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Meridion
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So I've played this game for the better part of a month now, gave it all the free daily game time I've got, and while I really enjoyed my time in BDO so far, I need to admit several things, probably more to myself than to anyone else:
- For the Korean game, no matter how much it gets customized for the west, when you play 2 hours a weekday you're a filthy casual. I don't know what Koreans do for a living or if they let their kids starve or if games in Korea are made for the unemployed; I really don't, but as a matter of fact, dumping 20 hours a week (including weekends) into this game seems like a drop on a hot stone... My gear lacks severly, apparently, my skills also do, since our PvP-groups get wasted 9 times out of 10.
- I apparently am more of a PvE guy than I thought. This game has no challenging and/or story driven PvE content. I thought that would be "fine" and "np", but coming from ESO, WoW, WAR, GW2, TSW, I guess I took a certain level of PvE narrative, an unfolding story, for granted that's just not there in BDO.
- As someone who raided "Black Wing Lair" in Vanilla WoW (when BWL was the cream-raid) four times a week back in the days, I thought well, accessibility isn't a problem; you pulled 40 mans, you tanked, you were a class officer, get your act together, you don't need "easymode". But admittedly, 50 hours in I realized this game wanted me to grind to 45 before taking part in PvP, and then, there was no structured PvP, and no dungeon finder, no structured dungeons at all, and no world PvP, no battlegrounds, no duels, no arena, just me, the grind and the road... And I found that I missed this "click of a button" I loathed so badly when they introduced it back in 2008/2009 (WAR was probably the first time for me) a huge lot, and the grind and the road seemed a lot less attractive... O.o
So as much as I hate to say. The BDO throwback to ancient mechanics, no-teleport-no-instance-no-dungeonfinder-no-everything was erm, a nice road trip and I dig anyone who still has time on his/her hands and enjoys their trip to the 2000s....
... But I myself am 35 yo now, I work 48 hours a week, familiy and stuff, and my hardcore-live-to-win-online-no-life-days are apparently a lot more over than I thought before Korea's finest had invaded my PC.
So, well... waiting for WoW "Legion" and the PvP equalization there, about to kick some butt with my 7 hours playtime per week =D
Thanks for the ride BDO though, honestly.
M
- For the Korean game, no matter how much it gets customized for the west, when you play 2 hours a weekday you're a filthy casual. I don't know what Koreans do for a living or if they let their kids starve or if games in Korea are made for the unemployed; I really don't, but as a matter of fact, dumping 20 hours a week (including weekends) into this game seems like a drop on a hot stone... My gear lacks severly, apparently, my skills also do, since our PvP-groups get wasted 9 times out of 10.
- I apparently am more of a PvE guy than I thought. This game has no challenging and/or story driven PvE content. I thought that would be "fine" and "np", but coming from ESO, WoW, WAR, GW2, TSW, I guess I took a certain level of PvE narrative, an unfolding story, for granted that's just not there in BDO.
- As someone who raided "Black Wing Lair" in Vanilla WoW (when BWL was the cream-raid) four times a week back in the days, I thought well, accessibility isn't a problem; you pulled 40 mans, you tanked, you were a class officer, get your act together, you don't need "easymode". But admittedly, 50 hours in I realized this game wanted me to grind to 45 before taking part in PvP, and then, there was no structured PvP, and no dungeon finder, no structured dungeons at all, and no world PvP, no battlegrounds, no duels, no arena, just me, the grind and the road... And I found that I missed this "click of a button" I loathed so badly when they introduced it back in 2008/2009 (WAR was probably the first time for me) a huge lot, and the grind and the road seemed a lot less attractive... O.o
So as much as I hate to say. The BDO throwback to ancient mechanics, no-teleport-no-instance-no-dungeonfinder-no-everything was erm, a nice road trip and I dig anyone who still has time on his/her hands and enjoys their trip to the 2000s....
... But I myself am 35 yo now, I work 48 hours a week, familiy and stuff, and my hardcore-live-to-win-online-no-life-days are apparently a lot more over than I thought before Korea's finest had invaded my PC.
So, well... waiting for WoW "Legion" and the PvP equalization there, about to kick some butt with my 7 hours playtime per week =D
Thanks for the ride BDO though, honestly.
M
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@Azmodeus I'm going to be 62 in July and I find WoW still to be the best around.
But then I may just be getting senile. :-D
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Back when MMO's where first starting EQ and UO there was zero hand holding. Quests did not have fancy waypoints to goto and you had look and find any mobs / items involved.
If by evolving you mean basicly cutting out any learning from the equation then yeah MMO's have evolved in that sense. I mean heck someone just went 1 to 100 in World of Warcraft playing on nothing more then a dance pad of all things. I bet there is someone out there right not going 1 to 100 with only pressing the left mouse button and the number 1 key.
I am sorry but I do not find that MMO's have evolved. Most MMO's have deevolved so your average 3rd grader can pick them up and feel like they are the top dog on the list and that they always win and never lose.
I have grown up playing MMO's and I remember the days where you waited days for bosses to spawn and prayed that you could muster up the people to kill the boss when he did spawn. Now I agree when you only have a few hours a day (And yes I have 5 kids and a family + job) it makes it ALOT more challanging to them types of things. But then I take that as a challange to beat.
It is pretty odd that they went to such extremes in detail and thought with many of the systems in the game and then threw on PvE like this. I hate story/questing PvE so I don't miss that... but I think they could have made PvE combat a bit more tactical. Also loot and gear in the game are pretty limited and uninspired.
All said my complaints with the game are very very minor...still the best MMO I've played since the old school MMO days.
I am American. I love my country and my people. I think we are the best in a lot of things. One of those things is not MMORPG development. We do okay, but we are not better than Asians. They are heads and above much further in MMO development than we are. And its not even close. To believe otherwise is to either be a bigot, or be crazy insane.
I guess its my fault though apparently. I knew this game was gonna have a grind to it, but jeez. I had no idea the grind was gonna be this huge.
I'm done waiting for Blizzard to get their act together personally, I've given them many years worth of xpacs and patches with no hope in sight. For me BDO is a good game so far, with the possibility to be great when NA/EU gets more of the content KR currently has, or is soon getting. The best part is no sub, and I can jump in and play it with any update they add that interests me, even years from now without having to worry about wasting money on a sub if the game isn't to my liking. Similar reason I enjoyed GW2 so much till server performance started to suffer with Lion's Arch/HoT updates.
Blizzard would have to make some drastic changes to the current game for me to be interested, and I'm fully aware the majority of the players base would not agree. So I'll be hanging out in Heidel in the meantime until something better comes along, fingers crossed for Camelot Unchained.
An understandable narrative is not something BDO does well... hell not even passably.
Maybe this will help others with the setting behind the game (Note: this is all about what happened before the game starts - no spoilers) :
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/faceroll with better gear? You just explained every game.
Sure, gear gaps are a thing in any game, you lose against better geared players more times than you win and that's ok. I fully expect people to have an advantage through gear.
But tbh, in BDO, with a full 50/51 pvp group we really got insta-smashed 9 times out of 10 with, even when outnumbering the enemy. And by insta-smashed I'm talking three or four guys taken out within 5-10 seconds by splash damage... Maybe we were just bad players, might be (although most of us have a lot of experience under our belt)...
I really don't wanna start a rant, but the PvP seemed a lot more influenced by gear levels (and gear levels are practically 100% farm/grind based with the Blackstone upgrade system) than in other games.
M
Btw, I like BDO. Have roughly 300 hrs gametime doing quests mostly.
I do like Themepark games, and SW;TOR, awesome storylines, far more interesting than i originally expected, and its become the go to game for that kind of gameplay, likewise, Eve Online, has something other games do not, its a more 'cooperative' gameplay type of game for one thing, with Corporate activities and if your also in an alliance, there is usually something to get involved in.
So why am i having so much fun in BDO?
There is a lot to do, and so far, most of it has been PVE, i finally reached level 50, and i am slowly improving my gear, but mostly just from doing dailies, no rush, i have so many other things happening its unreal, the guild i am in, most evenings we have activities where we all get involved in doing gathering and trade missions, we're slowly improving so eventually we'll be able to do the combat ones, and, have to say this, fishing quests are ridiculously hard, 100 mudskippers in 90 minutes.. no chance, 8 of us fishing like crazy caught like 12 of them in 45 minutes.. obviously our collective fishing skills need a lot of improvement, wish i had the time to spend more time fishing to improve it, only i don't because once i have done my dailies, which takes less than an hour tbh, i am usually doing trade runs, improving trading skill, slowly gaining Contrib points and of course, making a lot of Silver, there are also quite a lot of repeatable quests you can do for contrib xp, and its easy to get side tracked, but i need the contrib points so i can link nodes up to the lava caves, because, Zinc, i am trying to make trade wagons and ferry's, they sell for over a million silver each, but, lots of zinc needed, and lead, and cedar, and ash, and of course potatoes, because, beer, which means i spend quite a bit of time every day just crafting, but when i need a break from that, i can go grind combat xp even, always a few skills that could use the points for, which leads onto doing the daily rewards thing, with imp captains etc, always a group going over Velia way for those, which is useful. Also have to say this, because its something i've been doing a lot, Horse riding, Wagon driving, the amount of attention to detail in this game for those two things, is amazing, horse riding is not as easy as you might think, sure you can jump on a horse and gallop from A to B, no problem, but as your horse levels up, it can gain skills, combat ones, and they aren't so easy, and getting thrown off a horse is a thing, i know because i've done it a lot, and Wagons, there are so many of them, from 2 wheeled flimsy ones to the much bigger 4 wheeled, 4 horse driven Noble wagons, sure you can do a decent amount of trading with a farm wagon, but they only have about 247k lifespan, so they soon wear out, a much better option is the trade wagon, which is double that of the farm wagon, plus more weight carried and a couple more item slots, but all this would be relatively minor, if not for the fact that the game world in BDO is really nice, it looks awesome, so good that unfortunately, at 2560x1440 with everything maxed out, on a 980ti i only get about 45 fps, but it looks so much better at 1440 than it does at 1080, that i just accept the lower framerate.
The Journey to 50 was fairly long, but its just a milestone, there is more going on now for me than when i first started playing, sure the game is a Themepark, areas are level based, and if you venture too deep at too low a level, the wildlife will absolutely murder you, but the game also has a ton of features that you would normally only find in a sandbox game, and i think this in part is what throws so many people, the game is open world, its great that there are no zones or instances to break the immersion, and it has PVP in this open world, but, funny thing, never been ganked yet, and the only time i've engaged in PVP was when i jumped in the arena outside Velia to have a couple of fights with the people there while i was waiting for the group to form for the imp captain.
I think how much PVE or PVP this game has, is really down to how you play the game, its not a game that leads you around by the nose and tells you what to do, in that sense its much like Eve Online, and i think thats also why people have so varying an experience, if you want to go solo, you can, if you want to mainly group, you can do that too, you want your guild to war dec another guild, go ahead, want to get a bunch of friends together and go fish, build a fishing boat and take them with you, thats a thing too, want to race horses, well get breeding them and invest in in some decent horse shoes, and saddles, stirrups, carrots... well, its a game where you need to set your own goals, PVP and PVE.
Lack of content in BDO... /facepalm.
Then don't play, its rather simple. BDO is a niche game that people are enjoying in droves. Nobody is forcing you to play.