Challenging MMOs

Lord.Bachus · February 2016

i am looking for an MMO that offers challenge ( even during the leveling)
with good graphics and good annimations..
where risk is rewarded, but failing gets punnished..

what would you advise me to play...

Derros · February 2016

EvE is probably the only thing released right now that could fit that, outside something like Darkfall. It seems you want more a traditional MMO, best bet is to wait for one of the indie ones to release.

simsalabim77 · February 2016

EVE. Don't get stuck in hi-sec and don't be afraid of losing ships.

Amathe · February 2016

Project Gorgon.

Theocritus · February 2016

Have you ever tried Stalker Online? Its a shooter but very challenging in that they dont speak English and the Russian players are always trying to kill you....It feels like you were dumped in Russia and have to survive...Almsot all of the quests are in english tho so its not totally impossible.

Copperfield · February 2016

www.riseofagon.com

Viper482 · February 2016

Sorry, all the challenging MMOs have been replaced by the same old reruns of "themepark quest grind level to max in 2 days and buy stuff from our cash shop" crap. As long as there are people buying this crap that is where the market will be. Have to cater to the modern day "I want it all, I want it now, take my money" generation.

Scorchien · February 2016

Altho i agree, i dont think there is anything that fits the Ops bill,I am hoping Patheon can ...

Pepeq · February 2016

Lord.Bachus said:

i am looking for an MMO that offers challenge ( even during the leveling)
with good graphics and good annimations..
where risk is rewarded, but failing gets punnished..

what would you advise me to play...

You've hopped from MMO to MMO... praised the fun and et al for each then departed each for exactly the same reason... people stopped playing it or they aren't currently adding any new content.

There are games out there that meet your request, but they lack players. The question is, are you really looking for the above or for a game that actually has people playing it? In this day in age it's either A or B... not A and B. You want to play entirely on your own, the list is long. You want to play with others, the list is almost nonexistent.

Lord.Bachus · February 2016

Pepeq said:

Lord.Bachus said:

i am looking for an MMO that offers challenge ( even during the leveling)
with good graphics and good annimations..
where risk is rewarded, but failing gets punnished..

what would you advise me to play...

You've hopped from MMO to MMO... praised the fun and et al for each then departed each for exactly the same reason... people stopped playing it or they aren't currently adding any new content.

There are games out there that meet your request, but they lack players. The question is, are you really looking for the above or for a game that actually has people playing it? In this day in age it's either A or B... not A and B. You want to play entirely on your own, the list is long. You want to play with others, the list is almost nonexistent.

Probably true...

Thats probably why i am allways looking for C in a binary world..

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Wizardry · February 2016

Most challenging game by far and of all time,FFXI.
However it is no longer the case as just like FFXIV they have turned it into more of a WOW clone,however make no mistake there are a LOT of real tough battles.

However nothing to stop a group of players from playing it vanilla style and you would then see how tough it really was.
I mean in reality questing for xp covers 99% of the genre and that is SUPER EASY mode.VERY few likely you can count them on one hand that give xp via combat only.

Example in FFXI unlike questing where you fight mobs same level,you fight mobs several levels higher,no way to be done solo.Those fights would have to be very difficult to get enough xp ,which has changed a lot now basically 2-5x more xp per kill.

Example your group might be level 25,you would be fighting stuff level 28-33.As soon as mobs are even 1 level higher,they are harder to hit and you do a lot less dmg ,taking a lot more damage.Since game has changed,only those that played it back in the day know how tough it really was.

simsalabim77 · February 2016

What was so challenging about FFXI? It just took a shitload of time to do anything. I played from NA launch until mid-ToAU and completed all the content when it was relevant. It wasn't hard. It was time consuming. Spending a lot of time doing something doesn't make it challenging.

OhhPaigey · February 2016

WoW.

Quizzical · February 2016

Spiral Knights

It's not your traditional theme park MMORPG, as it's basically a lobby and semi-randomly generated instanced dungeons. But it has the best combat I've ever seen in an MMORPG, and it's designed to challenge you, especially once you get to tier 3.

Distopia · February 2016

The last game I can think of that really offered what you're seeking is Lineage 2. As it's the last game made, I can think of where harsh punishment existed in PVE. Which there have only been a couple games in this genre ever made that way. Good luck?

ElirionLoth · February 2016

Wizardry said:

Most challenging game by far and of all time,FFXI.
However it is no longer the case as just like FFXIV they have turned it into more of a WOW clone,however make no mistake there are a LOT of real tough battles.

However nothing to stop a group of players from playing it vanilla style and you would then see how tough it really was.
I mean in reality questing for xp covers 99% of the genre and that is SUPER EASY mode.VERY few likely you can count them on one hand that give xp via combat only.

Example in FFXI unlike questing where you fight mobs same level,you fight mobs several levels higher,no way to be done solo.Those fights would have to be very difficult to get enough xp ,which has changed a lot now basically 2-5x more xp per kill.

Example your group might be level 25,you would be fighting stuff level 28-33.As soon as mobs are even 1 level higher,they are harder to hit and you do a lot less dmg ,taking a lot more damage.Since game has changed,only those that played it back in the day know how tough it really was.

Agreed. FFXI, before Abyssea, is still my favorite MMO of all time. Leveling was challenging and fun, story fights were tough and required team work, end game was diverse with multiple routes to good gear, and there was lots to do besides fight constantly.

Theocritus · February 2016

FFXI was terrible...An incredibly rude and snobbish player base and a boring time sync game.

SomethingUnusual · February 2016

Theocritus said:

FFXI was terrible...An incredibly rude and snobbish player base and a boring time sync game.

No wonder I was so bad at FFXI, I never synced my clock!

To the original poster: challenge is certainly subjective. Perhaps a bit more detail?
Are you looking for a critical thinking challenge? Dungeons and Dragons Online would be a good start, lots of puzzles and mazes to challenge you.
Are you looking for a combative challenge? Very touchy and very subjective. As many games can accomplish this either through timing, reaction, attention to detail, the list can go on (thus subjective). I honestly can't even think of a particular game off the top of my head that was truly challenging in the combat, maybe a couple encounters, but a pretty even field in that department.
My suggestion would be while leveling, don't over-gear and over-level the content? But who likes bandaids anyway?

pacov81 · February 2016

Challenging? Try Entropia Universe... O.o

Ghuandar · April 2016

Hey. I know the feeling. I've been searching hard for a good mmo (or something similar such as a diablo style with multiplayer possibility) with a challenging pve on the whole where leveling is relatively slower (as was typical in the past) plus the mmo has to have at least fairly deep customization for level progression (ex. big skill trees, cross skill/class group picking or something similar). These are the two things that to me have to be there at minimum to make an mmo fun for me. The rest of the usual items for -my- mmo (ex. graphics, story/plot, pve capability, character appearance, combat mechanics, etc) of course should be somewhat decent at least even if one or more of such is not that great (I’m at a point now where I can live with certain weak points among such remaining items and still have fun overall).

Anyways, here's a list of games that meets my two important criteria. Check them out and feel free to comment back. I hope this helps!

Champions Online

DDO

Age of Conan

Path of Exile

Allods

RaiderZ

Tree of Savior

Ryzum

Getamped2 (actually a fighting mmo but it looks appealing nonetheless)

Everquest

Everquest project 1999

Ones still in development but to keep watching for till released

Project Gorgon

Pantheon

Sid_Vicious · May 2016

darkfall!! : P

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