha graphics btw, made me smile.

    For what you guys are doing it looks quite good so far. So yes, I am cynical about the actual 'meat' of the game but now I also am interested, will keep an eye on this one, thank you.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Cheers; that's all we ask for :) 

    We ENCOURAGE cynicism, @lahnmir ;. Browse through our blog posts, our posts here, dev diaries, 225+ newsletters, 200+ YouTube videos over the past two years, and you'll regularly find us telling people to NOT give us any money via pre-orders unless they are 500% on board with what we're doing. Heck, just yesterday Giovanni was on our Facebook page telling a guy NOT to buy our game because they didn't understand what our Early Access program was, or how it worked. 

    We aren't a AAA company; we're a group of part-time developers who are doing this in our spare time outside of our day jobs, and building the game we want to see made. We've got a small and loyal community who grow larger every day, and we're having a blast building the game together!

    Since we're self-funded, the pre-orders don't go towards salaries; there's plenty of information on our site (including a blog post) that talks about where the money goes (lawyers, assets, convention attendance, etc.), and we've been working for two years now without a dime of anyone's money. 

    And we'll keep working until it's finished :) That's the beauty of having day jobs is that we aren't limited by a budgetary constraint when it comes to finishing our title. 

    So sit back, check in every few months, and if you like what you see, come play our game when it comes out. And if you get SUPER excited by something and want to be involved in the development, that's what the pre-orders are there for!

    We've still got a couple of years ahead of us, and another preview video coming out in a couple of weeks just ahead of our April 30th build for our supporters. Stick around and let us know what you think.
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  • RPGMASTERGAMERRPGMASTERGAMER Member UncommonPosts: 516
    edited March 2016
    if you have work on this game for 2 years on nothing why you dont do beta for free or more good price, 5 $ 15 $ 25 ?

    or go to a bank and take a loan ( they are usualy realy low ) im not sure why everyone should pay for your project?! when the product not even done... only in mmorpg this work, make people pay for something not even done or finish based on promise and dream... your game probably full of bugs, yet you ask for crazy high price, price even AAA dev with group who work ''FULL TIMES'' often dont even ask.

    why you do a 360 degree and ask for these high price ? im sure they are a reason, im guessing the reason and it make me sad....

    i was pretty interrested in this game but when you release these insane price it make me think the dev are not honest and will do yet another, hit the money and run
  • RenfailRenfail Member EpicPosts: 1,638
    if you have work on this game for 2 years on nothing why you dont do beta for free or more good price, 5 $ 15 $ 25 ?

    or go to a bank and take a loan ( they are usualy realy low ) im not sure why everyone should pay for your project?! when the product not even done... only in mmorpg this work, make people pay for something not even done or finish based on promise and dream... your game probably full of bugs, yet you ask for crazy high price, price even AAA dev with group who work ''FULL TIMES'' often dont even ask.

    why you do a 360 degree and ask for these high price ? im sure they are a reason, im guessing the reason and it make me sad....

    i was pretty interrested in this game but when you release these insane price it make me think the dev are not honest and will do yet another, hit the money and run
    psiic said:
    I just rolled when reading their tiers. Kept going back and looking at their media and was like maybe $5, $10, $15, $20, and $25 tiers... maybe.
    Wizbuiz said:
    LOL agree, We gotta rewind this path we are going down as clients and customers, "Pay to play, before the game is made,, The reversed world! Make a product, offer it, ill evaluate the quality AND THEN DECIDE. We like you'r ideas guys, but if you really want to make it, eat baked beans, live in a trailer and work 24/7 and make your game without pay, if you dont have the liquidity to take a loan in the bank, or want to share you'r stocks with an investor. Welcome to the real world boys.
    hyutei said:

    Manarix said:

    Call me negative, but nothing in that preview wants to make me pour another 100 dollar or more into a pre pre pre pre pre alpha state of a game.

    How about you pay me to test ?



    totaly agree with ya,early access games asking people to pay to help them find all buggs,like wtf,i dont mind when a company puts a price on their finished game,but asking us to pay so that we can help them out.......

    nowadays every game that is coming out all want early acces + ask for some extreme prices,i understand that no1 works for free,but srsly,this is such BS
    Manarix said:
    Call me negative, but nothing in that preview wants to make me pour another 100 dollar or more into a pre pre pre pre pre alpha state of a game.
    How about you pay me to test ?

    Just for you guys: 

    https://sagaoflucimia.com/five-reasons-not-to-pre-order-the-saga-of-lucimia/
    Tim "Renfail" Anderson | Wandering Hermits Patreon
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,660
    edited March 2016
    Renfail said:


    We ENCOURAGE cynicism, 
    Here is how he "encourages cynicism":

    Renfail-

    Same thing with the negative nancies who criticize us for running pre-orders and Early Access. /shrug/ We’re doing the same thing Shroud of the Avatar is doing, and we hold their same philosophy. You are either on board with it, or you aren’t. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to pre-order a copy of our game for Early Access.

    If you are on board with what we are doing, and want to support our team, HELL YEAH! Welcome aboard, fellow Lucimian! But if you want to debate Early Access, bitch about how you think it’s a cash grab, about how we shouldn’t be charging money for something that hasn’t even been released fully…there’s the door.

    Seriously. Fuck off. You aren’t our target audience, and we have zero inclination to change your mind. We’re too busy building our game, interacting with the people who matter to us: our backers and our community.


    Then there is the classic slap fight he got into with Bree over at MasisvelyOP... which if you read the site regularly you know if a damn hard thing to do:


    breetoplay moderatorOct 26, 2015

     I think it's a REALLY good idea to be clear about your game's goals to avoid tricking people into falling for a game whose design doc won't suit them. But that's not what's coming across. Here's basically what the dialogue is right now:


    "Our game is about grouping, and if you're not about grouping, you suck."

    "Hmm, I love grouping! But I don't like it when you say people suck."

    "That's because you suck. If you didn't suck, you wouldn't be upset at being told you suck. And our game is for people who don't suck."

    "I thought the game was for people who liked grouping?"

    "That's just what someone who sucks would say. Have a tissue."

    "..."


    breetoplay moderatorOct 26, 2015

    @gdmartello @breetoplay If your PR is designed specifically to make "people like me" -- sooo, classic MMO gamers who appreciate old-school design but don't like watching developers take a dump on the MMO community -- not want to play your game, then your audience isn't old-school group-centric PvE MMO players but old-school group-centric PvE MMO players who are also assholes. Or can tolerate assholes. My tolerance for this kind of bullshit is admittedly low.



    So umm... yeah.. I mean, when you piss off mild-mannered Bree you really can't say you "encourage cynicism"

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  • RenfailRenfail Member EpicPosts: 1,638
    Slapshot1188 said:

    snip

    Make sure you link to the whole article so people can read the comments in full, not just your rush-job copy/paste: http://massivelyop.com/2015/10/26/saga-of-lucimia-prides-itself-on-group-based-teamplay/

    And don't forget https://sagaoflucimia.com/our-world-our-way/
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  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    Aaahahahahaha. I needed a good laugh today.
  • thunderclesthundercles Member UncommonPosts: 510
    Looking good!
  • RenfailRenfail Member EpicPosts: 1,638
    SlyLoK said:
    Aaahahahahaha. I needed a good laugh today.
    Glad we could provide =P
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  • RenfailRenfail Member EpicPosts: 1,638

    Looking good!
    Thanks, @thundercles !
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  • RPGMASTERGAMERRPGMASTERGAMER Member UncommonPosts: 516
    SlyLoK said:
    Aaahahahahaha. I needed a good laugh today.
    will you take the 10 000$ one like me or the 8k one ??

    lol
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