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Suitepee
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In WOW on one of my alts,I met a 4-year old DaoC veteran playing WOW for the first time in his first week. He told me that while there were issues of 'overpowered' classes,he also told me how good RvR was. Having looked on the website and on here,I have to say looking at the realm map and the screenshots....
This game looks comical. I see this screenshot of 'Realm captures relic' and it looks like a bunch of beefy thugs are standing over the team. 
That,and the whole medieval theme seems good,but silly. (NOT THAT THAT IS A BAD THING,OF COURSE)
But I was also impressed by what appears to be three realms,each within themselves having changeable keeps. If this is DaoC's key point,it has me intrigued. So I downloaded the 14-day trial. I may yet buy a copy of the game.
Which brings me to my problem. I look at the realm list and I see RP,Normal,Classic and PvP. Confusing. So I'd like from any DaoC veterans three questions-
1: What's the best server to play on for PvP-action,which is very popular and has lots of people engaging on it? (PvP server like WOW,in other words)
2: What's a good 'rogue' or 'shaman' class to play?
3: Does the 14-day trial come with the latest version (Darkness Rising etc),or does it not matter for the trial?
Either way,I'm willing to overlook the 'graphics' as I usually do. As long as they're functional,this game looks good enough to appeal to me. If only because Monty Python pops into my head,seeing all the different-coloured knights and 'thugs'....
Comments
1: least amount of PvE rquired for PvP can be found on classic servers (here a very PvE-centric Addon has been disabled)
2: DAoCs has a much more diverse class system than WoW and the abilities are more distributed over different classes than in WoW - which makes DAoC more team-based, probably. Anyway - I guess a rogue would be something like a light-tank with high dmg output (Berserker, Blademaster, Mercenary, Savage) - however none of these classes has stealth. Stealth classes would be Nightshade, Infiltrator, Shadowblade - and of course the three archer classes Hunter, Scout and Ranger.
I usually advice new players to not try a stealth-class - they are not really wanted in PvE groups (low hp and weak armor) and are designed towards solo RvR - which lead to a frustrating first experience of DAoC, usually. So to really experience the beauty of DAoCs RvR system you should probably try on of the lighttanks named above. Not sure about Shaman though - something like a tank/healer hybrid thing, right? Warden and Friar come to mind, but both are not *that* popular classes among PvPers...
3: No, the trial should not include darkness rising - it is a high level expansion. The trial, however, can be upgraded graphics-wise to the current standard. There is a sticky post from Elnator on this board, that explains how to do that.
One word of advice: Leveling in DAoC is not as easy as it is in WoW. But the Rvr (Endgame) is really rewarding and whenever you get bored from leveling, you can check out the battlegrounds (starting from level 20).
Having looked on the site more,I think the 'Normal' server is the one I seek. PvE,and PvP with RvR.
The PvP one sounds like Guild Wars,and extremely chaotic.
I hope I do not have to download Catacombs at any point in DaoC,even for Darkness Rising. But thanks for your informative post,I have bought a copy of DaoC with 2 expansions and Darkness Rising.
By not having catacombs you will make your experience in DAOC more difficult. The best XP in the game is from Catacombs content. Many people doing groups will be catacombs content. Not having the expansion will not hurt you when it comes to RvR, it will just take you a lot longer to get there.
RvR is often chaotic. It is player driven conflict and not "capture the flag." So you have solo, group, and raid scale RvR. Solo (almost always stealth classes) will often hunt other soloers or pick off people who walk to far from their group and/or certain 'choke' points to get easy kills. Groups, will run around looking for other groups to kill and might take a tower. 99% of the time there will be at least 1 battleground (type of chat group) set up for RvR. Often, this will allow for coordinated raids to happen. So people will get other groups together to go take keeps, or take an enemy relic. At the very least you find out where a siege is going on at.
Then there are level specific battle grounds. There is one keep to take, and sometimes towers as well. Each one has a different feel for it. Out there it is about the same, but the action is a lot faster.
1: least amount of PvE rquired for PvP can be found on classic servers (here a very PvE-centric Addon has been disabled)
2: DAoCs has a much more diverse class system than WoW and the abilities are more distributed over different classes than in WoW - which makes DAoC more team-based, probably. Anyway - I guess a rogue would be something like a light-tank with high dmg output (Berserker, Blademaster, Mercenary, Savage) - however none of these classes has stealth. Stealth classes would be Nightshade, Infiltrator, Shadowblade - and of course the three archer classes Hunter, Scout and Ranger.
I usually advice new players to not try a stealth-class - they are not really wanted in PvE groups (low hp and weak armor) and are designed towards solo RvR - which lead to a frustrating first experience of DAoC, usually. So to really experience the beauty of DAoCs RvR system you should probably try on of the lighttanks named above. Not sure about Shaman though - something like a tank/healer hybrid thing, right? Warden and Friar come to mind, but both are not *that* popular classes among PvPers...
3: No, the trial should not include darkness rising - it is a high level expansion. The trial, however, can be upgraded graphics-wise to the current standard. There is a sticky post from Elnator on this board, that explains how to do that.
One word of advice: Leveling in DAoC is not as easy as it is in WoW. But the Rvr (Endgame) is really rewarding and whenever you get bored from leveling, you can check out the battlegrounds (starting from level 20).
Rogue and Tank have nothing to do with each other. A Rogue can't tank worth a damn and isn't designed to. Rogues either kill *very* quickly or they die very quickly. Rogue is one of the hardest classes to solo, regardless of your realm. (Asside from Minstrel and Archers). Light tanks are the hybrid tanks and DPS Tanks like the Savage, Berzerker, Blademaster, Mercenary.
DAOC's PvP system is absolutely geared towards GROUP play, not solo. Though there are some classes (rogues, archers, some casters) that are ok at solo RvR even they do better in a group than alone. In the BattleGrounds as you level up it's pretty easy to solo if that's your thing but REAL RVR is very unfriendly to soloists. Being alone in the real frontiers is pretty much the same as being dead
There are a few hardy (foolhardy?:)) souls that do it but they are in the extreme minority of players.
And I have to agree with others: If you don't get DR and Catacombs you're missing the two best expansions Mythic released. Though I will agree with many that Task Dungeons are a bit annoying.
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There's one thing I like about Mythic's introduction thing.
No need for a credit card number or anything,you can ACTUALLY play a free month without hassle. Having said that,to be honest I don't think I can put my time into DaoC while I still enjoy WOW.
However,I will keep hold of the game (no Cata + DR,but when I turn to another game full-time I could always buy Cata online) and see what happens come WOW. It may prove useful come WOW's eventual demise.
Ugliest graphics I've ever seen mind,but the UI seems good.
It's actually reversed...
I'm guessing since you believe the graphics are ugly that you didn't download the updated graphics file?
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Max
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It's actually reversed...
I'm guessing since you believe the graphics are ugly that you didn't download the updated graphics file?
Have to agree with Max. I think the graphics in DAOC are top notch *IF* you use the updated graphics. It's obvious that you haven't since you have plainly stated that you don't have cata or DR loaded and you can get the graphics updates free. (See the sticky at the top of the forum). If you had done that you would NOT be saying the graphics are crappy. Personally I think they're far superior to WoW graphics (which are cartoonish, crappy and low poly count).
I like DAOC's UI very much because you can mod it. There are tons of player UI's as well, I use emerikol's. Though Derida's is nice too.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
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While I don't think he has the updated graphics, I've been very unimpressed with the graphics in the game so far. I liked WOW's graphics far better, characters are extremely stiff in DAOC, there seems to be very few animations over all, and I see a lot of ice skating (model movement animation being way off from movement rate) even though the areas aren't very crowded. Walking through a town, it looks like everyone is rigidly standing at attention, I think there should be some idle animations and other minor movements.
I also find the armor pretty flat and uninteresting, but I'm holding out judgement on that since I'm still in the newbie areas. I certainly don't object to it armor being flatter than WOW, which goes over-the-top, but the armors I've seen so far don't have any extra shape (they all seem to be a basic shirt/pants/sleeve/etc with a pattern on the surface. The dyes are a good idea, but they look to me more like 'we put this color on this skin' than really dyed, It seems to be that there should be some parts that don't pick up the dye color.
The graphics aren't horrible, but I definately don't find them the strong point of the game.
Just download the graphics update man!!!!!!! What u see there is 2002 graphics!!
All I can say is this. Ram makes a difference in any type game, if your only operating on 1 gig
or less, you will not enjoy DAoC to it fullest. The game itself is a Memory Hog and drains about
1.4 of resources. But besides getting all techinical in what my computers specs are, I still
enjoy the games graphics. If you are not seeing graphics like these
http://www.darkageofcamelot.com/screenshots.php
Maybe, trying to re configure your system, nobody knows their system, better than yourself.
I operate on 1 Gb of ram and didnt have problems with it ,but it i didnt go to RvR just in BG's .so u might be right.
yeah your right sirluke, it did help me out alot in the BG's, but I still get rolled LOL, but not as much as before.