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Not doing the LOTR justice
Nilden
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After reading the feature list and the FAQ on the official LOTR:Online site I feel that this game is not doing the Lord of the Rings justice.
My main beef?
I want to play as the good or the bad, defend or attack helms deep, and know that those elves or orcs I'm killing are other people. LOTR while being the story of a fellowship was about the entire fate of man, elf, dwarf, and hobbit. Every good race helped put a stop to evil. I want PVP. Not to sit in the shire as a lvl 50 orc ganking lvl 1 hobbits but to be part of an army in a siege on a keep. Bring up the battering ram, climb the ladders and try to take the walls! Lord of the Rings has a great setup for evil vs good pvp. Just do it right.
The "no" list
no pvp
no mounts
no houses
no playing evil
I didn't even see anything about boats, castles, keeps, siege warfare, and the like but considering they won't even have mounts I'll just assume I'm not going to be seeing any ents destroy a tower.
Don't get me wrong I love Lord of the Rings and the screenshots look great but the gameplay design decisions they made just seem to cripple this games potential.
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So i gues you havent read the FAQ on their website then ? try go here -->http://lotro.turbine.com/?page_id=56 and read the FAQ. Most of the things you say here, they say they wont put in at launch, which means that they properly will get it in later in a expansion or so.
Sadly, I think most people will have moved on by the time that expansion goes gold.
I love LOTR, both the books and the movies, but I don't see myself even trying this game.
If there are some really positive developments prior to launch, I'll probably be curious though
When they say they might add it later I think why is it not in when they launch? I mean come on Riders of Rohan, the horselords, with no horses? Those features I listed should be standard at launch. Hence why I feel they are not doing the LOTR justice.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/mainly because most of the evil forces were just mindless slaves? And no free will to go off and do their own thing? Playing a orc or whatnot just isnt justifiable in the world, if lotr would introduce side vs side with pvp or just competitive pve, it would be 2 different factions of humans, or something along those lines.
But honestly I love pvp, but HONESTLY pvp is not that important. What keeps people playing, running around killing people randomly? Or actual physical rewards from pve, and hard encounters and advancing storylines? You may quote to me games like daoc, or shadowbane, but honestly, those games are not doing that well... not very well at all. The most popular mmo on the market(wow, dont give me bs about lineage/lineage 2, its been proven that alot of their accounts are not even actively played, just a account off of a internet cafe or some such thing that is bought off of time based subscription, and as long as there is 1 minute left on the account, they count it.) is heavily based on pve(about 95% of the game), in fact the more wow goes on the more they discourage pvp.
Heres wow pvp horde vs alliance(im not talking about bgs, those are just poorly designed mini games and are not pvp.), hey theres a guy over there, shank shank shank, oh i just got shanked, meanwhile your trying to do pve to advance. EQ2 comes next on the pvp servers, there is actual world pvp there, but the focus is still pve, and its not the pvp that keeps people playing the game(honestly cant claim it is, if you dont like eq2s pve you wont like the pvp).
People claim it to be a major falling point of the game, but truthfully pvp is nothing important in a mmo. And it never will be.
Now just to save time.
<insert 10 more posts about new games coming out that "bring pvp to life">
yaya heard it all before, im just waiting till all these games comes out and they arent the "omg wtf awesome game never will be better, omg my heart stopped from the awesomeness of this wild crazy game, that mystically solved every problem that plagues mmos" and they arent that.
I have to agree with the OP. When game developers rush to put out a product rather than refining it and placing on the necessary goodies that should be there, the game will fail. The key to a good MMORPG are the following.
1. Player choices and options, ie. Playing good, evil, PvP, or not to PvP. These choices should be made by the players and made available by the developer. Limiting the players to good only, non PvP is limiting your player base, which is always a bad idea. There should always be PvP and non PvP servers and or designated areas to allow for these decisions based on play style. I'm not saying PvP is better than PvE, but if you give the player base options you will have a bigger player base and a more successful game.
2. If it has a theme stick to it. - Its LOTR, it has to feel like LOTR, and it has to play like LOTR. There should be mounts, there should be combat from horseback, all the things you see in the movies or read in the books should be in the game. If not, then its not LOTR, and the fans who love the movies and books, who want to play the game will be the ones most disappointed, and might possibly keep them away from it.
3. Listen to the players. More often than not developers don't listen to the player base and think that their ideas are revolutionary or something and try to force them onto the player base. As an experience player of MMO's I have seen that this lack of flexibility often kills a game quicker than not.
They are leaving far too many things out of this game that really need to be there. As far as I am concerned and from what I have seen Turbine is simply lazy, they have no creativity (hence why they got LOTR and D&D in the first place), and have no real vision for what makes a game great and what players really want. Turbine will blow this one, which is a shame, and no expansion will save it once you doom the core game.
Yep I agree with the first post. I remember playing AC1 and having a blast, there was just so much to do and so many great features. Just lots of small things that made it a great game. There was tons of weapons, loads of skills, quests, items, places to buy and sell and explore.
Then they started work on AC2 and said the exact same things they are saying now. Talking about all the stuff that the game is going to have in up coming patches, of course they never came. I think the main reason was that the game wasn't very impressive at the start and nothing like AC1. Then they said to themselves, well why should we go to the expense of creating these features if we aren't gonna make any cash? Well people would have stayed from the start if you had all the stuff you promised in from launch instead af handing them a half finished game to play.
You can't do the same thing with the LOTRs universe, because people have expectations as to what is in that world. I want to charge out of Helms Deep behind King Theoden, and slam into tons of Uruk-Hai. How ever i'm sure when playing LOTR my quest will be to kill 10 Orcs and bring back a ring to some farmer.
It's boring, it's been done, try some thing new.
Like the books and movies, this game will be like a trilogy. The game will represent the Fellowship of the ring. Besides the ponys that the hobbits owned, horses had no significant part of the book, and thus will not be in the first game. I do agree there should be player housing but I dont mind not having it. Just a way of thinking about.
P.S. Dont get me started with pvp.
I haven't seen any licensed product, or even loosely based on an already established universe that isn't a computer/console game already, ever do the original justice.
Take that back, Duke Nukem 3D wasn't nearly as fun as the 2D ones, Contra Force sucked even though Contra was fun, FFX-2 was better than FFX (fun in play wise, story was worse), Quake 3 is worse than Quake 2 yet to play Quake 4 though...so i guess even computer series rarely do justice to the good ones too ; ;
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Damn, the license should be sold to a asian development company.
They made the best PvP games, the characters look great and the graphics are awsome, everything works right and the characters are graphicly made to its specific class, and you really feel in touch with your character.
I hope turbine doesn't mess up with this amazing fantasy story......their characters look horribel( realistic heads with ugly and unrealistic bodys & many other things such as armors which i won't comment) but seriously i hope that they add PvP at least or this game will be a failure from its start.
I hope thay lauch the game when it's complete, otherwise it'll be crap.
Oh well, however we should give them a try and see what they are up too.Good feeling from now on:PP