Why I quit WOW

Mike-McQueen · March 2006

First and foremost was the inability to be unique in any way. If my dwarf warrior at level 60 took off all his gear he would be the same as the next naked level 60 dwarf warrior which just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The eq drive is crap as well. Everyone is essentially going after the same top end items.

I personally am huge on PvP but WoW just didn't do it for me. You go into a battleground and you're garaunteed to die upteen times in just a short while. There's no escaping death and there's no real malus for dieing either which irks the hell out of me.

I had fun for awhile, even after level 60 when my guild got bigger and we started doing the high end raids like molten core and blackwing lair, but time became the issue. When it launched Blizzard went on and on about how they are catering to those who don't have the huge amounts of time to play but all they did was implement a rest system so you could get double exp when you come back from a couple days away. Once you hit level 60 exp is a moot point and all that's left is getting better eq and higher rank...which takes hours upon hours of PvPing or raiding.

In the end it was one final battle that made me decide to quit this game forever. I was in an Arathi Basin PvP skirmishes, I think it's 10 vs 10 or some such and I kept getting annihilated in a couple hits from this human paladin whos name is lost to me. He must've killed me 20 some odd times before the battle ended and I made special note to check his kills and deaths which he had killed a ton more than anybody else and died 0 times. When I got out of the instance I seen him standing on the steps of the place in Ironforge and examined his gear. He had full Lawbringer epic armor, some crazy epic trinkets and what not, plus the legendary weapon, the Hand of Ragnaros for those who are familiar with the game. So on my guild channel I was like "This paladin is decked! yada yada" and one of my guild mates goes "yeah ive seen him, you know that player is only 13 in real life?". So now here I am a 25 year old experienced PvP heavy gamer getting tooled by a kid in junoir high just because he has all day to rock those instances and gather that gear.

That game is completely skillless and time-demanding. If you don't have days to spend in the high end raids you're basically lamed out. That is why I told myself, "Game over."

IcoGames · March 2006

Originally posted by ELE3551
In the end it was one final battle that made me decide to quit this game forever. I was in an Arathi Basin PvP skirmishes, I think it's 10 vs 10 or some such and I kept getting annihilated in a couple hits from this human paladin whos name is lost to me. He must've killed me 20 some odd times before the battle ended and I made special note to check his kills and deaths which he had killed a ton more than anybody else and died 0 times. When I got out of the instance I seen him standing on the steps of the place in Ironforge and examined his gear. ...

Granted, I don't spend a lot of time in battlegrounds, but I wasn't aware that you could fight your own faction.

Either way, good luck in your future mmo endeavors. ^_^

Bama1267 · March 2006

Originally posted by ELE3551
In the end it was one final battle that made me decide to quit this game forever. I was in an Arathi Basin PvP skirmishes, I think it's 10 vs 10 or some such and I kept getting annihilated in a couple hits from this human paladin whos name is lost to me. He must've killed me 20 some odd times before the battle ended and I made special note to check his kills and deaths which he had killed a ton more than anybody else and died 0 times. When I got out of the instance I seen him standing on the steps of the place in Ironforge and examined his gear. ...

PWND, your story just got tooled too!

LAMER

cheggelund · March 2006

I also cancelled my WoW account. My reason for doing so was the lack of casual gamer content at level 60. They needed a lot more smaller instances with good loot for those of us that can't or don't enjoy 40 man raids.

--my 2 cents anyway

Bama1267 · March 2006

Originally posted by cheggelund

I also cancelled my WoW account. My reason for doing so was the lack of casual gamer content at level 60. They needed a lot more smaller instances with good loot for those of us that can't or don't enjoy 40 man raids.

--my 2 cents anyway

eh....thats what the new upcoming patch is for. Although my verdict is still out on it untill I see how long the instance runs will be with the new changes.

croyal · March 2006

Originally posted by IcoGames

Originally posted by ELE3551
In the end it was one final battle that made me decide to quit this game forever. I was in an Arathi Basin PvP skirmishes, I think it's 10 vs 10 or some such and I kept getting annihilated in a couple hits from this human paladin whos name is lost to me. He must've killed me 20 some odd times before the battle ended and I made special note to check his kills and deaths which he had killed a ton more than anybody else and died 0 times. When I got out of the instance I seen him standing on the steps of the place in Ironforge and examined his gear. ...

Granted, I don't spend a lot of time in battlegrounds, but I wasn't aware that you could fight your own faction.

Either way, good luck in your future mmo endeavors. ^_^

in a trolls world you can

ridenar · March 2006

I'm kind of sick of posts that goOMG I lost because kids in the game have all the time in the world to play and farm epic gear"......<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Lets say Bliz take pity on your kind and hand out Epic's and Legendary items like toffees so gear is essentially a level playing field.

The players that pvp 40 hours a week are still going to pawn players that pvp 5 hours a week and always will.

You dont play 40 hours a week and not learn a thing or two.

It's not unfair it's a reflection of real life.....

If myself and a friend start playing Pool at the same time, and I practice for 5 hours a week and he practices for 40 hours a week, and after 3 months we have a few matches. He's going to pawn me every time...

Look at it in reverse...

Why should a player who only plays now and again be able to beat a player that lives and breaths the game?

Now that would be unfair and unbalanced.

IcoGames · March 2006

Lol, OP got pwned. ^_^

brihtwulf · March 2006

WoW at its very core is a game for harcore power-gamers. You should have known this going into it or at least found it out before you hit level 60. It's not meant to be successful for casual gamers. It's a huge time sink and requires hundreds of hours to reach end-game. But then again, most MMOs are like this. They want the world to be immersive and for it to be a big challenge to master the game. Now, it's not to say you can't play the game if you're a casual gamer, it's just not going to be as productive of an experience than if you have 40+ hours a week to sink into the game.

Either way, the OP seems to just have an immature, jealous position on the game. He wants to be the best, but doesn't want to have to work for it like everyone else.

IcoGames · March 2006

I doubt the OP ever played ...

Scaris · March 2006

Originally posted by brihtwulf
WoW at its very core is a game for harcore power-gamers. You should have known this going into it or at least found it out before you hit level 60. It's not meant to be successful for casual gamers. It's a huge time sink and requires hundreds of hours to reach end-game. But then again, most MMOs are like this. They want the world to be immersive and for it to be a big challenge to master the game. Now, it's not to say you can't play the game if you're a casual gamer, it's just not going to be as productive of an experience than if you have 40+ hours a week to sink into the game.
Either way, the OP seems to just have an immature, jealous position on the game. He wants to be the best, but doesn't want to have to work for it like everyone else.

Your joking right? You have to be joking...

Erethorn · March 2006

I quit WOW for the very same reason. You kids either don't want to understand or are unable to understand this: the people complaining about the time spent ingame / actual skill imbalance don't want to be uber without work.

We want a game were you have a fair chance of being succesful because of our skill. In WOW you stand NO chance at succes in PVP unless you spend countless hours farming the instances. You know that, you just don't understand what it means. Unfortunately for you, you don't know what the taste of victory, the real taste, the real feeling of acomplishment is. It's the taste you get in GW after you manage to defeat the opposing team because of your skillful choice of builds, because of your teamwork, because of being able to anticipate and cleverly counter the opponent's build and tactics. In WOW the feeling is more like "woot, I'm so uber, I two shot that guy with my legendary uber sword of uberness, I'm so better than him".

Let me ask you a question: what if blizzard changed the rules of PvP so that:

1. everyone enters the battlegrounds with the same equipment, standard armor and weapons, equal for all players.

2. The PvP ranking is based not on the total number of kills, but on the kill/deaths ratio, so that a guy who PvP-ed for an hour and had 30 kills and 5 deaths ranks better than the guy who played for 8 hours and had 300 kills and 250 deaths.

Do you think the current PvP rankings would change ? Do you think the same guys would be on top of the server rankings ? What do you think, would YOUR ranking go up or down ?

Anofalye · March 2006

I hope you find a nice MMO out there, cause I am still LFMMO.

However, my gripe is different. I don't mind hoarding and farming endlessly, I do mind however what they ask me to hoard and farm, there is no way I will PvP or Raid to please some lazy devs. I want to group/solo, and WoW can't offer anything nice on those grounds anymore than EQ or any other MMO. In facts, CoV/CoH is the less bad on this topic, and they are still not doing it properly.

I do agree that a zone with level and gear cap with it own ranking would definitely be appealing to a lot of players, a big minority (much bigger than the raiders at any rate). Me I just want my ultimate LDoN.

But nonetheless, it suck to realize a MMO which you found fun and with a lot of potential is inherently flawed to the core, up to the point you can't enjoy it. Eventually a good MMO will come out.

If you care for PvP, CoV might be just as imbalanced as WoW, but the end game system is far less developped, thereby far less bad. Auto Assault might be very nice on the PvP, I am planning to play it even without participating in the PvP (I will try it, but odds are that I will not like it much, losing 20% of the time is losing WAY to much...now in a 3 realm setting, odds are that I will lose 67% of the time, let's say I rock it would still be like 50%, which is losing a hell lot too much)

Fadeus is funny, he consider that this game is any different than EQ. It is the tutorial compared to EQ, but an overgrown tutorial with all it flaws...including the nasty end game and some alternative PvP system which seem to be just as bad as raiding is.

PS: To the guy talking about the kills/ratio, to be really good, the kill/ratio would have to be far more than number, but a comparaison to your opponent rating, like the chess ranking system...killing someone ahead of you mean you advance a LOT, killing folks behind you mean you advance barely...dying to someone better than you mean you lose little, but dying to a noob mean you just lost a hell lot of points.

ridenar · March 2006

Originally posted by Erethorn

I quit WOW for the very same reason. You kids either don't want to understand or are unable to understand this: the people complaining about the time spent ingame / actual skill imbalance don't want to be uber without work.
We want a game were you have a fair chance of being succesful because of our skill. In WOW you stand NO chance at succes in PVP unless you spend countless hours farming the instances. You know that, you just don't understand what it means. Unfortunately for you, you don't know what the taste of victory, the real taste, the real feeling of acomplishment is. It's the taste you get in GW after you manage to defeat the opposing team because of your skillful choice of builds, because of your teamwork, because of being able to anticipate and cleverly counter the opponent's build and tactics. In WOW the feeling is more like "woot, I'm so uber, I two shot that guy with my legendary uber sword of uberness, I'm so better than him".
Let me ask you a question: what if blizzard changed the rules of PvP so that:
1. everyone enters the battlegrounds with the same equipment, standard armor and weapons, equal for all players.
2. The PvP ranking is based not on the total number of kills, but on the kill/deaths ratio, so that a guy who PvP-ed for an hour and had 30 kills and 5 deaths ranks better than the guy who played for 8 hours and had 300 kills and 250 deaths.
Do you think the current PvP rankings would change ? Do you think the same guys would be on top of the server rankings ? What do you think, would YOUR ranking go up or down ?

Sorry guys all I see here is more I would have a chance to win in PVP as a casual player if gear was an even field...

explain that one to me again...

you play now and again and you come across someone who pvp's 40 hours a week, you both have the same gear and YOU are going to win cause you have a well thought out strategy...

time to get a clue I think.

I know 20 years olds hate kids in epics because they can farm gear 12 hours a day and wipe the floor with you in PVP

has it even occured that playing the game that much might actually make them a good pvper?

So for all your 'They only win because of the gear' comments, given a skill system, you play now and again and they play 40 hours a week who's gonna have the most skill? ain't gonna be you now is it.

chances are they could take their epics off and still wipe the floor with you.

Celestian · March 2006

Originally posted by IcoGames
Lol, OP got pwned. ^_^

Give yourself a slap on the back dork.

You can easily make a alliance or horde character.

You can't dismiss the fact that end game wow is raid, grind faction, or grind for items or play 24/7 pvp if you want to get rank 14.

End game WoW blows. 1-59 was great. As to new patches? hah, the minute amount of crap they are adding doesn't add up to 1/2 what they add for raiders. The fact is the game caters to those types and if you are casual just make a alt at 60 or cancel.

IcoGames · March 2006

Lol, I'm sure that's the case Celestian.

Lets examine some other aspects of his post. He states that he died 20 odd times to the same player in AB, while also making the claim that he's an avid PvPer. I can't remember the last time I died 20 times in AB, let alone to the same player. That tells me the OP has either never played WoW, or if he did, didn't take even a minimal amount of time to learn the game.

Gear plays a role in pvp, however gear alone doesn't make a good pvper. I have a few pieces of giantstalker gear and my bow is the Strikers Mark, everything else is either a blue or green item. Somehow I manage to do just fine in pvp.

DuraheLL · March 2006

xD You can either be BAD or NORMAL in PvP in WoW (And most other MMORPG). Either you are bad and lose no matter what or you play "like you should play your class" as everyone else plays it and lets your gear decide (and the luck with crits and so on) who is going to win.

I find this to be the absolute lamest aspect of MMORPG's, I really think it's time to reconsider the whole level+gear based combat system, it's growing MOLD.

Shayde · March 2006

Originally posted by Fadeus
Originally posted by brihtwulf
WoW at its very core is a game for harcore power-gamers. You should have known this going into it or at least found it out before you hit level 60. It's not meant to be successful for casual gamers. It's a huge time sink and requires hundreds of hours to reach end-game. But then again, most MMOs are like this. They want the world to be immersive and for it to be a big challenge to master the game. Now, it's not to say you can't play the game if you're a casual gamer, it's just not going to be as productive of an experience than if you have 40+ hours a week to sink into the game.
Either way, the OP seems to just have an immature, jealous position on the game. He wants to be the best, but doesn't want to have to work for it like everyone else.

Your joking right? You have to be joking...

Or a moron for thinking the WoW endgame is the goal.

Or that some PVP kid that wins a lot is the "best".

Hell.. WoW probably does the most to cater to casual gamers than any game I have played. Resting XP rocks. I'm a casual gamer, and feel I'm missing out on NOTHING.

Guess it is all how you measure your e-peen.

brihtwulf · March 2006

The topic was on the guy talking about people "better" than him in PvP. You CAN play WoW as a casual gamer, just like you CAN play any other game that way. The point is how you will come out compared to other players. I never said the only thing to WoW was the endgame, but after you hit 60 do you really need to keep doing the same thing over and over again with alts? There are only so many quests in the game, and if you do it right the first time you'll probably run justr about all of them for your faction. Games need to have a good endgame to satisfy their players and keep them around in the long term.

The endgame/PvP aspect is not about an even playing field for casual vs. harcore gamers. The players who spend countless hours farming for equipment will come out with a big advantage over any casual gamer who doesn't have time or want to waste what time they have doing the same thing. My friends made it to 60 and quit. Luckily I didn't waste my time following in their footsteps.

I enjoyed WoW, and it's one of the best (if not THE best) games on the MMO market. But you can't go waliking around with your head up your ass thinking it has no bad qualities just because you "love" it so much. You shouldn't have to farm in a game to play the game. Now, asian MMO fans will argue that because they love games like L2, but most people find it boring and pointless (particularly casual gamers). Do Shayde, you claim to be a casual gamer and you say for you the game is about lvls 1-59. How many alts are you going to make before you just get sick of the same-old same-old routine?

I just hate people coming in with some holier-than-thou attitude about their prescious little pet game and anyone who brings up a legitimate complaint about the game needs to be flamed. It's not the worst game in the world, but it's also not my reason for living. Get out... Get a life... Get a clue... But most of all, Get off my ass...

*_*TheOne · March 2006

Originally posted by ELE3551

That game is completely skillless and time-demanding. If you don't have days to spend in the high end raids you're basically lamed out. That is why I told myself, "Game over."

develpors had to consider all kinds of player, maybe you are so skill liker but lots of people arent, keeping balance is so important, but anyway blizzard also should work better

Shayde · March 2006

Originally posted by brihtwulf
So Shayde, you claim to be a casual gamer and you say for you the game is about lvls 1-59. How many alts are you going to make before you just get sick of the same-old same-old routine?

Got me.. maybe 6?

I'll quit when the game is no longer fun... or I run out of things to do. Haven't scratched the surface with the content. That, and with the expansion there's more to do.

I'm not some sicophantic fanboy who claims that WoW can do no wrong. But it is the most stable, bug-free, content filled MMORPG out there.. head and shoulders above everyone.

I hope a game company really looks at what Blizzard did right. The only people to come close was CoH.

DuraheLL · March 2006

Originally posted by Shayde
is the most stable, bug-free, content filled MMORPG out there.. head and shoulders above everyone.

I absolutely agree that they fix bugs well and the game runs smooth! But that is what it is, a game that is easy going and streamed.

WoW has actually almost no real content, there are not many options to do or roads to go. It is simply a fun game and a fast game. But with little content.

That is not negative at all since what captures most gamers is smoothness and the right "feel" of the combat flow and the right feel in damage that attacks deal and so on and so on. That everything feels solid from start, but WoW just doesn't fit people who seek a game that tries "all theese crazy things". Like risky PvP, sandboxing and so on.

Whatever the case everyone SHOULD try WoW just once, it's really a superB game! But to me only in the short run.

paravion · March 2006

Originally posted by IcoGames

Originally posted by ELE3551
In the end it was one final battle that made me decide to quit this game forever. I was in an Arathi Basin PvP skirmishes, I think it's 10 vs 10 or some such and I kept getting annihilated in a couple hits from this human paladin whos name is lost to me. He must've killed me 20 some odd times before the battle ended and I made special note to check his kills and deaths which he had killed a ton more than anybody else and died 0 times. When I got out of the instance I seen him standing on the steps of the place in Ironforge and examined his gear. ...

Granted, I don't spend a lot of time in battlegrounds, but I wasn't aware that you could fight your own faction.

Either way, good luck in your future mmo endeavors. ^_^

Well you're right this guy made a mistake but you can fight your own faction in gurubashi arena. Obviously this guy has a point and to you guys who don't understand let me explain what he means to you. What he is trying to say is although the classes are balanced, your skills depend on your gear and it is the gear that makes you powerful and last longer. For people who do not have the time as young little kids like you, they will never or have a hard time getting those gear. In WOW, gear > skill. Imagine the gear you have resist spells, dodge and parry attacks 20X more than your opponent and also imagine you land hits 20X more than your opponent. You see ... it's about your gear. And your gear is a measure of how much time you have to put into the game.

paravion · March 2006

You just can't have casual gamers and hardcore gamers on the same boat. This game is for hardcore gamers like you guys so if Blizzard is saying they are adding content for casual gamers it is just pure nonsense. You might as well quit this game.

paravion · March 2006

Originally posted by ridenar

I'm kind of sick of posts that goOMG I lost because kids in the game have all the time in the world to play and farm epic gear"......<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Lets say Bliz take pity on your kind and hand out Epic's and Legendary items like toffees so gear is essentially a level playing field.
The players that pvp 40 hours a week are still going to pawn players that pvp 5 hours a week and always will.
You dont play 40 hours a week and not learn a thing or two.
It's not unfair it's a reflection of real life.....
If myself and a friend start playing Pool at the same time, and I practice for 5 hours a week and he practices for 40 hours a week, and after 3 months we have a few matches. He's going to pawn me every time...
Look at it in reverse...
Why should a player who only plays now and again be able to beat a player that lives and breaths the game?
Now that would be unfair and unbalanced.

OK....let me see what I can think of unfair or unbalanced things from the game.

PVP for level 10-19

level 10 getting worked by level 19 twinks with expensive head/leg weapon enchants.

PVP for 60.

Blue equipped players getting slaughtered by epic quipped players.

Gadgetzan/Everlook

lower level players or players who play classes that cannot get out of combat mode getting killed by hunters whose feign death's cooldown is only 30 seconds and rogues whose cooldown is 5 min.

Guilds/servers

Some people will never get to a good guild because either the guild is not recruiting or your server simply sucks. Long queues to get into your server sucks a lot too.

Horde/ally

The ratio stinks sometimes. Sometimes one faction has more players than the other. Imagine a 3:1 ratio for ally that would really suck for the horde.

Gaming

This game is for people who got a lot of damn time so casual gamers can just quit now if you are reading this.

Bama1267 · March 2006

Originally posted by paravion

Originally posted by IcoGames

Originally posted by ELE3551
In the end it was one final battle that made me decide to quit this game forever. I was in an Arathi Basin PvP skirmishes, I think it's 10 vs 10 or some such and I kept getting annihilated in a couple hits from this human paladin whos name is lost to me. He must've killed me 20 some odd times before the battle ended and I made special note to check his kills and deaths which he had killed a ton more than anybody else and died 0 times. When I got out of the instance I seen him standing on the steps of the place in Ironforge and examined his gear. ...

Granted, I don't spend a lot of time in battlegrounds, but I wasn't aware that you could fight your own faction.

Either way, good luck in your future mmo endeavors. ^_^

Well you're right this guy made a mistake but you can fight your own faction in gurubashi arena. Obviously this guy has a point and to you guys who don't understand let me explain what he means to you. What he is trying to say is although the classes are balanced, your skills depend on your gear and it is the gear that makes you powerful and last longer. For people who do not have the time as young little kids like you, they will never or have a hard time getting those gear. In WOW, gear > skill. Imagine the gear you have resist spells, dodge and parry attacks 20X more than your opponent and also imagine you land hits 20X more than your opponent. You see ... it's about your gear. And your gear is a measure of how much time you have to put into the game.

The guy had no point....obvious from making up a story. 2 clues that gave him away were obviously cant do AB agaisnt his faction and he cant even remember how many people are in a team for AB? A 3rd reason was ...he cant remember the palliy's name? Ater he got killed how many times , and even went through the time to find him and look at his gear?

However your point is about the gear. And to an extent this is true , but skill far outweigh gear any day of players of the same level. Sure there are cases where this does not come into play but for the most part a well organized group will do well agaisnt most any team. Now when it gets down to a well prepared epic team vs a well prepared rare team....odds do favor epics. But most of the people complaining arent complaining cause they have a well prepared group.....they are complaining because they have to do a PUG agaisnt a well prepared epic team. Of course you stand no chance, you stood no chance when you joind the pug against a team on TS or ventrillo who do these BG's 24/7.

Gear istn as big a problem as most make it out to be , its the unorganized pickup groups that is the real problem. NOw you are ifghting organization and gear....nto much of a chance there.

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