If we're comparing these games to one another as if one was the standard of this genre then I would say Destiny is a far better game , I've played both 105hrs into Division and would estimate about 500+hrs in Destiny , even before TTK I never ran out of things to do in Destiny where as i'm completely out of anything except for the daily missions on Division.
Destiny also doesn't force Pve'rs to PVP and vice versa and Destiny's PVP is more of a shooter style while Division is more about group ganking.
both games are good and both have their pro's and cons but personally I wouldn't compare these 2 titles as they have next to nothing in common.
Is it? I don't think so. Definitely far more multiplayer in Destiny. Heck there is more multiplayer in Call of Duty. The Division is just another FPS with a few rpg mechanics and the replayability is weak.
I don't see why people with Destiny even play The Division. The game is really unfinished and the endgame that exists has sooo many flaws. In about 6 months we can talk comparisons
I have a blast in Destiny, the Division not even worth a buy. The games are completely different so to even compare the two was the first mistake by anyone trying to give a review. Look around the gaming world, every game is going to kill every game. Think its time to review the reviewers......
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there, 80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters. Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior, and he will bring the others home. -Heraclitus 500BC
I didn't play any of these games but I think you should avoid writing articles and using titles like "this game is better than that one", it makes this site look bad.
I just want someone to make a good full size shooter MMO, instead of these MMO-Lite options. The games mechanics are solid but the content level is just piss poor. There's no excuse for it either... it's simply having less content for the sake of it.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Disagree 100% Destiny at release is 10X the game Division is at release. At least Destiny gave me a month of content. Division gave me a week if even.
See now i disagree with you.
Destiny on release was atrocious. Was it fun? Sure. But it had zero staying power at release. Even worse was the highly unfavorable way they had requirements for the harder content. Want to do a raid? Well here is your minimum light level oh and btw to get that minimum light level you need to farm the harder content which btw if your light level wasn't high enough you would get easily stomped in OH NOT TO MENTION those drops are all random and incredibly rare.
Destiny's biggest Issue at launch was that its hardest endgame content was gated by needing higher end equipment which you could only get through doing said high end content and since there is no matchmaking you had to hope to find a group doing it. On top of that even if you did that high end content you were not guaranteed to get a piece of gear to help you do said high end content and could easily find something far worse or sometimes nothing at all.
Division while not perfect avoids that by allowing you to craft said gear and also has built in matchmaking. Division may not be perfect but it is far FAR better than Destiny was on release.
Having played both games, and still currently playing both games, I can say that yes Destiny and The Division have a lot in common. Most likely because Ubisoft tried to catch on the buzz that Destiny has. This happens with every new game trying to capture all the good of the 'current top games' but improving on the bad of the same games.
Destiny's release wasn't atrocious, the servers were up, my group had no issues playing anything we tried to. You want to do hard content in Destiny, yes you needed the gear. You want to do Challenging instances in The Division when you're freshly 30? Guess what? You get your butt kicked, because your gear isn't up to par with what you need in there. I'll give Destiny the win for this one, mostly because if you had the 'Light' needed to enter the raid, you could actually do the raid. With no 'requirements' on Division's 'end game' you want in with your team of 4 and get obliterated by charging shotgun arsehats. Sure apparently after the recent patch this is better but I haven't gone in yet.
So both The Division and Destiny, are gated for their endgame content by the same 'gear level' issues. Destiny just tells you it is there while Division lets you get gunned down to 'teach you a lesson'. I will say points for Division for the matchmaking, but so far Division 'endgame' just seems to be a gun-fest with little or no strategy. While Destiny end game does take a little strategy and group communication.
As for crafting the gear you need for end game. Sure, you can craft the exoti...err I mean 'top end' (yellow) guns. After you spend time gathering coins to be able to purchase the patterns. Or, you could spend days grinding in the Dark Zone, to level up your DZ level, to be able to purchase the same patterns with DZ credits. The difference between the two here is that in Destiny, if I want to go grind for gear, I can do it on my own time, solo. You try going into dark zone solo to get gear, see how well THAT turns out.
So, yes both games have their flaws. Both even had their loot caves, though Division got theirs fixed a lot sooner...(RIP Bullet King! We miss you!) Which game is better? They each have their draws and are both good games.
If you were even 1 light level below enemies you did 25 percent less damage to them. If you were 2 it was 50 percent less damage. 3 was 75 percent damage and 4 you wouldnt even be able to damage the enemies. Doing the Raid at release was almost impossible for most players because they couldn't find any gear that was able to bring them up high enough to do full damage. At least in the Division even if you didn't have full high end gear you could still complete it with a decent team. Division challenge mode missions require a little bit of skill.
For example Rushing enemies have to be killed quickly otherwise they will very quickly wipe out your entire party. If you don't kill medics and their support stations fast they will constantly heal their allies. Nice Seeker mine you have there too bad the enemy has an engineer that can hack your turret/seeker mine/ support station and turn them against you. Challenge missions require good teamwork and with good teamwork even an under geared team can get through them. Good luck trying to do VOG (on its release) when your 2 light levels under it because everything does double damage to you and you do 50 percent less damage to them. Those light levels were incredibly difficult to get also because gear drops were so infrequent that people turned to the loot cave. Your complaint about Shotgun rushers in Division is silly because Shotgunners are only a problem if your team doesn't kill them quickly and when focus fired they go down really quickly.
Also Destiny's Endgame originally took almost no skill because literally everybody and their mom Cheesed Atheon and just knocked him off the Edge for ezy pzy wins or people would just join on Atheon CP's and skip the other 90 percent of the raid. Destinys endgame at release was gated in such a hardcore way that only people who played constantly (and i mean CONSTANTLY) were able to even attempt the raid come its release. Division may have its issues but its issues are no where near as Severe as Destiny's were on release.
I loved Destiny it was a fun game but it had so many backwards decisions and mind numbingly bad progress gates that it very quickly became an issue to most players. Division is definitely a great game as well and suffers from its own issues but these issues are not as big a problems as Destiny's were because the Division's endgame isn't gated by an arbitrary system like a light level and instead is more gated by people understanding what needs to be done at what times such as burning down rushers or CC'ing them etc.
Until you get to the lvl 30 and realize there is no content.
Droprates for any HE items in PvE content are nonexistent and DZ that is advertised as PvP area is not PvP area, its PvE area that is catered for gankers.
There is nothing you can do to fight the person who ganks you, ganker always have the initiative and technically 100% chance to kill you if he knows what hes doing.
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I will add this to my thought behind this article: the main experience in my mind was Vanilla Destiny. I have played through expansion content but the overriding impression that game left on me was of how unfinished and undershot of the mark the original game was.
Here's the thing to those who disagree: does The Taken King improve the game, better than the Division? In many ways, yes. Absolutely. But you can't disregard everything that comes before what happened TTK. If the majority of the game is underwhelming, that needs. To be recognized as well as the expansion that blew us out of the water.
I just want someone to make a good full size shooter MMO, instead of these MMO-Lite options. The games mechanics are solid but the content level is just piss poor. There's no excuse for it either... it's simply having less content for the sake of it.
I thought it was a good game when I played it a few years ago.
Hmm I can't judge as I haven't played the current version of Destiny, but comparing both at launch? The Division smokes Destiny. Destiny on release felt massively unfinished, the got combat right and quite a few other things, but IN-GAME lore felt empty, didn't understand why I had to jump on a site to find out about the creatures or area I was in as that precises moment. Tbh felt what I was doing had no meaning. The one line I will never forget;
"I don't even have time to explain why I don't have time to explain."
That such a line even existed said a lot.
While The Division has it's flaws, the bar is no where as low as it was for Destiny at launch imho. Will be nice to see what the expansions change for the game.
Both games suck big sweaty hairy stinky moldy fungus rotten balls. With that said, Destiny sucks far less balls, not as sweaty and stinky as the balls The Division is sucking on. - p.s. I had to illustrate it like this so the author could understand what I meant.
Disagree 100% Destiny at release is 10X the game Division is at release. At least Destiny gave me a month of content. Division gave me a week if even.
i agree completely, not to mention destiny has a multiplayer pvp that doesnt totally suck. the division dark zone is a joke, and exploits are rampant. a couple examples...people can shoot you and prevent you from being able to zone to a safe house. when they are rogue and you aren't. next, a group of 4 players can alternate shooting a single player and kill you without getting rogue status (and you cant zone away from them). then, you lose tons of xp.
i beat the "campaign" in two days, and i am so totally over that game, at this point. (i have full yellow gear)
Is it? I don't think so. Definitely far more multiplayer in Destiny. Heck there is more multiplayer in Call of Duty. The Division is just another FPS with a few rpg mechanics and the replayability is weak.
Disagree 100% Destiny at release is 10X the game Division is at release. At least Destiny gave me a month of content. Division gave me a week if even.
i agree completely, not to mention destiny has a multiplayer pvp that doesnt totally suck. the division dark zone is a joke, and exploits are rampant. a couple examples...people can shoot you and prevent you from being able to zone to a safe house. when they are rogue and you aren't. next, a group of 4 players can alternate shooting a single player and kill you without getting rogue status (and you cant zone away from them). then, you lose tons of xp.
i beat the "campaign" in two days, and i am so totally over that game, at this point. (i have full yellow gear)
1) Destiny's PvP is exactly like every other PvP.. its just a small arena based skirmish. It's been done to death... and it gets way too repetitive and boring.
2) You could have 4 people shoot you and not go rogue, while not killing you.. but... that is highly unlikely that it could ever happen unless you're way undergeared and they have the highest gear possible, with unbalanced specs. I've never seen this happen, nor heard of people trying this as it would be virtually impossible to coordinate without a willing participate. Not to mention, damage and rogue status is more than just a single bullet... it has a damage threshold. For example, if a sniper shoots you with one bullet to the head with what would be considered a killing blow, they would definitely flag. I've seen it, I've experienced it, I've done it.
3) You don't lose "tons of XP" ... you lose XP by a percentage equivalent to your level and your rogue status. It sounds like you watched a video or played the game the first week or so and haven't played since they've put any patches in place.
4) If people shoot you to prevent you from entering a safe house, which is possible, its only very temporary. You can easily go to another area to get out of the dark zone, or even just log off.. if they aren't letting you out.. you auto logoff to a safe house in 30 seconds. Furthermore, all you need to do is logout and back in to get put into a different zone.
5)The game has a ton of problems, but what you've mentioned should be the least of peoples worries about the game. It's very situation and nothing I've experienced with well over 100 hours played.
6) Saying you have "full gold gear" doesn't mean anything. You can get full gold gear without ever hitting max level. You can finish the story mode without ever making it to max level either. You can make it to darkzone level 50 without ever getting to max level. You could also have 300 hours played and never complete your base of operations.
I love articles like this. Though usually it's just someone's fanboy thread post. Game comes out and all the sudden it's set to usher in world peace and end hunger and all that.......Seen that all before. Then a week, a month, 2 months later, the "shiney" wears off and the new game isn't really all that perfect now was it?
I love articles like this. Though usually it's just someone's fanboy thread post. Game comes out and all the sudden it's set to usher in world peace and end hunger and all that.......Seen that all before. Then a week, a month, 2 months later, the "shiney" wears off and the new game isn't really all that perfect now was it?
It's not perfect now. But I do think it is better than what some here give it. As usual you have people that will hate it just because it exists, and others that will love it without seeing it's faults. I try to stay in the middle and will always play devils advocate regardless of the stances. I do enjoy the game... but for those that don't.. it's fine, as long as they're disliking it for the right reasons.
Was Christopher on Coke when he wrote this? The games aren't even similar enough to compare em to each other, and what does Tyrion Lannister have to do with it?
As of right now, I think not. Just because Destiny has more content. I think The Division will be better once it has more content. I really like both games. I have not touched Destiny since the launch of The Division.
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Was Christopher on Coke when he wrote this? The games aren't even similar enough to compare em to each other, and what does Tyrion Lannister have to do with it?
Har. The original Ghost in Destiny was voiced by Peter Dinklage who also plays Tyrion Lannister on the show.
I honestly like both games... and play both of them.
I didn't even think to compare them because I feel they play differently, I am no gaming monster, family and all, but I play enough and have fun with both games at the moment.
I like both themes and the feeling of the game, sometime I just spend a bit watching the last city on earth from the guardian tower and enjoy the view then jump on the action , the whole "Remains of the golden age" and "Defending the last place humanity call home" is something that I really really like, also you are not a floating head, if you look down you see the rest of your body, which is trivial I know.. but is things like this that I like in a game.
If I feel like going through a falling New York and trying to make my way through a failing society I play The Division, the sights, even the npcs make it alive, once I saw an npc sliding on a patch of ice and falling down while trying to run away from the shooting and I was like... wow, I don't know is the little things.
I think both games nail the atmosphere and feeling of the world around you, be it guardians of the last city or supersecretspecialsuperspecial agent trying to restore order and discover what happened.
Only thing I wish The Division copied from Destiny is to meet other players while you are going around, in Destiny they always refer to you as "one" of the guardians, they acknowledge there are other guardians around, ok if you follow the story you are anyway "The" special guardian, eh... but at least you are "one" of many. In The Division, in the pve part you are THE agent, I wish they modified a bit the story to recognize that there are several division agents around at the same time, and give you the chance to meet them not only in the Dark Zone.
I don't like much PvP and I go in the DZ just to have the chance to see other agents go around doing their thing.. add to my experience.
I don't know maybe I am wrong but I just have fun with both games in different ways.
Way this guy is fighting back against overwhelming numbers of people disagreeing with him if maybe he is being paid for his support of a greatly inferior product.
I haven't played either game so I really have no stake in this "argument". However, articles that directly say one particular game is better than other particular game should at least have some companion counter article written by someone who disagrees or at least done this article in the "PVP" format that MMORPG.com does every once in a while. As it stands now it just reads like a typical, long winded forum post on why someone's new favorite game is better than another.
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Destiny also doesn't force Pve'rs to PVP and vice versa and Destiny's PVP is more of a shooter style while Division is more about group ganking.
both games are good and both have their pro's and cons but personally I wouldn't compare these 2 titles as they have next to nothing in common.
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there,
80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters.
Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior,
and he will bring the others home.
-Heraclitus 500BC
If you were even 1 light level below enemies you did 25 percent less damage to them. If you were 2 it was 50 percent less damage. 3 was 75 percent damage and 4 you wouldnt even be able to damage the enemies. Doing the Raid at release was almost impossible for most players because they couldn't find any gear that was able to bring them up high enough to do full damage. At least in the Division even if you didn't have full high end gear you could still complete it with a decent team. Division challenge mode missions require a little bit of skill.
For example Rushing enemies have to be killed quickly otherwise they will very quickly wipe out your entire party. If you don't kill medics and their support stations fast they will constantly heal their allies. Nice Seeker mine you have there too bad the enemy has an engineer that can hack your turret/seeker mine/ support station and turn them against you. Challenge missions require good teamwork and with good teamwork even an under geared team can get through them. Good luck trying to do VOG (on its release) when your 2 light levels under it because everything does double damage to you and you do 50 percent less damage to them. Those light levels were incredibly difficult to get also because gear drops were so infrequent that people turned to the loot cave. Your complaint about Shotgun rushers in Division is silly because Shotgunners are only a problem if your team doesn't kill them quickly and when focus fired they go down really quickly.
Also Destiny's Endgame originally took almost no skill because literally everybody and their mom Cheesed Atheon and just knocked him off the Edge for ezy pzy wins or people would just join on Atheon CP's and skip the other 90 percent of the raid. Destinys endgame at release was gated in such a hardcore way that only people who played constantly (and i mean CONSTANTLY) were able to even attempt the raid come its release. Division may have its issues but its issues are no where near as Severe as Destiny's were on release.
I loved Destiny it was a fun game but it had so many backwards decisions and mind numbingly bad progress gates that it very quickly became an issue to most players. Division is definitely a great game as well and suffers from its own issues but these issues are not as big a problems as Destiny's were because the Division's endgame isn't gated by an arbitrary system like a light level and instead is more gated by people understanding what needs to be done at what times such as burning down rushers or CC'ing them etc.
Droprates for any HE items in PvE content are nonexistent and DZ that is advertised as PvP area is not PvP area, its PvE area that is catered for gankers.
There is nothing you can do to fight the person who ganks you, ganker always have the initiative and technically 100% chance to kill you if he knows what hes doing.
Here's the thing to those who disagree: does The Taken King improve the game, better than the Division? In many ways, yes. Absolutely. But you can't disregard everything that comes before what happened TTK. If the majority of the game is underwhelming, that needs. To be recognized as well as the expansion that blew us out of the water.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
I thought it was a good game when I played it a few years ago.
"I don't even have time to explain why I don't have time to explain."
That such a line even existed said a lot.
While The Division has it's flaws, the bar is no where as low as it was for Destiny at launch imho. Will be nice to see what the expansions change for the game.
i beat the "campaign" in two days, and i am so totally over that game, at this point. (i have full yellow gear)
1) Destiny's PvP is exactly like every other PvP.. its just a small arena based skirmish. It's been done to death... and it gets way too repetitive and boring.
2) You could have 4 people shoot you and not go rogue, while not killing you.. but... that is highly unlikely that it could ever happen unless you're way undergeared and they have the highest gear possible, with unbalanced specs. I've never seen this happen, nor heard of people trying this as it would be virtually impossible to coordinate without a willing participate. Not to mention, damage and rogue status is more than just a single bullet... it has a damage threshold. For example, if a sniper shoots you with one bullet to the head with what would be considered a killing blow, they would definitely flag. I've seen it, I've experienced it, I've done it.
3) You don't lose "tons of XP" ... you lose XP by a percentage equivalent to your level and your rogue status. It sounds like you watched a video or played the game the first week or so and haven't played since they've put any patches in place.
4) If people shoot you to prevent you from entering a safe house, which is possible, its only very temporary. You can easily go to another area to get out of the dark zone, or even just log off.. if they aren't letting you out.. you auto logoff to a safe house in 30 seconds. Furthermore, all you need to do is logout and back in to get put into a different zone.
5)The game has a ton of problems, but what you've mentioned should be the least of peoples worries about the game. It's very situation and nothing I've experienced with well over 100 hours played.
6) Saying you have "full gold gear" doesn't mean anything. You can get full gold gear without ever hitting max level. You can finish the story mode without ever making it to max level either. You can make it to darkzone level 50 without ever getting to max level. You could also have 300 hours played and never complete your base of operations.
Har. The original Ghost in Destiny was voiced by Peter Dinklage who also plays Tyrion Lannister on the show.
I didn't even think to compare them because I feel they play differently, I am no gaming monster, family and all, but I play enough and have fun with both games at the moment.
I like both themes and the feeling of the game, sometime I just spend a bit watching the last city on earth from the guardian tower and enjoy the view then jump on the action , the whole "Remains of the golden age" and "Defending the last place humanity call home" is something that I really really like, also you are not a floating head, if you look down you see the rest of your body, which is trivial I know.. but is things like this that I like in a game.
If I feel like going through a falling New York and trying to make my way through a failing society I play The Division, the sights, even the npcs make it alive, once I saw an npc sliding on a patch of ice and falling down while trying to run away from the shooting and I was like... wow, I don't know is the little things.
I think both games nail the atmosphere and feeling of the world around you, be it guardians of the last city or supersecretspecialsuperspecial agent trying to restore order and discover what happened.
Only thing I wish The Division copied from Destiny is to meet other players while you are going around, in Destiny they always refer to you as "one" of the guardians, they acknowledge there are other guardians around, ok if you follow the story you are anyway "The" special guardian, eh... but at least you are "one" of many. In The Division, in the pve part you are THE agent, I wish they modified a bit the story to recognize that there are several division agents around at the same time, and give you the chance to meet them not only in the Dark Zone.
I don't like much PvP and I go in the DZ just to have the chance to see other agents go around doing their thing.. add to my experience.
I don't know maybe I am wrong but I just have fun with both games in different ways.
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