Between the spotty performance issues and this disaster, I've shelved the Division for a while, at least until they actually figure out how to operate the damn thing properly.
Cheaters blaming their cheating and exploitation on the existence of the bugs is like me blaming Nutella and silverware manufacturers for making me fat, or holding the makers of matches and firearms responsible for arson and murder, respectively.
But such is the world we live in. Nobody is responsible for their own actions anymore. What a joke our 'civilization' has become.
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People BOUGHT the game and should not get a permanent ban IMO. Rather a temp ban (1 month or so) and full wipe of their characters and owned stuff. Let them start all over again and play without cheating. If caught after that then a permanent ban is in place.
If a person buys a new car and uses that car in a crime chances are they will lose the car.
No one takes my car when I drive too fast or worst case kill a person while driving, especially not the manufacturer. If you can't pay the fine then maybe but otherwise no chance. And comparing hurting people in real life with a computer game is... let's call it "strange".
Besides, if it's true that devs did it on stream I guess it's sure to say: working as intended.
Hmm reading comprehension 101 there pal not once did I say anything about "hurting anyone" kind of "strange" you jumped to that conclusion.
Its also weird all the auctions police departments have...where do they all those vehicles.
So what about Ubisoft's responsibility not to break their game worse with their bug fixes?
When will you ever learn the values of testing code before you release it?
Code is actually on Massive not Ubisoft...but hey you get your hate on where ever you can even if it's not directed at the right people.
Ubisoft's game. Ubisoft's responsiblity. But thanks for playing "pass the buck". You get your hate on MS wherever you can.
It's not pass the buck it's facts sorry they are hard for you. Massive does the coding not Ubisoft and I don't hate either I play the game clearly you are a CoD or Destiny boy.
People BOUGHT the game and should not get a permanent ban IMO. Rather a temp ban (1 month or so) and full wipe of their characters and owned stuff. Let them start all over again and play without cheating. If caught after that then a permanent ban is in place.
If a person buys a new car and uses that car in a crime chances are they will lose the car.
No one takes my car when I drive too fast or worst case kill a person while driving, especially not the manufacturer. If you can't pay the fine then maybe but otherwise no chance. And comparing hurting people in real life with a computer game is... let's call it "strange".
Besides, if it's true that devs did it on stream I guess it's sure to say: working as intended.
Hmm reading comprehension 101 there pal not once did I say anything about "hurting anyone" kind of "strange" you jumped to that conclusion.
Its also weird all the auctions police departments have...where do they all those vehicles.
So what about Ubisoft's responsibility not to break their game worse with their bug fixes?
everyone is 100% responsible for their actions. Devs are 100% responsible for bad game designs, bugs and for not dealing with them. Players who exploit those situations are 100% responsible for that. Ignorance of bad game design, bugs or other exploits is no excuse.
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People BOUGHT the game and should not get a permanent ban IMO. Rather a temp ban (1 month or so) and full wipe of their characters and owned stuff. Let them start all over again and play without cheating. If caught after that then a permanent ban is in place.
If a person buys a new car and uses that car in a crime chances are they will lose the car.
No one takes my car when I drive too fast or worst case kill a person while driving, especially not the manufacturer. If you can't pay the fine then maybe but otherwise no chance. And comparing hurting people in real life with a computer game is... let's call it "strange".
Besides, if it's true that devs did it on stream I guess it's sure to say: working as intended.
Hmm reading comprehension 101 there pal not once did I say anything about "hurting anyone" kind of "strange" you jumped to that conclusion.
Its also weird all the auctions police departments have...where do they all those vehicles.
So what about Ubisoft's responsibility not to break their game worse with their bug fixes?
Why are you trying so hard here? Did all your friends leave cod to play TD? Your desperation to bash The division is cute. Care to explain how their bug fixes yesterday made it worse? Can't wait for this answer...
People BOUGHT the game and should not get a permanent ban IMO. Rather a temp ban (1 month or so) and full wipe of their characters and owned stuff. Let them start all over again and play without cheating. If caught after that then a permanent ban is in place.
If a person buys a new car and uses that car in a crime chances are they will lose the car.
No one takes my car when I drive too fast or worst case kill a person while driving, especially not the manufacturer. If you can't pay the fine then maybe but otherwise no chance. And comparing hurting people in real life with a computer game is... let's call it "strange".
Besides, if it's true that devs did it on stream I guess it's sure to say: working as intended.
Hmm reading comprehension 101 there pal not once did I say anything about "hurting anyone" kind of "strange" you jumped to that conclusion.
Its also weird all the auctions police departments have...where do they all those vehicles.
So what about Ubisoft's responsibility not to break their game worse with their bug fixes?
Why are you trying so hard here? Did all your friends leave cod to play TD? Your desperation to bash The division is cute. Care to explain how their bug fixes yesterday made it worse? Can't wait for this answer...
Why are you trying to hard to shift the blame? It's Ubisoft name on the game. They get the profits. The responsibility is ultimately theirs. Their bug fixes gave cheaters more opportunities and could have been noticed with basic QA and they can't even bother to do that because they don't really care.
Funny how you keep trying to paint me as something I'm not. I don't play Destiny or CoD. I don't play any online FPS. I just believe in corporate responsibility and the bottom line is no excuse for a defective product. If Ubisoft is going to claim ownership of a game and make people use their DRM to play it then they have to accept responsibility for what happens. What you're doing is like defending BP for their massive oil spill in 2014.
People BOUGHT the game and should not get a permanent ban IMO. Rather a temp ban (1 month or so) and full wipe of their characters and owned stuff. Let them start all over again and play without cheating. If caught after that then a permanent ban is in place.
If a person buys a new car and uses that car in a crime chances are they will lose the car.
No one takes my car when I drive too fast or worst case kill a person while driving, especially not the manufacturer. If you can't pay the fine then maybe but otherwise no chance. And comparing hurting people in real life with a computer game is... let's call it "strange".
Besides, if it's true that devs did it on stream I guess it's sure to say: working as intended.
Hmm reading comprehension 101 there pal not once did I say anything about "hurting anyone" kind of "strange" you jumped to that conclusion.
Its also weird all the auctions police departments have...where do they all those vehicles.
So what about Ubisoft's responsibility not to break their game worse with their bug fixes?
Why are you trying so hard here? Did all your friends leave cod to play TD? Your desperation to bash The division is cute. Care to explain how their bug fixes yesterday made it worse? Can't wait for this answer...
Why are you trying to hard to shift the blame? It's Ubisoft name on the game. They get the profits. The responsibility is ultimately theirs. Their bug fixes gave cheaters more opportunities and could have been noticed with basic QA and they can't even bother to do that because they don't really care.
Funny how you keep trying to paint me as something I'm not. I don't play Destiny or CoD. I don't play any online FPS. I just believe in corporate responsibility and the bottom line is no excuse for a defective product. If Ubisoft is going to claim ownership of a game and make people use their DRM to play it then they have to accept responsibility for what happens. What you're doing is like defending BP for their massive oil spill in 2014.
Haha comparing an oil spill to a glitch in a video game? Yeah ok buddy thanks for pointing out that you don't play this game and have no clue what you are talking about and like I said awhile back get your hate on whenever you can.
Oh btw I never shifted blame I have said the entire time the code is on massive and I hold massive responsible for the issues. You keep crying over a video game you don't play...have fun lol
There ya go. Right there. See more exploits. Found after the patch. You know.. that "fixed" stuff.
This stuff.. it's as if it was designed by an 8 year old. We predicted the fails early on. Then in Beta we found out all the stuff was client side instead of server side... people screamed from the mountains.
I actually saw Sxyhxy a Twitch streamer regularly use this line when he was farming and streaming. That it was justified and they were doing UBi a favor because they shipped it with bugs and that he was showing it to the masses. WHich forced them to fix issues. Two boss mob farms. And whatever that raid was with the pit. Maybe more. I tended not to watch very long unless he was pvping. He knew it was wrong. *Key point*
I like his stream mind you. He was pretty decent and a fun personality to watch for a few weeks in that game. But I cringed every time that justification was used. That if it were used in court for any defense it would likely be laughed out of the court room.
To an extent it was true though. He learned of an exploit farm. Abused it on stream. Showed thousands and it compound the problem making it something Ubi had to take a stand on. When all he had to do like many others is talk about it or file reports. The gear advantage after the game was fixed and working as intended is likely to great. The process involved. I haven't looked did SxyHxy's account get banned? If not Ubi needs to look at his saved content and watch through it. Fair is fair. Good personality or not.
People BOUGHT the game and should not get a permanent ban IMO. Rather a temp ban (1 month or so) and full wipe of their characters and owned stuff. Let them start all over again and play without cheating. If caught after that then a permanent ban is in place.
Think this is fair. The problem is the gear advantage. This solution fixes that without having to pick and choose who the company bans. Most likely abused this mechanic. Can't expect Ubi to alienate that many gamers. People knew what they were doing was wrong and did it anyway regardless of how they justify it. They wouldn't feel like it has to be justified if they didn't suspect that it was wrong.
players were exploiting the raid and earning multiple max level items, breaking the Dark Zone while they were at it
Stopped reading short after. I find it funny that in all the crap that has been happening with this half-assed """raid""" (A.K.A.: The one room wave shooter level) you managed to extract only: "Damn dem exploiters!".
Author didn't even realize the bigger issue! The Sentry set is BROKEN and THAT is what is causing the disarray in the Dark Zone. There is so much wrong with saying "people are breaking the game because they are using end-game gear". Doesn't that mean that the end-game gear needs re-balancing? Oh, yes it does. Even without glitches, bugs, stacking or what have you, the way armor/hp works in the game is messed up and needs a serious revamp. This "Incursion" just tossed it under the sun to make it plain to see, but Massive and the media seem to ignore it and just say "dem cheaters!".
Yeah, you can punish all the exploiters now. Remove their gear. Reset their level, take your pick. In a month or two you'll have the very same issue and what will be the scapegoat then?
There ya go. Right there. See more exploits. Found after the patch. You know.. that "fixed" stuff.
This stuff.. it's as if it was designed by an 8 year old. We predicted the fails early on. Then in Beta we found out all the stuff was client side instead of server side... people screamed from the mountains.
How's that working out for you?
How's reading comprehension working for you? I said most and that glitch was there before the patch it's not new...
But hey keep complaining and "predicting fail" even though the games is doing fine and will continue to do fine. It's amazing how much time and effort people like you spend cryin about video games you don't play.
Btw I'm not sure how you predicted "the fail" because the facts (I know you don't like them) say otherwise.
Why are we blaming the gamer's how about the developer releasing content that was so easily cheated?Where is the REAL testing,quality control,why are you paying employees to do a half assed job?
I see so many blind gamer's it really seems like hardly anyone actually sees what is happening to this industry,it is in a shambles,cheap half assed games and devs trying to get far more money out of their game than it is worth. I said from day 1 the Division is a good looking game but not nearly enough released content,it was RUSHED out the door.
The existence of a flaw in code does not justify taking advantage of that flaw. If a company uses software which opens them up to hacking and gets hacked, that doesn't justify the act of hacking them.
I would like to see all exploited items removed from the accounts of those who exploited. Bans would be too harsh, considering the number of players who participated in the exploits.
More importantly, Massive needs to fix their loot system. The amount of effort to obtain one item is extremely high and the chances of it being "useless" are too high. They need to either let players fully-customize every stat on every item at the recalibration station or increase the drop rate on top-tier items so it doesn't feel like it could take a week of playing to get one item upgrade.
I do not think they should ban the exploiters (this word is a better descriptor then cheaters). They should put all of them on their own server. Then they could still play, have fun, and exploit together.
Hell exploiters, hackers, the game is botched. PVE was fun, PVP is impossible due to all the lame retards that need to WIN but can't so they use hackncheat. game is dead to me unfortunately, wish i could be reimbursed the 60$ in all honesty.
I've always thought it stupid for companies to ban or punish players that use "exploits" in the game -- when the "exploits" are written inherently in the game code.
Like Bullet King was a huge exploit... it was fixed.. but had they punished players that utilized it -- that isn't their fault really.
Ability stacking -- big exploit for months, didn't require any modifications to the game or anything like that. People shouldn't be penalized for doing it when they're essentially just utilizing the in-game mechanics.
exploits aren't true cheats or hacks... they are taking items that are already in the game and finding the best use of them. If they want those "exploiters" stopped, they fix the game.
If they want the Hackers stopped -- they ban them. Any unfair advantages you get from 3rd party or modified settings outside of the game should be punished accordingly.
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Cheaters blaming their cheating and exploitation on the existence of the bugs is like me blaming Nutella and silverware manufacturers for making me fat, or holding the makers of matches and firearms responsible for arson and murder, respectively.
But such is the world we live in. Nobody is responsible for their own actions anymore. What a joke our 'civilization' has become.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
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Ubisoft's game. Ubisoft's responsiblity. But thanks for playing "pass the buck". You get your hate on MS wherever you can.
So what about Ubisoft's responsibility not to break their game worse with their bug fixes?
everyone is 100% responsible for their actions. Devs are 100% responsible for bad game designs, bugs and for not dealing with them. Players who exploit those situations are 100% responsible for that. Ignorance of bad game design, bugs or other exploits is no excuse.
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Why are you trying to hard to shift the blame? It's Ubisoft name on the game. They get the profits. The responsibility is ultimately theirs. Their bug fixes gave cheaters more opportunities and could have been noticed with basic QA and they can't even bother to do that because they don't really care.
Funny how you keep trying to paint me as something I'm not. I don't play Destiny or CoD. I don't play any online FPS. I just believe in corporate responsibility and the bottom line is no excuse for a defective product. If Ubisoft is going to claim ownership of a game and make people use their DRM to play it then they have to accept responsibility for what happens. What you're doing is like defending BP for their massive oil spill in 2014.
Oh btw I never shifted blame I have said the entire time the code is on massive and I hold massive responsible for the issues. You keep crying over a video game you don't play...have fun lol
There ya go. Right there. See more exploits. Found after the patch. You know.. that "fixed" stuff.
This stuff.. it's as if it was designed by an 8 year old. We predicted the fails early on. Then in Beta we found out all the stuff was client side instead of server side... people screamed from the mountains.
How's that working out for you?
I like his stream mind you. He was pretty decent and a fun personality to watch for a few weeks in that game. But I cringed every time that justification was used. That if it were used in court for any defense it would likely be laughed out of the court room.
To an extent it was true though. He learned of an exploit farm. Abused it on stream. Showed thousands and it compound the problem making it something Ubi had to take a stand on. When all he had to do like many others is talk about it or file reports. The gear advantage after the game was fixed and working as intended is likely to great. The process involved. I haven't looked did SxyHxy's account get banned? If not Ubi needs to look at his saved content and watch through it. Fair is fair. Good personality or not.
Think this is fair. The problem is the gear advantage. This solution fixes that without having to pick and choose who the company bans. Most likely abused this mechanic. Can't expect Ubi to alienate that many gamers. People knew what they were doing was wrong and did it anyway regardless of how they justify it. They wouldn't feel like it has to be justified if they didn't suspect that it was wrong.
Stopped reading short after. I find it funny that in all the crap that has been happening with this half-assed """raid""" (A.K.A.: The one room wave shooter level) you managed to extract only: "Damn dem exploiters!".
Author didn't even realize the bigger issue! The Sentry set is BROKEN and THAT is what is causing the disarray in the Dark Zone. There is so much wrong with saying "people are breaking the game because they are using end-game gear". Doesn't that mean that the end-game gear needs re-balancing? Oh, yes it does. Even without glitches, bugs, stacking or what have you, the way armor/hp works in the game is messed up and needs a serious revamp. This "Incursion" just tossed it under the sun to make it plain to see, but Massive and the media seem to ignore it and just say "dem cheaters!".
Yeah, you can punish all the exploiters now. Remove their gear. Reset their level, take your pick. In a month or two you'll have the very same issue and what will be the scapegoat then?
But hey keep complaining and "predicting fail" even though the games is doing fine and will continue to do fine. It's amazing how much time and effort people like you spend cryin about video games you don't play.
Btw I'm not sure how you predicted "the fail" because the facts (I know you don't like them) say otherwise.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/15/the-division-first-week-sales-records
So so how's the predicting working for you again??
I would like to see all exploited items removed from the accounts of those who exploited. Bans would be too harsh, considering the number of players who participated in the exploits.
More importantly, Massive needs to fix their loot system. The amount of effort to obtain one item is extremely high and the chances of it being "useless" are too high. They need to either let players fully-customize every stat on every item at the recalibration station or increase the drop rate on top-tier items so it doesn't feel like it could take a week of playing to get one item upgrade.
This was a total quality control issue. How the frak can you put out such a HUGE patch without indepth testing?
Like other games, it has huge potential but is being run by a group of developers who seem to do everything ass-backward.
However, they should also take a good long look at their own internal processes. How did they miss that exploit ?