From what I've seen in the BDO cash shop, I wouldn't call the game P2W...yet. But it would be bad business to put strong advantage items in the cash shop straight away. First let the players get invested in the game, let them get addicted, then introduce pay to win items. People will complain, some will leave but many will stay and buy said items. That's how I'd do it if I wanted to maximize profit off a F2P MMO.
The more common recent trend is to put the P2W items in "exclusive" and/or "time limited" RNG lockboxes.
That way, nobody can complain that OP items can be bought directly from the cash shop ! It also has the benefit of making the items in question ten times more expensive than they appear to be, on average...
How dare they put a pricetag on something they've been working for years!
and than he said "we were force to buy the game"... rofl! i can't remember that someone knocked on my door and put a gun on my head and said "buy BDO or die"....
p2w is defind in the gaming community as getting a advantage over another player by means of using cash. if these supposed items make it faster for you to rise in power compared to another player who doesn't buy the pet,suit, and what not how is that not p2w? because having a advantage as faster and stronger are both competitive edges against the next guy.
Never again asian games! They start as super awesome revolutionary games but every time i got burned.And eventually people realise that are just money sponge.Don't take my word just check the facts. Sorry for the fan boys that are gona rage over this.For the others peace and western games FTW!
But there is more p2w in most western mmos. For example, GW2 lets you basically just convert cash to gold and has all those xp boosts etc, ESO lets you buy horse upgrades, gear customization, xp boosts, skill lines (vampire/werewolf), WoW lets you buy a fully leveled character, etc.
In addition take a look at some upcoming Western games, some are basically money siphons even before being released selling p2w items for thousands of dollars. Yeah, Western games FTW.
I don't think you fully understand what p2w means. In the games that you give as example i can do the same things without pay a single penny only take more time.I don't say BDO have strong p2w system ...but i still dont like it and it is my own opinion of course and i chose not to play it. Peace ✌
You can also do all the activities in BDO as well without any cash shop purchase, except there is less p2w in BDO than in the other western games I mentioned and it is cheaper.
They are already trying to find a solution on the Ghillie suit. They won't remove it or it's effect but they might make an item ingame that has the same effect temporarily.
In the Q&A one of them liked the idea of having a craftable potion that hid your name for a period of time.
I think the OP debunked his own argument when he called the items he lists "gaining an advantage". Which is totally different to pay to win.
Sure, you pay to gain an advantage in BDO. Some of the marketing has been quite slimey as well, more the worst of F2P than B2P, Daum has not covered itself in glory.....we wait to see whether it's outright greed, or insecurity about the future income of the game. But it's not pay to win.
If you're standing toe to toe with someone fighting and can magically pause the fight to buy something from the CS, there is NOTHING that will make you stronger in the fight in any way.
I think the OP debunked his own argument when he called the items he lists "gaining an advantage". Which is totally different to pay to win.
Sure, you pay to gain an advantage in BDO. Some of the marketing has been quite slimey as well, more the worst of F2P than B2P, Daum has not covered itself in glory.....we wait to see whether it's outright greed, or insecurity about the future income of the game. But it's not pay to win.
If you're standing toe to toe with someone fighting and can magically pause the fight to buy something from the CS, there is NOTHING that will make you stronger in the fight in any way.
Calling it pay to win is ignorant.
LMAO.
If I only could use a sticky function. Good job friend. You destroyed my arguments.
Person A and B plays 10 hours a day equally. Person A and B are in different guilds currently at War. Person A owns the pets and the Guilly suit while person B does not. In two weeks which person would you think would be father along in the game and would be able to defeat the other, Person A or Person B.
Person A and B plays 10 hours a day equally. Person A and B are in different guilds currently at War. Person A owns the pets and the Guilly suit while person B does not. In two weeks which person would you think would be father along in the game and would be able to defeat the other, Person A or Person B.
The person that knows how to play his class.
If player 1 fights player 2 but player 1 bought items from the cash shop. Will he have an unfair advantage over player 2? Currently, no.
Being able to hide your name is the equivalent of a light stealth potion which alchemists can do in many games.
Person A and B plays 10 hours a day equally. Person A and B are in different guilds currently at War. Person A owns the pets and the Guilly suit while person B does not. In two weeks which person would you think would be father along in the game and would be able to defeat the other, Person A or Person B.
The person that knows how to play his class.
If player 1 fights player 2 but player 1 bought items from the cash shop. Will he have an unfair advantage over player 2? Currently, no.
Being able to hide your name is the equivalent of a light stealth potion which alchemists can do in many games.
Can player B or 2 as you call it make this Stealth Potion in BDO? Did I include whether each player knows how to play his class? Lets also include "all things being equal" in my logic test and not look for outside claims to perpetuate your arguments. Lets assume they are the same class and race and have the same amount of skill. who in your mind would win either player A(1) or B(2)? this is meant to separate all the unknown quantities and look for the most basic truth. does player A(1) have a advantage. full discloser I do not even play this game.
On another note, you're a complete idiot. This isn't anymore P2W than Guild Wars 2 was. Stop overreacting.
I'm really interested, when would be the tipping point for people like you? how outrageous would the microtransaction monetization need to get in order for you to say: "Hang on, thats abit unfair".
Maybe its a cultural thing? seems like people in general are ignorant of the slippery slope then crack the shits when we hit the point of no return?
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Person A and B plays 10 hours a day equally. Person A and B are in different guilds currently at War. Person A owns the pets and the Guilly suit while person B does not. In two weeks which person would you think would be father along in the game and would be able to defeat the other, Person A or Person B.
The person that knows how to play his class.
If player 1 fights player 2 but player 1 bought items from the cash shop. Will he have an unfair advantage over player 2? Currently, no.
Being able to hide your name is the equivalent of a light stealth potion which alchemists can do in many games.
Can player B or 2 as you call it make this Stealth Potion in BDO? Did I include whether each player knows how to play his class? Lets also include "all things being equal" in my logic test and not look for outside claims to perpetuate your arguments. Lets assume they are the same class and race and have the same amount of skill. who in your mind would win either player A(1) or B(2)? this is meant to separate all the unknown quantities and look for the most basic truth. does player A(1) have a advantage. full discloser I do not even play this game.
The suit only hides your name, won't make you a god.
If player 2 sees him, the advantage is nullified. If he doesn't, player 1 had the opportunity to ambush player 2. No extra damage, just the possibility to ambush and/or avoid fights.
As I previously said, Daum are thinking on adding something similar ingame. Won't be a costume obviously.
Person A and B plays 10 hours a day equally. Person A and B are in different guilds currently at War. Person A owns the pets and the Guilly suit while person B does not. In two weeks which person would you think would be father along in the game and would be able to defeat the other, Person A or Person B.
The person that knows how to play his class.
If player 1 fights player 2 but player 1 bought items from the cash shop. Will he have an unfair advantage over player 2? Currently, no.
Being able to hide your name is the equivalent of a light stealth potion which alchemists can do in many games.
Can player B or 2 as you call it make this Stealth Potion in BDO? Did I include whether each player knows how to play his class? Lets also include "all things being equal" in my logic test and not look for outside claims to perpetuate your arguments. Lets assume they are the same class and race and have the same amount of skill. who in your mind would win either player A(1) or B(2)? this is meant to separate all the unknown quantities and look for the most basic truth. does player A(1) have a advantage. full discloser I do not even play this game.
The suit only hides your name, won't make you a god.
If player 2 sees him, the advantage is nullified. If he doesn't, player 1 had the opportunity to ambush player 2. No extra damage, just the possibility to ambush and/or avoid fights.
As I previously said, Daum are thinking on adding something similar ingame. Won't be a costume obviously.
Doesn't seem like anyone wants to answer....all you have to say is No player A(1) would be on Total Equal Terms with Player B(2) and the fight would be decided on other factors
stop defending this shit p2w game, your arguments are invalid, if you cant get it any other way than paying real cash for it and it give you some advantage it is p2win...
P2W has become such a meaningless cliche that I just shake my head when people say it about every new game.
It's always the same people who make fun of non-functional fluffy stuff in the cash shop that get outraged when anything they sell has actual value beyond vanity.
Do you really think that any non-sub game, whether it has an entry cost or not, could survive with just vanity fluff for sale?
Give your thinking bits a shake.
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Doesn't seem like anyone wants to answer....all you have to say is No player A(1) would be on Total Equal Terms with Player B(2) and the fight would be decided on other factors
But I did answer it. On the first reply.
"If player 1 fights player 2 but player 1 bought items from the cash shop. Will he have an unfair advantage over player 2? Currently, no."
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That way, nobody can complain that OP items can be bought directly from the cash shop ! It also has the benefit of making the items in question ten times more expensive than they appear to be, on average...
LMAO good one.
How dare they put a pricetag on something they've been working for years!
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
There is no such thing as "P2W", meaningless derogatory term the envious/poor use to point fingers at things they cannot afford.
Money will buy you stuff, usually more money get you better things, games are no exception to this and it is all fine. [mod edit]
I won the game for only $18. I feel bad that the OP can't afford $18.
In the Q&A one of them liked the idea of having a craftable potion that hid your name for a period of time.
If you dont PAY you can never WIN.
Or am i missing somthing ?
Sure, you pay to gain an advantage in BDO. Some of the marketing has been quite slimey as well, more the worst of F2P than B2P, Daum has not covered itself in glory.....we wait to see whether it's outright greed, or insecurity about the future income of the game. But it's not pay to win.
If you're standing toe to toe with someone fighting and can magically pause the fight to buy something from the CS, there is NOTHING that will make you stronger in the fight in any way.
Calling it pay to win is ignorant.
If I only could use a sticky function. Good job friend. You destroyed my arguments.
If player 1 fights player 2 but player 1 bought items from the cash shop. Will he have an unfair advantage over player 2? Currently, no.
Being able to hide your name is the equivalent of a light stealth potion which alchemists can do in many games.
Maybe its a cultural thing? seems like people in general are ignorant of the slippery slope then crack the shits when we hit the point of no return?
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If player 2 sees him, the advantage is nullified. If he doesn't, player 1 had the opportunity to ambush player 2. No extra damage, just the possibility to ambush and/or avoid fights.
As I previously said, Daum are thinking on adding something similar ingame. Won't be a costume obviously.
Wait, no it's not.
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Doesn't seem like anyone wants to answer....all you have to say is No player A(1) would be on Total Equal Terms with Player B(2) and the fight would be decided on other factors
It's always the same people who make fun of non-functional fluffy stuff in the cash shop that get outraged when anything they sell has actual value beyond vanity.
Do you really think that any non-sub game, whether it has an entry cost or not, could survive with just vanity fluff for sale?
Give your thinking bits a shake.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
"If player 1 fights player 2 but player 1 bought items from the cash shop. Will he have an unfair advantage over player 2? Currently, no."