Blizzard doesn't have to appease the thieves and accomplices by opening a legacy server.
They are not thieves if they pay to play on a legacy server.
People who play on a private current version WoW server play because they want WoW free.
People who play on a private classic version WoW server play because they want old WoW.
In the majority of cases, this is probably true. Younger players on average are not going to gravitate towards the older version of the game. The people who want to go there are probably made up of mostly players who enjoyed that version when it was retail (i.e., former customers).
I think we will be surprised. A lot of people that did not get the chance to play classic wow in its time may go back to see it. My daughter played starting at TBC and was too young to fully play the game. She said she would pounce on the chance to play vanilla. Although I would play for the gameplay, There is a huge amount of content that I did not get to see in vanilla and would love to play.
I would just make the phone call first. See if it is worth the time.
I think Mark Kern knows Mike Morhaime better than any of us do.
Yes, but it sounds to me like he doesn't have a close working relationship to me. Get it? That's why I would pick up the phone... IF I were that close. The fact he has all this prework to do sounds like he just has an in.
Close enough to have his cell number
hmmmm ... I have the cell number of every upper management team member in my office. But we're not hanging out at the pool every summer.
Hanging around the pool is a different thing.
Would they answer?
Would they give you their ear?
I wasn't trying to imply that they are best friends or anything like that. According to Mark Kern, he will have no problem accessing Mike Morhaime.
Blizzard doesn't have to appease the thieves and accomplices by opening a legacy server.
They are not thieves if they pay to play on a legacy server.
People who play on a private current version WoW server play because they want WoW free.
People who play on a private classic version WoW server play because they want old WoW.
In the majority of cases, this is probably true. Younger players on average are not going to gravitate towards the older version of the game. The people who want to go there are probably made up of mostly players who enjoyed that version when it was retail (i.e., former customers).
You're making such wild claims with no data to back this up. Age nothing to do with this conversation.
Blizzard doesn't have to appease the thieves and accomplices by opening a legacy server.
They are not thieves if they pay to play on a legacy server.
People who play on a private current version WoW server play because they want WoW free.
People who play on a private classic version WoW server play because they want old WoW.
In the majority of cases, this is probably true. Younger players on average are not going to gravitate towards the older version of the game. The people who want to go there are probably made up of mostly players who enjoyed that version when it was retail (i.e., former customers).
You're making such wild claims with no data to back this up. Age nothing to do with this conversation.
It's not a wild claim at all. They dumbed down the game to attract new players. Do you think it was older players demanding an easier, quicker game? Possible, but not likely.
If you think older players outnumbered younger players in Vanilla then you're sorely mistaken. You seem to think there wasn't many younger players back then.
I would just make the phone call first. See if it is worth the time.
I think Mark Kern knows Mike Morhaime better than any of us do.
Yes, but it sounds to me like he doesn't have a close working relationship to me. Get it? That's why I would pick up the phone... IF I were that close. The fact he has all this prework to do sounds like he just has an in.
Close enough to have his cell number
hmmmm ... I have the cell number of every upper management team member in my office. But we're not hanging out at the pool every summer.
To me, something just sounds off about the whole thing. Feels like the long way around it. I would do it differently so perhaps that is my bias.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
While 200,000 might seem to be an impressive number, its entirely probable that only a fraction of that number would actually pay to play on a Vanilla server if Blizzard provided one, so why should Blizzard take notice of them? If the Nostalrius server had been allowed to keep running, on the condition that all the players that used it paid a fee for doing so, those players would in all probability just migrate to some other 'free' private server instead, and thats the problem with the petition, and why Blizzard will inevitably ignore it, there is literally nothing to be gained from doing so, the petition is nothing more than a token protest, that everyone knows will have zero effect, except to make themselves feel better about things. Well done!
Like I said in other threads about this. I just don't see Blizzard making any kind of legacy server. Even if they did. I don't think it would do that great. The game is never as one remembers. You can't recapture that feeling you had first playing the game.
Money is time, and setting all of it up cost them money, then when the inevitable happens and the population starts dropping off, they then have to merge servers. More money and time than. It just isn't worth it to them.
On a scale of 1-10, 10 being Blizzard caring the most about making a legacy server. I'm pretty sure Blizzard is setting around -10. They would of made one by now if they even cared the slightest. It has been asked for for how many years now? And nothing.
And as others have stated, you can sign that petition repeatedly, who's to say that some just didn't spam the signature page. 200k for a petition that can be signed repeatedly isn't anything magical.
If a few fans managed to put up a vanilla server it can't possibly cost Blizzard that much work and money. And they did manage to get a pretty impressive number of players so I am pretty sure Blizzard would earn money on it.
It's not a matter of whether it's costs them or even if they can turn a profit on a vanilla server. The computations are much more complicated. how many people will stop playing WoW proper to go to Vanilla. If people playing vanilla are paying a nominal amount, what's the difference? Now, all those people who moved to vanilla, aren't gonna be buying any expansions... how does that affect the dollar difference?
I think people have a very simplistic view of the economics of it. It's not a simple 1+1 equation.
It has to make them more money as money is the point of their products. And the ROI has to be better than the ROI on something they could do it it's place. It isn't about them doing something 'nice' for the fans. If they do it, they can say they are doing fan service, but someone would have to be a fool to believe it.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
Blizzard doesn't have to appease the thieves and accomplices by opening a legacy server.
They are not thieves if they pay to play on a legacy server.
People who play on a private current version WoW server play because they want WoW free.
People who play on a private classic version WoW server play because they want old WoW.
In the majority of cases, this is probably true. Younger players on average are not going to gravitate towards the older version of the game. The people who want to go there are probably made up of mostly players who enjoyed that version when it was retail (i.e., former customers).
You're making such wild claims with no data to back this up. Age nothing to do with this conversation.
It's not a wild claim at all. They dumbed down the game to attract new players. Do you think it was older players demanding an easier, quicker game? Possible, but not likely.
If you think older players outnumbered younger players in Vanilla then you're sorely mistaken. You seem to think there wasn't many younger players back then.
I had an 7, 10 and 11 year old playing Vanilla. I was paying Blizzard $60 a month. Ask them which WoW they preferred.
Only one pre ordered Legion and that same one played Nostralius.
It was the youngest.
One of the neatest things is that they have made lifelong friendships from those old days in WoW. Friends from every corner of North America. Friends that they still play online with today and that I have seen grow up along side my own kids.
Blizzard doesn't have to appease the thieves and accomplices by opening a legacy server.
They are not thieves if they pay to play on a legacy server.
People who play on a private current version WoW server play because they want WoW free.
People who play on a private classic version WoW server play because they want old WoW.
I never said they were if they paid, read the whole thing. I said that Blizzard doesn't have to appease the thieves and accomplices. That is what they were, the thieves stole the code...the accomplices played on said coded server. Blizzard in no way has to appease those people by opening a legacy server.
You can dress it up however you want. But if they play on a emu server with stolen code, they are accomplices to the stolen code. You can dress up shit, but at the end of the day it is still shit.
Alright, time to step in and ask the same question I did in the original thread. What stolen code? The code that Blizzard says doesn't exist anymore? If it doesn't exist, how did they steal it?
You can spout all the bullshit "facts" you want about stolen code and freeloaders, it doesn't make any of it true.
Just because you say it isn't stolen doesn't make that fact. It doesn't matter if Blizzard says the code doesn't exist anymore it is still Blizzards code. They can and will shut down any server that steals it. It is their right as that is their IP to begin with. Just because you don't think it isn't true, doesn't make it any less true.
But Blizzard didn't write it so how can it be their code? The Server emulator was written from scratch there is not a single line of Blizzard code in there, nothing was stolen. Maybe you should inform yourself before trolling here.
I don't believe there was as many players under the age of 18 in WoW back then, no. Some, sure, but I doubt they outnumbered the young adults.
What data have you seen in order to form that conclusion?
If the answer is none, then you're just speculating, and judging from my own actual experience with the game in 04 and onward I'd be forced to disagree with your assessment. Frankly, you don't seem very well informed or educated on the subject at hand.
Blizzard doesn't have to appease the thieves and accomplices by opening a legacy server.
They are not thieves if they pay to play on a legacy server.
People who play on a private current version WoW server play because they want WoW free.
People who play on a private classic version WoW server play because they want old WoW.
In the majority of cases, this is probably true. Younger players on average are not going to gravitate towards the older version of the game. The people who want to go there are probably made up of mostly players who enjoyed that version when it was retail (i.e., former customers).
You're making such wild claims with no data to back this up. Age nothing to do with this conversation.
It's not a wild claim at all. They dumbed down the game to attract new players. Do you think it was older players demanding an easier, quicker game? Possible, but not likely.
If you think older players outnumbered younger players in Vanilla then you're sorely mistaken. You seem to think there wasn't many younger players back then.
I had an 7, 10 and 11 year old playing Vanilla. I was paying Blizzard $60 a month. Ask them which WoW they preferred.
Only one pre ordered Legion and that same one played Nostralius.
It was the youngest.
One of the neatest things is that they have made lifelong friendships from those old days in WoW. Friends from every corner of North America. Friends that they still play online with today and that I have seen grow up along side my own kids.
Pretty fucking cool.
Huh .... my parents never would have paid for me to play a MMO at that age. Perhaps my assumptions in that regard are clouded by my personal childhood experiences and what I knew of my friends' parents back then. Very cool, by the way.
WoW was and most likely still is a great way to spend time with your kids. We had some truly awesome times the I and most likely them will look back at with fond memories for the rest of our lives.
Back in those old days we had a lan room with 5 rigs set up in it. We all played right beside each other until WotLK and we moved into a different home.
I'm here to tell you, if Blizzard had ONE pre-BC server, I would probably still be paying a subscription. Im not saying I quit when BC dropped, I have a lvl 100 toon, I just dont play anymore.
Look, regardless of what any of us think or believe Blizzard is the only one that can make a Legacy server happen. Nothing we do, say, or sign will make it happen. Once Blizzard decides then action for or against will happen.
All the screaming and crying for and bickering against isn't going to make it happen or prevent it from happening. It doesn't matter how many petitions are signed or not signed. Blizzard holds the power to make it happen or not.
We all have our opinions and we hold onto those, but in the end it is Blizzard that will decide. And maybe in a year or two after all that Blizzard is trying to achieve right now, they will sit down and discuss it with the WoW team and decide. But I doubt it will be anytime soon.
Who's screaming? and who's bickering?
Its 100% that it's being talked about high up. And it's 100% that they will make a decision about it.
They will do it, they will not do it or they will not do it, and/or decide to also completely ignore it.
Make no mistake, it's a topic of thoughts and discussions.
Everyone's entitled to their views and besides... this type of stuff is fun to talk about and the main reason I come to these boards is...
Look, regardless of what any of us think or believe Blizzard is the only one that can make a Legacy server happen. Nothing we do, say, or sign will make it happen. Once Blizzard decides then action for or against will happen.
All the screaming and crying for and bickering against isn't going to make it happen or prevent it from happening. It doesn't matter how many petitions are signed or not signed. Blizzard holds the power to make it happen or not.
We all have our opinions and we hold onto those, but in the end it is Blizzard that will decide. And maybe in a year or two after all that Blizzard is trying to achieve right now, they will sit down and discuss it with the WoW team and decide. But I doubt it will be anytime soon.
Who's screaming? and who's bickering?
Its 100% that it's being talked about high up. And it's 100% that they will make a decision about it.
They will do it, they will not do it or they will not do it, and/or decide to also completely ignore it.
Make no mistake, it's a topic of thoughts and discussions.
Everyone entitled to their view and besides... this type of stuff is fun to talk about and is the main reason I come to these boards.
Too talk about cool shit.
I didn't say one damn thing about not talking about it. You are just picking at shit to start crap now. I said that it will either happen or not. But there is screaming and bickering on both sides. To think there isn't is being daft about the situation. One side thinks it is Blizzards responsibility to make them since they are shutting down the emu's and the other side doesn't see the need for them since WoW nowdays is perfectly fine the way it is. And it isn't 100% that it is being talked about, please point me to that. I must of missed a post by Blizzard saying we'll tell you something sometime soon.
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If the money is there, and a significant stable population exists for a vanilla WoW, then if Blizzard had modern change management and version management software in place for their products in 2004, it is possible to see a Blizzard sponsored vanilla WoW. My guess is, they may have the source code saved and could go back to 2004 if they wanted to, but the actual world might not be a code asset, and might not have been saved. They could make the game operate as it did in 2004, but putting the NPCs, quests, and other elements may have. It would probably take longer than it took them to set up the server in its original state than it took them originally. Therefore, it would probably cost too much for Blizzard to justify.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
All I'm sayign is that having the cell phone of someone in a management position is not any indication of anything other than "having their cell phone number".
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Look, regardless of what any of us think or believe Blizzard is the only one that can make a Legacy server happen. Nothing we do, say, or sign will make it happen. Once Blizzard decides then action for or against will happen.
All the screaming and crying for and bickering against isn't going to make it happen or prevent it from happening. It doesn't matter how many petitions are signed or not signed. Blizzard holds the power to make it happen or not.
We all have our opinions and we hold onto those, but in the end it is Blizzard that will decide. And maybe in a year or two after all that Blizzard is trying to achieve right now, they will sit down and discuss it with the WoW team and decide. But I doubt it will be anytime soon.
Who's screaming? and who's bickering?
Its 100% that it's being talked about high up. And it's 100% that they will make a decision about it.
They will do it, they will not do it or they will not do it, and/or decide to also completely ignore it.
Make no mistake, it's a topic of thoughts and discussions.
Everyone entitled to their view and besides... this type of stuff is fun to talk about and is the main reason I come to these boards.
Too talk about cool shit.
I didn't say one damn thing about not talking about it. You are just picking at shit to start crap now. I said that it will either happen or not. But there is screaming and bickering on both sides. To think there isn't is being daft about the situation. One side thinks it is Blizzards responsibility to make them since they are shutting down the emu's and the other side doesn't see the need for them since WoW nowdays is perfectly fine the way it is. And it isn't 100% that it is being talked about, please point me to that. I must of missed a post by Blizzard saying we'll tell you something sometime soon.
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I'm perfectly calm, but you are stating things as they are facts. I haven't seen one thing from Blizzard saying, sure we are considering this or not considering it. From everything I have found Blizzard themself are just staying silent on the situation for the time being. Now, they may come out and say something sometime. But really they have to much on their plate at the moment to care about what a couple 100k..in reality probably 100k..have to say about a private server that got shutdown or legacy server.
And for the bickering and all, it may not be so much bickering and screaming as debate, which is fine. All I was saying is it doesn't matter how much we debate, argue or voice our opinions, Blizzard has the final say in what happens. That is all I was saying. Personally I'm glad there is a debate, conversation or whatever you want to call it going on, it gives people a place to voice their concern. But in end it is just that, a conversation that really will have no impact on what happens with Blizzard. Only Blizzard can decide for Blizzard.
Do really believe that Mark Morhaime hasn't heard about the petition? and hasn't thought about it? Do you not think that he is making decisions about it inside his head? weighing things out?
It's big gaming news, on some pretty big sites like PC Gamer.
All I'm sayign is that having the cell phone of someone in a management position is not any indication of anything other than "having their cell phone number".
Agreed
And all I'm saying is that if your are legitimately *given* a cell number. It usually mean that you have that person's ear.
Personally I don't give my cell phone number to people I do not want to talk to.
Look, regardless of what any of us think or believe Blizzard is the only one that can make a Legacy server happen. Nothing we do, say, or sign will make it happen. Once Blizzard decides then action for or against will happen.
All the screaming and crying for and bickering against isn't going to make it happen or prevent it from happening. It doesn't matter how many petitions are signed or not signed. Blizzard holds the power to make it happen or not.
We all have our opinions and we hold onto those, but in the end it is Blizzard that will decide. And maybe in a year or two after all that Blizzard is trying to achieve right now, they will sit down and discuss it with the WoW team and decide. But I doubt it will be anytime soon.
Who's screaming? and who's bickering?
Its 100% that it's being talked about high up. And it's 100% that they will make a decision about it.
They will do it, they will not do it or they will not do it, and/or decide to also completely ignore it.
Make no mistake, it's a topic of thoughts and discussions.
Everyone entitled to their view and besides... this type of stuff is fun to talk about and is the main reason I come to these boards.
Too talk about cool shit.
I didn't say one damn thing about not talking about it. You are just picking at shit to start crap now. I said that it will either happen or not. But there is screaming and bickering on both sides. To think there isn't is being daft about the situation. One side thinks it is Blizzards responsibility to make them since they are shutting down the emu's and the other side doesn't see the need for them since WoW nowdays is perfectly fine the way it is. And it isn't 100% that it is being talked about, please point me to that. I must of missed a post by Blizzard saying we'll tell you something sometime soon.
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I'm perfectly calm, but you are stating things as they are facts. I haven't seen one thing from Blizzard saying, sure we are considering this or not considering it. From everything I have found Blizzard themself are just staying silent on the situation for the time being. Now, they may come out and say something sometime. But really they have to much on their plate at the moment to care about what a couple 100k..in reality probably 100k..have to say about a private server that got shutdown or legacy server.
And for the bickering and all, it may not be so much bickering and screaming as debate, which is fine. All I was saying is it doesn't matter how much we debate, argue or voice our opinions, Blizzard has the final say in what happens. That is all I was saying. Personally I'm glad there is a debate, conversation or whatever you want to call it going on, it gives people a place to voice their concern. But in end it is just that, a conversation that really will have no impact on what happens with Blizzard. Only Blizzard can decide for Blizzard.
Do really believe that Mark Morhaime hasn't heard about the petition? and hasn't thought about it? Do you not think that he is making decisions about it inside his head? weighing things out?
It's big gaming news, on some pretty big sites like PC Gamer.
I mean come on. Do you not think that he's been notified about it? What do you think the odds are that he hasn't thought about it?
Common sense tells me 100%
Could I be wrong? I guess I most certainly can be.
Until Blizzard comes out and says we are thinking about it, nothing is 100%. They very well couldn't give two craps about all this. Just because some media sites are covering it doesn't mean he is paying the least bit of attention to it. They have more important things to think about right now, like the release of Legion which is due out in what 4 months give or take. So yeah, I would think that is what they are thinking about. Not the fact that 100k people want some legacy server.
Could he be thinking about it? Sure, he may have put a thought or two through his head for it. Will he do anything about it anytime soon...very doubtful.
And you may very well be correct.
In this thread I'm not debating whether or not there should be WoW legacy servers or which direction Blizzard will take.
My position in this thread is that Blizzard will think about it. They'll take it seriously enough to release a public statement about it.
edit: I believe that Mark Kern publicly taking this to Blizzard leaves them with no choice.
Look, regardless of what any of us think or believe Blizzard is the only one that can make a Legacy server happen. Nothing we do, say, or sign will make it happen. Once Blizzard decides then action for or against will happen.
All the screaming and crying for and bickering against isn't going to make it happen or prevent it from happening. It doesn't matter how many petitions are signed or not signed. Blizzard holds the power to make it happen or not.
We all have our opinions and we hold onto those, but in the end it is Blizzard that will decide. And maybe in a year or two after all that Blizzard is trying to achieve right now, they will sit down and discuss it with the WoW team and decide. But I doubt it will be anytime soon.
Who's screaming? and who's bickering?
Its 100% that it's being talked about high up. And it's 100% that they will make a decision about it.
They will do it, they will not do it or they will not do it, and/or decide to also completely ignore it.
Make no mistake, it's a topic of thoughts and discussions.
Everyone entitled to their view and besides... this type of stuff is fun to talk about and is the main reason I come to these boards.
Too talk about cool shit.
I didn't say one damn thing about not talking about it. You are just picking at shit to start crap now. I said that it will either happen or not. But there is screaming and bickering on both sides. To think there isn't is being daft about the situation. One side thinks it is Blizzards responsibility to make them since they are shutting down the emu's and the other side doesn't see the need for them since WoW nowdays is perfectly fine the way it is. And it isn't 100% that it is being talked about, please point me to that. I must of missed a post by Blizzard saying we'll tell you something sometime soon.
Whoa..... hold on dare Cowboy, I didn't mean to piss in dem dare cheerios.
Hi Ho Silver Away!
lol
I'm perfectly calm, but you are stating things as they are facts. I haven't seen one thing from Blizzard saying, sure we are considering this or not considering it. From everything I have found Blizzard themself are just staying silent on the situation for the time being. Now, they may come out and say something sometime. But really they have to much on their plate at the moment to care about what a couple 100k..in reality probably 100k..have to say about a private server that got shutdown or legacy server.
And for the bickering and all, it may not be so much bickering and screaming as debate, which is fine. All I was saying is it doesn't matter how much we debate, argue or voice our opinions, Blizzard has the final say in what happens. That is all I was saying. Personally I'm glad there is a debate, conversation or whatever you want to call it going on, it gives people a place to voice their concern. But in end it is just that, a conversation that really will have no impact on what happens with Blizzard. Only Blizzard can decide for Blizzard.
Do really believe that Mark Morhaime hasn't heard about the petition? and hasn't thought about it? Do you not think that he is making decisions about it inside his head? weighing things out?
It's big gaming news, on some pretty big sites like PC Gamer.
I mean come on. Do you not think that he's been notified about it? What do you think the odds are that he hasn't thought about it?
Common sense tells me 100%
Could I be wrong? I guess I most certainly can be.
Until Blizzard comes out and says we are thinking about it, nothing is 100%. They very well couldn't give two craps about all this. Just because some media sites are covering it doesn't mean he is paying the least bit of attention to it. They have more important things to think about right now, like the release of Legion which is due out in what 4 months give or take. So yeah, I would think that is what they are thinking about. Not the fact that 100k people want some legacy server.
Could he be thinking about it? Sure, he may have put a thought or two through his head for it. Will he do anything about it anytime soon...very doubtful.
And you may very well be correct.
In this thread I'm not debating whether or not there should be WoW legacy servers or which direction Blizzard will take.
My personal view is that Blizzard will think about it. They'll take it seriously enough to release a public statement about it.
edit: I believe that Mark Kern publicly taking this to Blizzard leaves them with no choice.
I can agree with that, they may very well release a statement sometime soon. But I wonder, if it is on the side of no, we will not open a Legacy server, we have no desire to at this time. What will happen then, will those that are fighting so hard to have one open say ok, they made their decision or will they keep trying to pressure Blizzard into doing it?
I see it as a no win for Blizzard, because if they do release a statement saying no, then I doubt the campaign will stop. But say they do release a statement saying they will. It will seem as if they caved and all that stuff about we won't do/don't have the code, it goes out the window. Or say they even release the servers, and it isn't as people remembered. Then some want these QoL changes and those QoL changes. Then it is more work for Blizzard to get it to work for those servers. Or so many people leave, like EQ2's TLE servers. It just seems like a lot of work on their part for little payoff.
But who knows, maybe in a month Blizzard will say yes or no, we just have to wait and see.
Some people can't let anything go.
All anyone can do is respect them for expressing their position.
As far as a positive outcome for Vanilla fans? If it is a positive outcome, it would be mutually positive.
I think it has less to do what blizzard thinks about the individual things like Mark, or the petition. Its when you put it all together it forces a response from them. Most people would say that blizzard won't change their minds, I also believe this.
However, it gives people an answer. ---------------- When or if blizzard responds remains to be seen. However a lot of people have hope that maybe they can play the game they once loved legitimately. And if blizzard decides to say No, then we will, more than likely, see an increase in the amount of private servers currently running.
I think Blizzard already gave a quite clear and audible "answer" with that Cease and Desist; and the fact that they've chosen not to create a legacy server despite people asking for it for many years.
I'm not really sure what people are expecting them to suddenly say? The response is there -- people just choose not to see it.
I guess an answer is only an answer when it's the one people want to hear.
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Would they answer?
Would they give you their ear?
I wasn't trying to imply that they are best friends or anything like that. According to Mark Kern, he will have no problem accessing Mike Morhaime.
http://www.pcgamer.com/nostalrius-petition-passes-200k-signatures-mark-kern-to-deliver-it/
I have no reason as of yet to question that.
Do you?
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To me, something just sounds off about the whole thing. Feels like the long way around it. I would do it differently so perhaps that is my bias.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
If the Nostalrius server had been allowed to keep running, on the condition that all the players that used it paid a fee for doing so, those players would in all probability just migrate to some other 'free' private server instead, and thats the problem with the petition, and why Blizzard will inevitably ignore it, there is literally nothing to be gained from doing so, the petition is nothing more than a token protest, that everyone knows will have zero effect, except to make themselves feel better about things. Well done!
It has to make them more money as money is the point of their products. And the ROI has to be better than the ROI on something they could do it it's place. It isn't about them doing something 'nice' for the fans. If they do it, they can say they are doing fan service, but someone would have to be a fool to believe it.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Only one pre ordered Legion and that same one played Nostralius.
It was the youngest.
One of the neatest things is that they have made lifelong friendships from those old days in WoW. Friends from every corner of North America. Friends that they still play online with today and that I have seen grow up along side my own kids.
Pretty fucking cool.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
The Server emulator was written from scratch there is not a single line of Blizzard code in there, nothing was stolen.
Maybe you should inform yourself before trolling here.
If the answer is none, then you're just speculating, and judging from my own actual experience with the game in 04 and onward I'd be forced to disagree with your assessment. Frankly, you don't seem very well informed or educated on the subject at hand.
Back in those old days we had a lan room with 5 rigs set up in it. We all played right beside each other until WotLK and we moved into a different home.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Its 100% that it's being talked about high up. And it's 100% that they will make a decision about it.
They will do it, they will not do it or they will not do it, and/or decide to also completely ignore it.
Make no mistake, it's a topic of thoughts and discussions.
Everyone's entitled to their views and besides... this type of stuff is fun to talk about and the main reason I come to these boards is...
To talk about cool shit.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Hi Ho Silver Away!
lol
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Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
It's big gaming news, on some pretty big sites like PC Gamer.
http://www.pcgamer.com/inside-the-server-blizzard-wants-to-shut-down/
http://www.pcgamer.com/nostalrius-petition-passes-200k-signatures-mark-kern-to-deliver-it/
I mean come on. Do you not think that he's been notified about it? What do you think the odds are that he hasn't thought about it?
Common sense tells me 100%
Could I be wrong? I guess I most certainly can be.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
And all I'm saying is that if your are legitimately *given* a cell number. It usually mean that you have that person's ear.
Personally I don't give my cell phone number to people I do not want to talk to.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
In this thread I'm not debating whether or not there should be WoW legacy servers or which direction Blizzard will take.
My position in this thread is that Blizzard will think about it. They'll take it seriously enough to release a public statement about it.
edit: I believe that Mark Kern publicly taking this to Blizzard leaves them with no choice.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
All anyone can do is respect them for expressing their position.
As far as a positive outcome for Vanilla fans? If it is a positive outcome, it would be mutually positive.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I'm not really sure what people are expecting them to suddenly say? The response is there -- people just choose not to see it.
I guess an answer is only an answer when it's the one people want to hear.