Real in-game screenshots?

Franciscourant · May 2016

I'm wondering if some of the screenshots published on the website are real in-game environments.

Examples:

Image: http://chroniclesofelyria.com/Media/SkullCave.jpg

It seems to me that the area around the entrance may have been edited. (another user mentioned it earlier on MMORPG.com)

Do we have a confirmation that this image shows a real game environment? Maybe there is a second screenshot of the interior of the cave or a short in-game footage?

Another one here that I have some doubts about being a "screenshot" of real in-game environment:

Image: http://chroniclesofelyria.com/Media/AkashicRecordsInGame.jpg

Do any other images showing the installations and the character, or a short footage published that could confirm that this zone already exists in the game?

The following image is also in the "screenshots" section, which means I assume that the contract negotiation system should already be implemented in the game. Is it confirmed that this system is already functional? Or is it just a superimposed UI on a blurred image?

Image: https://web.archive.org/web/20160331150356im_/http://chroniclesofelyria.com/Media/contract_negotiation.jpg

edit: corrections and images added

MikePaladin · May 2016

Image: https://chroniclesofelyria.com/Media/SoulChamber.jpg

Idk hard to tell but there are a few videos ....like this
also they already have ageing system who knows.......if they didn't have raw working systems I would doubt that they could finish until dec 2017 .
But >>>IF<<<< they have already these systems working but need founding for more programmers to implement them look like a reasonable date .
ALL I can say is maybe ))

Franciscourant · May 2016

I have no doubt that this room is real, I haven't included it in the OP. =P

MikePaladin · May 2016

Well about those 2 posted by you I am skeptical too

ArChWind · May 2016

Download the image and look at properties if its a screen shot the origin is blank

Franciscourant · May 2016

If they show some additional screenshots of those environments and the presumably functional systems, I guess I'd be a bit more confident about what has been developed so far and what's left to do. And about the honesty of the team. I don't know those people, they're from the internet =P so it's hard to judge sometimes.

Franciscourant · May 2016

ArChWind said:

Download the image and look at properties if its a screen shot the origin is blank

I'll leave it to the experts in image authentication. What I see on this image appears to me like an alteration, however it could be caused by other things probably.

MikePaladin · May 2016

ArChWind said:

Download the image and look at properties if its a screen shot the origin is blank

In program name of the screen details is said paint.net 4.0.9 but there is a video of that screen so it can't be a concept art maybe because they edited and added Chronicle of Elyria Mark in corner
while
Skull cave doesn't have a program name

This is what you've meant ?

Franciscourant said:

If they show some additional screenshots of those environments and the presumably functional systems, I guess I'd be a bit more confident about what has been developed so far and what's left to do. And about the honesty of the team. I don't know those people, they're from the internet =P so it's hard to judge sometimes.

Agree but this for some reason didn't stop hordes to buy Star Citizen Art Concepts ships xD

Franciscourant · May 2016

Franciscourant said:

If they show some additional screenshots of those environments and the presumably functional systems, I guess I'd be a bit more confident about what has been developed so far and what's left to do. And about the honesty of the team. I don't know those people, they're from the internet =P so it's hard to judge sometimes.

Agree but this for some reason didn't stop hordes to buy Star Citizen Art Concepts ships xD

If I'm correct Cloud Imperium has shown tons of in-game footage before and during their Kickstarter in 2012. I think they had already a very elaborated demo at that time.

Deffcon_1 · May 2016

The shot of the desert skull cave was in game, but had some after editing because they didnt have the art assets in the game engine yet. The shot of the Akashic Records with the guy walking is concept art, its in the wrong location on the site. The negotiation screen is an in game screen shot. Its not clear if its actually functional or if they only have the UI implemented.

Franciscourant · May 2016

Deffcon_1 said:

The shot of the desert skull cave was in game, but had some after editing because they didnt have the art assets in the game engine yet. The shot of the Akashic Records with the guy walking is concept art, its in the wrong location on the site. The negotiation screen is an in game screen shot. Its not clear if its actually functional or if they only have the UI implemented.

Can you point out where it's been explained that the Skull Cave image was altered? It doesn't seem to be written on the page where the screenshots are presented.

The Akashic Records image in is the screenshots section since at least 6 months. https://web.archive.org/web/20150923154052/http://chroniclesofelyria.com/media

Before that, many of the "screenshots" were presented as "concept | images". https://web.archive.org/web/20150909002855/http://chroniclesofelyria.com/media

I wonder why they would implement the UI before implementing the whole system. Maybe to give the impression that the game is further along than it is in reality.

When I watch the screenshot section, I think (well not in the case of CoE, but generally): "All those things must really be in the game since it's called screenshots." That's what the screenshot section is for. When I figure out that all those images aren't showing real in-game stuff, I feel like it's misleading.

So if what you say is confirmed by Soulbound Studios, it would mean that a large number of images that were introduced as real screenshots coming from the game, unaltered, are in fact edited images of not necessarily real locations nor functioning systems.

Deffcon_1 · May 2016

Not at all. The desert image was altered, this was said by the developers in IRC. The Akashic Records image is just in the wrong spot. As I said with the negotiations image, its entirely possible that the system is fully implemented. The vast majority of the images that are on the screenshots page are from the in game engine taken from their in house test server.

Franciscourant · May 2016

Deffcon_1 said:

Not at all. The desert image was altered, this was said by the developers in IRC. The Akashic Records image is just in the wrong spot. As I said with the negotiations image, its entirely possible that the system is fully implemented. The vast majority of the images that are on the screenshots page are from the in game engine taken from their in house test server.

I think it shouldn't just be the vast majority, it should be all the images published in the screenshots section that are real in-game screenshots.

The rest:
- Skull: supposedly altered, possibly added the whole cave and entrance
- Akashic library: presumably not in-game, concept art
- Character creation
- Bag looting
- Contract negotiation
- Trade agreement
- "Select your family"
- "Select your soul"

How do we know which ones are edited images with superimposed UI, and which ones represent functional systems in the game?

I consider that putting an image of a UI on top of a blurred screenshot doesn't make it an in-game screenshot showing a system.

edit messed up the quote

Deffcon_1 · May 2016

I think they just need to move the couple of concept pictures out of the screenshot section and into the concept section. That would fix the confusion entirely. So the Akashic Record image, the cave one, and the one from the forest should be moved. All the rest are from the in game engine.

Franciscourant · May 2016

Deffcon_1 said:

I think they just need to move the couple of concept pictures out of the screenshot section and into the concept section. That would fix the confusion entirely. So the Akashic Record image, the cave one, and the one from the forest should be moved. All the rest are from the in game engine.

Back in September 2015, they moved those images from the "concept" section to "screenshots", and left them there for +6 months.

The issue doesn't seem to spring solely from confusion.

ArChWind · May 2016

MikePaladin said:

ArChWind said:

Download the image and look at properties if its a screen shot the origin is blank

In program name of the screen details is said paint.net 4.0.9 but there is a video of that screen so it can't be a concept art maybe because they edited and added Chronicle of Elyria Mark in corner
while
Skull cave doesn't have a program name

This is what you've meant ?

Franciscourant said:

If they show some additional screenshots of those environments and the presumably functional systems, I guess I'd be a bit more confident about what has been developed so far and what's left to do. And about the honesty of the team. I don't know those people, they're from the internet =P so it's hard to judge sometimes.

Agree but this for some reason didn't stop hordes to buy Star Citizen Art Concepts ships xD

ALL the images on the screenshot page originated from paint net.

MikePaladin · May 2016

ArChWind said:

MikePaladin said:

ArChWind said:

Download the image and look at properties if its a screen shot the origin is blank

In program name of the screen details is said paint.net 4.0.9 but there is a video of that screen so it can't be a concept art maybe because they edited and added Chronicle of Elyria Mark in corner
while
Skull cave doesn't have a program name

This is what you've meant ?

Franciscourant said:

If they show some additional screenshots of those environments and the presumably functional systems, I guess I'd be a bit more confident about what has been developed so far and what's left to do. And about the honesty of the team. I don't know those people, they're from the internet =P so it's hard to judge sometimes.

Agree but this for some reason didn't stop hordes to buy Star Citizen Art Concepts ships xD

ALL the images on the screenshot page originated from paint net.

Of Course because they Added Chronicle of Elyria in Corner )))) Apparently Screen shots don't apply their Mark instantly ^^lol

DixonHill · May 2016

I think it is the kickstarter video(?) in which you can can see a dev actually play with the character selection sliders for a brief moment. So some of the systems seem to be atleast somewhat functional. Some might not be.
But i agree. If stuff, like for example the trade negotiations screenshot is not actually been taken from a live game session, it should be marked as "proposed", or "thats how we want it to look in the future."

SlyLoK · May 2016

The skull pic also has wrong shadows. I am skeptical of quite a bit of this game atm.

howstupidisthis · May 2016

If it does come out in 2017, it will be Q4 at earliest

Slapshot1188 · May 2016

Is there an allegation that they photo/paintshopped their supposed screenshots?

If that is actually able to be proven that should be the subject of a "Non-Sponsored" Article on here...

GrumpyHobbit · May 2016

This early in the games development is this really that important?

I mean, concept art or in game image we are still a couple of years away so it is not really an important question to ask till a lot longer down the development process.

Vucar · May 2016

Slapshot1188 said:

Is there an allegation that they photo/paintshopped their supposed screenshots?

If that is actually able to be proven that should be the subject of a "Non-Sponsored" Article on here...

People need to be very careful making allegations like that unless they're a lawyer or well-informed on the law...

Franciscourant · May 2016

DixonHill said:

I think it is the kickstarter video(?) in which you can can see a dev actually play with the character selection sliders for a brief moment. So some of the systems seem to be atleast somewhat functional. Some might not be.
But i agree. If stuff, like for example the trade negotiations screenshot is not actually been taken from a live game session, it should be marked as "proposed", or "thats how we want it to look in the future."

I checked the Kickstarter video again and it doesn't seem to me like the sliders are correlated to the height of the character presented in the video.

[from 8:04 on Kickstarter video]

The height of the character apparently changes before the slider is moved, and then the slider is slightly moved to the right, which should make the character higher, but instead it gets smaller:

(slider not moved yet)

(height slider pushed slightly to the right, character is smaller)

(slider pushed to the right, apparently similar height than image #1)

Maygus · May 2016

I imagine the sliders are not centered and tied properly to the adjustments. I've played games where I click a slider and it actually grows slightly when I've not even moved the slider.

aka: bugs.

Look: http://www.gamesas.com/character-creation-weight-slider-not-working-t325753.html Someone with skyrim on a console had slider bugs. You might have just found a bug in the sliders!

Slapshot1188 · May 2016

Interesting!!!

Too bad no journalist would pick up on it.

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