The sooner you people move away from thinking ESO=My pvp/moba dream the better off you all will be... this is about unreasonable expectations.
Yes AOE Caps must go, but at least the devs are explaining to those who listen what the difficulties are in tackling the lag/latency issues in high density high VR/CP areas.
But, we are talking about an Elder Scrolls game, an IP based on single player questing, story, lore, collecting and character development. Unless I completely missed all the pvp stuff in Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim.
You "hard core" pvp'ers think you own the mmorpg genre. It's becoming cliche at this point.
Every patch the game is getting worse and here are just a few reasons why a majority of the PvP community has left:
The horrible lag, broken cc system, ability bars locking up, aoe caps decision, and the worst of them all is the complete lack of communication from ZOS or care about the PvP side.
They had a poll on the ESO official forums regarding the aoe caps.
500 voted for it 3,000+ voted against it
Zenimax made the decision to make the change and ignore the player base. The result almost every major guild left the game and now the servers can't handle everyone stacking as a ball group to get heals because of the aoe caps.
I usually PvE in ESO. At first I thought my time spent in Cyrodiil would be huge. But animation canceling killed the "idea" of PvPing in ESO for me.
Animation cancelling is something I just don't enjoy. It is so counter-intuitive. I do it in this game (because you have to) but it is the worst part of combat for me.
Why people keep necro this thread from this dude who made a bunch of false claims? I believe we proved him almost 100% wrong on the first page. And here we are months later and even though the lag is still there cyrodiil is full as ever.
Why people keep necro this thread from this dude who made a bunch of false claims? I believe we proved him almost 100% wrong on the first page. And here we are months later and even though the lag is still there cyrodiil is full as ever.
I didn't even notice it was a necro. Sneaky posters around here...
Zenimax is on a huge ban right now. If mention PvP lag they will ban your forum account. Just ask Gina or Jessica.
Yep they have been doing this for a while. The game is losing players and less new players coming in every month. Until new leadership is brought in and someone that actually knows how to fix bugs and pvp a lot of players are not going to return.
Zenimax way of making the game better is banning any posts that do not put game in good light. Streamers have left and a lot will never return.
I gave them 2 years of support and was one of the suckers that believed they would fix the game and do the right thing for us loyal players. I laugh at that now, Zenimax clearly never cared about players and fixing the game.
Myself and a co-worker have recently cancelled out paid accounts of ESO due to the PVP lag. The slide show just became too unbearable, mainly in large scale fights. If your running around ganking it's not too bad but if you want to siege and do the things they sold a lot of us on in the beginning..it's nasty and has been nasty. None of this it only lags 2 hours of the day stuff..The 64 bit client didn't do anything for me..Hell if anything it made it worse. Yesterday I was in a small scale fight (I'd guesstimate 30 on 30) and my sound began to cut out and switching bars wasn't as smooth as it is PVE land. Next you know I'm sitting at my log in screen going WTF. PVP has problems there is no doubt about it and they need to put more emphasis on fixing it.
If your a pve player, especially a solo player, you'll really like ESO. Great graphics and overall good quests. I hardly ever lag in PVE over the past 2 years.
Actually I was more pve and I still canceled over a month ago. The game is clearly run BAD no matter where you play. Just worse in pvp. Two years and the developers have no clue how to fix anything to make the game really work. They might as well turn the game into a single player game.
TG was the biggest failure and missed opportunity to fix the lag. Now they say oh wait another 3 months and we might fix the lag. Just buy another DLC and let us lie to you again for another cash grab.
Thank god i only play PvE and despite i was never a big fan of ESO, i can say i m having a superb time.
If only they fix x64 client so it wont crash and especially the sounds when you are in Thieves Guild area Hew's Bane. The sound in that area is terrible.
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I recently returned and have to agree it could have been such a great game.
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I have never seen more rage about LAG than after the TG release on the ESO official forums. Even PvE is impacted now with how horrible the code is. It's most likely the anti bot code that caused all these issues and it's finally catching up to PvE. I guess that's what happens when you pile crap onto crap vs toss it out.
I have never seen more rage posts created on the ESO forums about how bad the lag is in PvP and now PvE. Even when people create what do you think we will get in the next DLC dark brotherhood everyone says more bugs and lag. Of course ZOS is not helping the matter with zero communication or even maintenance in the last 2-3 weeks.
I've done that several times, that's not the issue, the issue is how utterly disgusting this side of the game has been, and all I hear them say after a year and a half of this disgusting lag and gameplay is "it's our main focus" it should be your main focus as soon as this *** happens and affects players to the point they're paying for your product and can't play it for 3 major updates now.
I honestly don't bag your game, but honestly you guys really need to stop with the Roleplay major updates you're rolling out non stop and focus on a patch with your team and dedicate fixing these servers, the largest side of this game used to be PvP or AvA as you call it, but just from looking at the sheer number of guilds and players rapidly leaving is and should be worrying if it just blows over your heads as you just see them as numbers, they're not just numbers you have players like Fengrush, Sypher, Etaniel, King Richard and even Deltia who are major impacts of your game - just go on their youtube channels and check out their subscribers ( sorry for whoever I missed you are all heavy impacts on the outcome of this game, just remember that )
Deltia - 77,565 Sypher - 42,648 Fengrush - 5,331 King Richard - 10,867
Combined (assuming they're all individual subscribers) that's a total of 136,411 people listening in on the game and most of the players who listen in take their feedback pretty well and start agreeing with the streamers.
What I'm basically getting at Zenimax, if you don't start fixing your game and not just saying "it's our main focus" when it clearly is not if you're pushing out half finished Imperial City DLC's and focusing on the Roleplay side of your game, I mean business wise sure that's a good idea to earn some money but you should be focusing on having players stay subscribed to your game, give them a reason to stick around, questing in an MMO gets boring real fast, there is no replayability in quests like there is in PvP if you want to keep a strong consumer base, sure I have little experience in this sort of stuff but this seems like common sense to me, and the more and more this lag is ignored the more players you lose than gain, especially when I a paying subscriber can not play one half of the *** game because it crashes on any enemy impact.
Sorry to call out Haxus and any other EP guild/player in here but this is all I have as *** PvP I can't even play it. This is what people are experiencing when large action happens, which you are promoting this god damn game to be, if it can't handle it, why is it so heavily promoted. (remember I am not attacking anyone personally, this is aimed at zos, please don't be offended, I have nothing against any of you)
And then we see documented changes which PROMOTE THIS LAG AND PLAY STYLE, you make meteor be unable to be reflected, you introduce Vicious Death, you INCREASE the damage of Proximity Detonation, and you promote this lag, have you watched any videos published online, honestly? Have you seen the lag that happens and how the game freezes when someone is using Vicious Death and kills a zerg? Check this video out, watch specifically the lag and frame rate from just 1 person using this. Now imagine a whole 200 or so players in this using meteor, proximity detonation etc
So I'll end this little hate, I hope you read this and understand it is you that is failing your game and your broken promises, it is you that is going to destroy PvP unless you guys get your acts together and listen to the community for a change, stop promoting this lag, stop affecting consumers who pay and still subscribe to your game and can't even enter inside Cyrodill without jumping to 500 ping. You should feel ashamed that this has been going on for so long and that people are still sticking around, you have streamers that are a HUGE impact on your player base, lets just assume there are currently 700,000 active subscribers and that 136,411 of those people listen to what your streamers have to say, word gets around pretty quickly with those sort of numbers.
Gets pushed to be on your red light list and major fixing ASAP, sure different departments I understand, but how fast this was replied to compared to something like AoE Caps per say.
I'm surprised at this point the patience some of the players have, it's the community we all have with each other that is keeping us here, I don't think people enjoy playing anymore. You really need to fix that
I don't mean for any harm or personal attacks within this post, I hope it somewhat makes an impact and I really do hope you actually put your main focus on fixing Cyrodill because almost 2 years is too much to have been waiting for this lag to end. Almost everything you guys say because a joke and a meme of some sort on the forums and you all encourage it, you guys participate and laugh at it too. It's a serious matter that is being laughed at. Please, I love the game and I want to play it for a few more years and I'd like to actually play Cyrodill once again.
Thanks ZOS, and just please do your jobs with this one, stop focusing so heavily on the non competitive PvE side of the game, look at your real issues, do you really want to show new players how unstable it is?
LOL the funny part is I have written posts like that a number of times. Last one i did more detail with naming everyone of the devs that are the problem. From Gina Bruno all the way up to Lambert and then to the top Matt who is the one that should get all the blame for this game's problems. Then of course I was banned and I told them in my support ticket things will get worse than better and you can ban me. But until you get to fixing the game more will follow calling you out on how bad you guys are at making this game.
They refused to listen back then so don't expect them to listen now. These are the most unprofessional people I have ever seen. I have also told them they need a better PR person and that was right after going live.
They will continue to do what they do and ignore all the bugs and lag and I have finally come to the conclusion they can't fix it because the engine is not built for this type of game. Only thing that makes sense. Because if it can then these have to be the world's worse development team ever put together.
I wear my ban from the main forums, to Reddit, to FB page with pride because I knew I was right and they are wrong in how they deal with the game and it's paid players.
Best thing people could do is play the game but hold off giving them anymore cash until they put the bugs and lag as #1 in getting fixed.
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Yes AOE Caps must go, but at least the devs are explaining to those who listen what the difficulties are in tackling the lag/latency issues in high density high VR/CP areas.
But, we are talking about an Elder Scrolls game, an IP based on single player questing, story, lore, collecting and character development. Unless I completely missed all the pvp stuff in Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim.
You "hard core" pvp'ers think you own the mmorpg genre. It's becoming cliche at this point.
I self identify as a monkey.
Zenimax way of making the game better is banning any posts that do not put game in good light. Streamers have left and a lot will never return.
I gave them 2 years of support and was one of the suckers that believed they would fix the game and do the right thing for us loyal players. I laugh at that now, Zenimax clearly never cared about players and fixing the game.
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If your a pve player, especially a solo player, you'll really like ESO. Great graphics and overall good quests. I hardly ever lag in PVE over the past 2 years.
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If only they fix x64 client so it wont crash and especially the sounds when you are in Thieves Guild area Hew's Bane. The sound in that area is terrible.
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What a lot of us believe is they aren't making enough so they put DLC first and bugs on backburner. So all we get is more lag more crashes more bugs.
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I've done that several times, that's not the issue, the issue is how utterly disgusting this side of the game has been, and all I hear them say after a year and a half of this disgusting lag and gameplay is "it's our main focus" it should be your main focus as soon as this *** happens and affects players to the point they're paying for your product and can't play it for 3 major updates now.
I honestly don't bag your game, but honestly you guys really need to stop with the Roleplay major updates you're rolling out non stop and focus on a patch with your team and dedicate fixing these servers, the largest side of this game used to be PvP or AvA as you call it, but just from looking at the sheer number of guilds and players rapidly leaving is and should be worrying if it just blows over your heads as you just see them as numbers, they're not just numbers you have players like Fengrush, Sypher, Etaniel, King Richard and even Deltia who are major impacts of your game - just go on their youtube channels and check out their subscribers ( sorry for whoever I missed you are all heavy impacts on the outcome of this game, just remember that
Deltia - 77,565
Sypher - 42,648
Fengrush - 5,331
King Richard - 10,867
Combined (assuming they're all individual subscribers) that's a total of 136,411 people listening in on the game and most of the players who listen in take their feedback pretty well and start agreeing with the streamers.
What I'm basically getting at Zenimax, if you don't start fixing your game and not just saying "it's our main focus" when it clearly is not if you're pushing out half finished Imperial City DLC's and focusing on the Roleplay side of your game, I mean business wise sure that's a good idea to earn some money but you should be focusing on having players stay subscribed to your game, give them a reason to stick around, questing in an MMO gets boring real fast, there is no replayability in quests like there is in PvP if you want to keep a strong consumer base, sure I have little experience in this sort of stuff but this seems like common sense to me, and the more and more this lag is ignored the more players you lose than gain, especially when I a paying subscriber can not play one half of the *** game because it crashes on any enemy impact.
Sorry to call out Haxus and any other EP guild/player in here but this is all I have as *** PvP I can't even play it. This is what people are experiencing when large action happens, which you are promoting this god damn game to be, if it can't handle it, why is it so heavily promoted. (remember I am not attacking anyone personally, this is aimed at zos, please don't be offended, I have nothing against any of you)
And then we see documented changes which PROMOTE THIS LAG AND PLAY STYLE, you make meteor be unable to be reflected, you introduce Vicious Death, you INCREASE the damage of Proximity Detonation, and you promote this lag, have you watched any videos published online, honestly? Have you seen the lag that happens and how the game freezes when someone is using Vicious Death and kills a zerg? Check this video out, watch specifically the lag and frame rate from just 1 person using this. Now imagine a whole 200 or so players in this using meteor, proximity detonation etc
So I'll end this little hate, I hope you read this and understand it is you that is failing your game and your broken promises, it is you that is going to destroy PvP unless you guys get your acts together and listen to the community for a change, stop promoting this lag, stop affecting consumers who pay and still subscribe to your game and can't even enter inside Cyrodill without jumping to 500 ping. You should feel ashamed that this has been going on for so long and that people are still sticking around, you have streamers that are a HUGE impact on your player base, lets just assume there are currently 700,000 active subscribers and that 136,411 of those people listen to what your streamers have to say, word gets around pretty quickly with those sort of numbers.
Not to mention but the dev feedback in here is shockingly low, it's as if nothing is being heard and it gets ignored. At least show us that you're listening. It is completely absurd that a thread like this http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257543/important-update-zos-please-reconsider-your-decision-to-no-longer-make-female-light-armor/p1
Gets pushed to be on your red light list and major fixing ASAP, sure different departments I understand, but how fast this was replied to compared to something like AoE Caps per say.
I'm surprised at this point the patience some of the players have, it's the community we all have with each other that is keeping us here, I don't think people enjoy playing anymore. You really need to fix that
I don't mean for any harm or personal attacks within this post, I hope it somewhat makes an impact and I really do hope you actually put your main focus on fixing Cyrodill because almost 2 years is too much to have been waiting for this lag to end. Almost everything you guys say because a joke and a meme of some sort on the forums and you all encourage it, you guys participate and laugh at it too. It's a serious matter that is being laughed at. Please, I love the game and I want to play it for a few more years and I'd like to actually play Cyrodill once again.
Thanks ZOS, and just please do your jobs with this one, stop focusing so heavily on the non competitive PvE side of the game, look at your real issues, do you really want to show new players how unstable it is?
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They refused to listen back then so don't expect them to listen now. These are the most unprofessional people I have ever seen. I have also told them they need a better PR person and that was right after going live.
They will continue to do what they do and ignore all the bugs and lag and I have finally come to the conclusion they can't fix it because the engine is not built for this type of game. Only thing that makes sense. Because if it can then these have to be the world's worse development team ever put together.
I wear my ban from the main forums, to Reddit, to FB page with pride because I knew I was right and they are wrong in how they deal with the game and it's paid players.
Best thing people could do is play the game but hold off giving them anymore cash until they put the bugs and lag as #1 in getting fixed.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!