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Hazzikostas Talks World Quests, Tuning the Leveling Experience & More

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129

imageHazzikostas Talks World Quests, Tuning the Leveling Experience & More

Ion Hazzikostas took part in a World of Warcraft Legion Developer Update with Jesse Cox to talk about some of the things coming in the expansion but, prior to talking about that, Hazzikostas revealed that alpha is ending over the next 24 hours and that there will be a full server wipe, a huge new wave of beta invites will be sent out and that beta will officially start on Thursday at 2 pm Pacific / 5 pm Eastern barring any strange build issues prior to that time.

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  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,012
    They still don't get pristine servers will not work. It will not bring vets back because just a server with slower leveling and dungeons you still group up the mobs and AOEing them down is not what people want. They want to walk into a Dungeon and have to figure out with their group how to do CCs and different pulls. They dont want to out gear the dungeons by 500 levels and smash face it in weekly. Also they want old talent trees back and not what is a piece of crap today, I was also a person who didnt have a cookie cutter build and did just fine.
  • onelesslightonelesslight Member UncommonPosts: 163
    And here I want a Tauren Rogue so bad... :'(
  • PsyqotiqPsyqotiq Member UncommonPosts: 18
    Okay, Tauren rogues don't make sense. But please, let me play a Troll paladin. :D
  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 927

    danwest58 said:

    They still don't get pristine servers will not work. It will not bring vets back because just a server with slower leveling and dungeons you still group up the mobs and AOEing them down is not what people want. They want to walk into a Dungeon and have to figure out with their group how to do CCs and different pulls. They dont want to out gear the dungeons by 500 levels and smash face it in weekly. Also they want old talent trees back and not what is a piece of crap today, I was also a person who didnt have a cookie cutter build and did just fine.



    Yeah for some reason it seems that Blizzard are misunderstading the whole point of vanilla servers... It's not about the slow leveling, but basically everything else. Be it talents, dungeons, raids, professions, items... everything back then was completely different from now and that's what people want. Not just slow leveling. Truth be told I don't mind leveling being sped up a bit, but everything else has to be as it was. That's the point.
  • toolaktoolak Member UncommonPosts: 154
    The problem is all the old talent that made the original coding is gone. You cannot convince me that blizzard would turn down all the money that a vanilla server or 2 would bring in if they could make it happen. Why else are they inviting the guys from the private servers to talks.
  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Having played vanilla just recently, you can't really compare to the current game. Same world and stuff, but the play style, focus, etc couldn't be more different. Clearly Blizzard doesn't get it, they still talk about it being nostalgia.
  • simsalabim77simsalabim77 Member RarePosts: 1,607
    danwest58 said:
    They still don't get pristine servers will not work. It will not bring vets back because just a server with slower leveling and dungeons you still group up the mobs and AOEing them down is not what people want. They want to walk into a Dungeon and have to figure out with their group how to do CCs and different pulls. They dont want to out gear the dungeons by 500 levels and smash face it in weekly. Also they want old talent trees back and not what is a piece of crap today, I was also a person who didnt have a cookie cutter build and did just fine.

    WoW was at it's most popular in WoTLK when 5 mans were all AOE fests and you could finish heroic UK in less than 10 minutes. I don't think having "hard" 5 mans is going to bring back Vanilla players who quit. Cata had hard heroics when they were done at appropriate gear levels. 5 mans now have way more challenging mechanics than anything in Vanilla. Legion is adding infinitely scaling 5 mans that will be hard. Requiring slow pulls and CC'ing trash doesn't suddenly make the game more fun or better. 
  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    edited May 2016
    danwest58 said:
    They still don't get pristine servers will not work. It will not bring vets back because just a server with slower leveling and dungeons you still group up the mobs and AOEing them down is not what people want. They want to walk into a Dungeon and have to figure out with their group how to do CCs and different pulls. They dont want to out gear the dungeons by 500 levels and smash face it in weekly. Also they want old talent trees back and not what is a piece of crap today, I was also a person who didnt have a cookie cutter build and did just fine.
    You obviously missed his earlier statement where he said that the live team has literally nothing to do with the entire decision about classic versions of WoW. They are only concerned with the live game as it is today which was the point of the interview in the first place.

    Let's not turn every discussion of WoW as it is on live servers into another discussion of vanilla servers. Please stick to the topic at hand and the article as presented. Once Blizzard meets with the admins of the now-closed private realm, there will be plenty of time to reopen the discussion. In the meantime, there are a ton of other threads to post in.

    Thanks.


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  • pantaropantaro Member RarePosts: 515
    edited May 2016
    SBFord said:
    danwest58 said:
    They still don't get pristine servers will not work. It will not bring vets back because just a server with slower leveling and dungeons you still group up the mobs and AOEing them down is not what people want. They want to walk into a Dungeon and have to figure out with their group how to do CCs and different pulls. They dont want to out gear the dungeons by 500 levels and smash face it in weekly. Also they want old talent trees back and not what is a piece of crap today, I was also a person who didnt have a cookie cutter build and did just fine.
    You obviously missed his earlier statement, apparently, where he said that the live team has literally nothing to do with the entire decision about classic versions of WoW. They are only concerned with the live game as it is today which was the point of the interview in the first place.

    Let's not turn every discussion of WoW as it is on live servers into another discussion of vanilla servers. Please stick to the topic at hand and the article as presented. Once Blizzard meets with the admins of the now-closed private realm, there will be plenty of time to reopen the discussion. In the meantime, there are a ton of other threads to post in.

    Thanks.


    agreed i thought bringing up vanilla servers during this livestream was out of place and a total waste of a question. just really not the time,place or even the right person to be asking if you want a REAL answer.
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    At this point no matter what Blizzard do some people will keep talking about "vanilla wow was so much better" and etc etc. Hell even if Blizzard just go ahead and make the WoW a very group based, social driven, hardcore mechanics and extreme class customization based; in simple words : a very proper mmorpg, some people will still bitch and moan about not getting vanilla server. So i think what Blizzard is doing now, they should just keep doing that and not give a shit about what some people say about them or their games.

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  • ArskaaaArskaaa Member RarePosts: 1,265


    And here I want a Tauren Rogue so bad... :'(



    if tauren rogue dont make sense, then why there is tauren monk? :D
  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,779


    At this point no matter what Blizzard do some people will keep talking about "vanilla wow was so much better" and etc etc. Hell even if Blizzard just go ahead and make the WoW a very group based, social driven, hardcore mechanics and extreme class customization based; in simple words : a very proper mmorpg, some people will still bitch and moan about not getting vanilla server. So i think what Blizzard is doing now, they should just keep doing that and not give a shit about what some people say about them or their games.



    It's just the people on the forums complaining about vanilla servers. I want one, so do 100k or however many people signed that petition. But a majority of my friends who have played since vanilla who have quit or still play want WOTLK servers the most. That was when the game had the most subs, and the most people actually enjoying the content. I know that was my favorite expansion by far. I do like the game in it's current state though, and I hope blizzard realizes they do have some fans that still enjoy the game. I liked their post about not being able to cater to every single crowd, and how it's split up, it let me see the situation a bit better.
  • Chris_RChris_R Member CommonPosts: 5
    One of the issues is low population servers, there are tons of low population realms on the EU side. There are only 4 High populations with 8 or so medium. They should consider closing some servers down, increase the cap on the remaining to make raiding, social and leveling experience better. Faction balance needs to be addressed, too many alliance on one realm and horde on another.
  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Chris_R said:
    One of the issues is low population servers, there are tons of low population realms on the EU side. There are only 4 High populations with 8 or so medium. They should consider closing some servers down, increase the cap on the remaining to make raiding, social and leveling experience better. Faction balance needs to be addressed, too many alliance on one realm and horde on another.
    Yeah I noticed that earlier when I was looking at populations. All of the popular servers are completely unbalanced between factions except for the RP server. And then there are tons of servers with nobody on.
  • FelixMajorFelixMajor Member RarePosts: 865
    This is just one giant "Meh" to me. Yet for some reason I still like to keep my knowledge up to date on this game.

    Originally posted by Arskaaa
    "when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".

  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    I'm not sure why he didn't end all his answers with "This will be worth the content drought"
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    edited May 2016
    Athisar said:
    Chris_R said:
    One of the issues is low population servers, there are tons of low population realms on the EU side. There are only 4 High populations with 8 or so medium. They should consider closing some servers down, increase the cap on the remaining to make raiding, social and leveling experience better. Faction balance needs to be addressed, too many alliance on one realm and horde on another.
    Yeah I noticed that earlier when I was looking at populations. All of the popular servers are completely unbalanced between factions except for the RP server. And then there are tons of servers with nobody on.
    This should clue you in as to why so many show as low population.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742816197

    If its truth through, would mean that Blizzard learned there lesson from the WoD release....god that was brutal, but they did give away about 2 weeks worth of playtime.

  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Member UncommonPosts: 3,713
    I find it ironic that people are either complaining Blizzard doesn't release content fast enough. Or that they won't get rid of most content they did release and go back to the stuff everyone already did.

    What happens after a year when everyone is decked out and have nothing left to do on a vanilla server? It's not a sandbox...

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  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,439
    Dreamo84 said:
    I find it ironic that people are either complaining Blizzard doesn't release content fast enough. Or that they won't get rid of most content they did release and go back to the stuff everyone already did.

    What happens after a year when everyone is decked out and have nothing left to do on a vanilla server? It's not a sandbox...
    They'll do exactly the same than on WoD server - roll an alt. In this case, however, it takes another year (if you're a real hardcore) until you hit the end of a content, not a few months or weeks like in WoD.

    Blizzard releasing content too slowly is not the problem. Content consumed too soon is. Give me the modern WoW with classic WoW pacing and i'll stop crying for legacy server.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Cox: Legacy servers are a big thing. What about them.
    IH: That’s been a passionate....................level up in a few days and then am left in my garrison.

    Surely IH means ....... Order Halls? Those absolutely, not at all, despite what they appear to be, and did I tell you that our metrics indicated that lots and lots of people used their garrisons .....
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited May 2016
    IH: "We need to improve our classic zones. They’re broken and not well-tuned. It’s way too easy. It’s a problem with WoW. We’ve neglected it over the years with trickle down effects from other changes, talents that became passives, moved things around, etc. The pacing of the game isn’t what it should be. We’re going to address that over time."

    The unsaid bit:

    ...... but I don't expect us to ever be given the go-ahead to spend the money since this type of revamp simply doesn't bring people back and consequently our devs will always be directed to work on the next expansion.

  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited May 2016
    "world quest system that is much more randomized that is a fixed state for everyone in a specific region. It’s like garrison missions for players, not followers. You choose the ones you want to follow and complete"

    Arghh! I used that garrison word again. I didn't say the quests were random though. Well I suppose I did but at least I said people would have a choice of which random quests to do. At least I didn't say that going out into the world to collect order resources would be like apexis crystal farming. Phew.
  • Psym0nPsym0n Member UncommonPosts: 283
    So many negative posts about WoW. This is the only game forum I love, and I've been loving it since 2004. But man, everyone here deeply hates WoW.

    I on the other hand love WoW. All my friends love WoW, and yes we all know they fucked it up. But the first 3 months of WOD I had massive fun. And this interview seems to cater to the people who already had fun. To me it seems that they are finally listening to all the negative feedback and decreasing the game pace. I remember running Blood Furnace with 5 friends on HC, that was a nightmare because we all had full greens. That's the dungeon running I love. CC, hard bosses, actually having to communicate to progress. It seems they will bring this back with the scaling dungeons.

    In before everyone flames me. I find this interview to be one the most constructive and "admitting they were wrong" ones out there. Normally Blizzard answers with: We know how you feel, but we think you should feel like "insert random gamechanger"
  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,813
    The only problem WoW has is that the current Blizzard is behind its development.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919

    Psym0n said:

    So many negative posts about WoW. This is the only game forum I love, and I've been loving it since 2004. But man, everyone here deeply hates WoW.



    I find this interview to be one the most constructive and "admitting they were wrong" ones out there. Normally Blizzard answers with: We know how you feel, but we think you should feel like "insert random gamechanger"



    The problems I have with this though are two-fold:

    First putting it through a corporate filter. As others have said this is not Blizzard of old. This is big corporate AB focused on the bottomline - and there is nothing wrong with being focused on profit but there is short term and long term; the latter can give you greater profit over time especially at the start of a products life but short term shows up quicker. And any "in the future / over time changes" are long term.

    Second we have indeed had other replies, as recently as last week, which do indeed say "we know best", "we have the metrics to prove it" etc. so ... who were those lies? I don't think so. I see both as being "true" but one is telling it as it is and IH is telling it how it might be, one day, in the future, just stick with us and who knows.
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