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A World Of Improvements

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129

imageA World Of Improvements

The scoring system in World vs. World has always seemed imperfect to me. It was a worthwhile first attempt, but after three years it's well past due for a change. It may have taken a poll to get ArenaNet to finally take steps to address it, but at least something's being done, and I think the upcoming changes will do a lot to make WvW more enjoyable.

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  • ShrikeArghastShrikeArghast Member UncommonPosts: 124
    I just find this game incredibly boring. It's polished as hell, don't get me wrong... but the world is a claustrophobic mess, and the community totally absent. The problem with GW2 isn't so much that there is a lack of stuff to do, but rather that the activities provided by ArenaNet are so unappealing that I log out almost instantaneously the moment I log in.
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    GW1 had more direction and clearing identity of what it wanted to be. GW2 has lacked both since the start....although the expansion seems to be gain a little bit of both but GW1 is still superior overall imo.
  • FelixMajorFelixMajor Member RarePosts: 865
    edited May 2016
    GW2 has tried to cater to too many game play types and player types. They have spread the game too thin over the years and has only become more shallow than its released state.

    I have put a lot of time, nearing 1000 hours of game play into it. It's been enjoyable. It only now just feels like a bunch of lobby maps with mini games spread through out. I was never into the WvW so this news doesn't affect me in either way. I am glad it brings enjoyment to people still playing though.

    Originally posted by Arskaaa
    "when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".

  • mmorobommorobo Member UncommonPosts: 126
    Any comments on the WvW changes or just GW2 bashing?
  • MegilindirMegilindir Member UncommonPosts: 223
    Multi reply to all posts above:
    Being a jack of all games and having a maxed or two toons with sufficient economy just to test the playstyles, contents and updates in those games, i everytime return to GW2 for a fresh air and a mellow timekill.
    I think GW2 contentwise, polishwise, gameplaywise suprasses all triple A mmos out there right now ( Not including Black Desert )

    I feel like logging out when i enter almost any game out there be it my 480 champ point- templar&thieves guild hype nightblade, be it my Draenei Shaman which has been around for nearly 10 years in WoW, be it my Minstrel in LoTRO even my Pistol-Elemental DPS in The Secret World. not counting many more toons in many more games out there.

    My point is good job for Anet. Wish they preserved the beautiful Desert map and took action once it was proper to, back in the day. They are always a bit late at what they do, can give you that at least.

    beLIEve

  • AvanahAvanah Member RarePosts: 1,627
    Title misleading. Should read "PvP improvements" which is irrelevant to me. 

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    One Cooking and One Cleaning!"

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    strong and able to take on the whole world...

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  • ShrikeArghastShrikeArghast Member UncommonPosts: 124


    Multi reply to all posts above:

    Being a jack of all games and having a maxed or two toons with sufficient economy just to test the playstyles, contents and updates in those games, i everytime return to GW2 for a fresh air and a mellow timekill.

    I think GW2 contentwise, polishwise, gameplaywise suprasses all triple A mmos out there right now ( Not including Black Desert )



    I feel like logging out when i enter almost any game out there be it my 480 champ point- templar&thieves guild hype nightblade, be it my Draenei Shaman which has been around for nearly 10 years in WoW, be it my Minstrel in LoTRO even my Pistol-Elemental DPS in The Secret World. not counting many more toons in many more games out there.



    My point is good job for Anet. Wish they preserved the beautiful Desert map and took action once it was proper to, back in the day. They are always a bit late at what they do, can give you that at least.






    Black Desert is a triple A MMO?

    Guffaw.
  • KatillaKatilla Member UncommonPosts: 829
    Multi reply to all posts above:
    Being a jack of all games and having a maxed or two toons with sufficient economy just to test the playstyles, contents and updates in those games, i everytime return to GW2 for a fresh air and a mellow timekill.
    I think GW2 contentwise, polishwise, gameplaywise suprasses all triple A mmos out there right now ( Not including Black Desert )

    I feel like logging out when i enter almost any game out there be it my 480 champ point- templar&thieves guild hype nightblade, be it my Draenei Shaman which has been around for nearly 10 years in WoW, be it my Minstrel in LoTRO even my Pistol-Elemental DPS in The Secret World. not counting many more toons in many more games out there.

    My point is good job for Anet. Wish they preserved the beautiful Desert map and took action once it was proper to, back in the day. They are always a bit late at what they do, can give you that at least.

    Usually when people start bragging about their characters in other games, it makes me just keep scrolling.  GW2 is boring now, as well as fisherman online, i mean black desert. 
  • JakobmillerJakobmiller Member RarePosts: 694
    GW2 makes me mad. I loved GW1 so much. Tried GW2 at launch and quit after I crashed a couple of hours into the game.. Nothing like I expected. I wanted a polished GW1.

    Tried GW2 again a year ago.. Tried my best to keep playing. Got to like level 35 and quit again.. It's such a beautiful game in every way. I am in love with the art style, the lore and races... But god damn, the game is so boring. Where is the depth GW1 had? Where is the Farmability GW1 had? I loved running the same zones over and over. Random boxes here and there. I loved it.
  • Dr_BinksDr_Binks Member UncommonPosts: 271
    I think Anet needs to just release GW1 with up to date graphics and call it a day...... Oh wait no dont do that.... they may mess that may mess that up too!
  • ballisticknife0ballisticknife0 Member UncommonPosts: 46
    GW2 bashing continues, still love the game.
  • APThugAPThug Member RarePosts: 543
    I love how most of the comments have nothing to do with the article. You got 3 different types of people here:

    The pvers who bash on everything pvp even though the games pvp is just as important if not more important to the people who play that content.

    The bashers who think gw2 is boring, and yet the game they're probably playing is just as boring.

    And the nostalgia trippers who think gw1 is better then gw2. I played gw1 for 3 years. Its a niche game If I had ever saw one. Theres a reason why it never blew up when it was out. And if you really played gw1, truelly played it, then you would know why It never blew up. I love gw1, I thought it was great. But those days are long gone.

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  • VielthicVielthic Member UncommonPosts: 6
    IMO, GW2 is the best game on the market. The combat is Superior too anything bar none. The balance is good and it is skill based not gear based. PvP is fun and WvW is the closest any game has come to open world PvP even though technically it is still instanced due to engine challenges. The PvE is fun, via personal story, living world or just exploring zones. The game does truly try too stick to its "Just Play" mentality. And it really is all about you "The Player" going out onto their world and doing things. For me it is the next step in line from DAoC to WarHammer to GW2 to Camelot Unchained. All the people that says the game is boring really has not played everything GW2 has to offer.
  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    Vielthic said:
    IMO, GW2 is the best game on the market. The combat is Superior too anything bar none. The balance is good and it is skill based not gear based. PvP is fun and WvW is the closest any game has come to open world PvP even though technically it is still instanced due to engine challenges. The PvE is fun, via personal story, living world or just exploring zones. The game does truly try too stick to its "Just Play" mentality. And it really is all about you "The Player" going out onto their world and doing things. For me it is the next step in line from DAoC to WarHammer to GW2 to Camelot Unchained. All the people that says the game is boring really has not played everything GW2 has to offer.
    GW2 is a decent game I agree.The combat is good but to say it's superior bar none is not true. I would take Tera's system any day over GW2. Pvp is very fun and Pve isn't bad I also agree. Where I think the game really lacks is its stale crafting system that I personally find kinda boring. The new scoring system is an improvement and a step in the right direction.
     
  • ChaserzChaserz Member RarePosts: 336
    I get the pun. But a "world" of improvements implies a myriad of changes to me.
  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825
    There were a lot of elements that made me stop playing Guild Wars 2. Here is the list

    ~Nerfing/Destruction of Classes and Builds

    GW2 is a game where if a player posts any build that seems overpowered, Anet will nerf it fast for some classes, but retain for others. Anyone in that game knew the bias that Anet had towards overpowering Guardians and Mesmers. I have 12 sets of armor stored in my storage on Elementalist alone caused from everything they did to go from making them powerful to completely destroying them to 1 - 2 decent builds. Sorry, but I don't want to have to always run a Fresh Air Build or a HealBot Elly. I thought Elementalist would have the power and scope as in the original game, but it started with high power and it was nerfed to the ground. Now many pick Elementalist learning about how its about the accumulation of power.. just to be thrown into a healbot role....


    ~The Asian Problem in World vs World.

    I loved playing World vs World, and one of the interesting things is that if I want to play an Asian Game, their games are Region Blocked, so I have to Proxy Myself into their games to be able to play. Under Chinese, Korean, and Japanese law, their populations are not allowed to leave the Asia-Sphere of the Internet..with China being worse and exercising their Law to never leave the Chinese Sphere of the Internet.

    However, I played WvW with a lot of Asian players and what bothered me about them was that the Winner of the WvW match in the top North American Servers were the Servers that had an Asian Population enough to be able to Night-Cap a map to Submission. Sorry, but I was in four servers where once the Asian Population left, they dropped a tier.

    "He who has Asians, Wins in WvW" was a very popular slogan for what WvW was. I hated that if I played in Primetime....playing with my own people didn't count compared to capping the night. There were also all the Anti-American complaints that hit forumboards at a certain point. We don't region block them, but they region block us all the time! We are more than fair to give them rights in our games and treat them as people, while if we played in one of their games we virtually have almost no rights at all when it comes to customer support...and the anti-foreigner hatred in nations like Japan are extreme to the point even women vocalize their hatred for foreigners in their games....

    ~The Stale Content

    The excuse of the Community when it came to actually dealing with Boredom was "Try a new character class" Which is the same excuse that occurs when FF XIV gets boring. Point is that I like to specialize in one class... Elementalist under different builds though I have the classes at Level 80. I shouldn't ever be told that if there is lack of content, that I should start all over under a new class and go through everything again. Not Cool..... Even more is the fact that one had to deal with Gated Content as well as the Ascended Grind to those who are crafters.....

    ~The World vs World Ranks System

    I absolutely hated this because of the fact that it would unbalance the game severely. Siege is a large part of WvW as well as carrying Supply across the map. What would happen if one met a WvW Server where everyone has 400 - 1000 WvW Ranks and the non-WvW server has an average of Rank 50 - 100? The answer is that in the long run the server with 50 - 100 Ranks has absolutely no chance against the higher server...

    In fact they had to test combining servers because of stuff like that...

    ~Exhaustion

    I don't mean the status condition...I mean real exhaustion.
    The game is capable of causing exhaustion in people especially when people are grinding tokens every day and across the dungeons and going after world bosses. A lot of the content is spammed over and over again to the point I can safely say that out of the entire game world, that maybe around 2 - 5% of the world is actually any important to most players...

    ~Lack of Endgame

    Guild Wars 2 had no real Endgame. Some called WvW the endgame. It had almost none and i didn't like what the expansion tried to do either. It didn't have to take YEARS for MMORPG Gamers to actually have an access to an Endgame. I know that Anet was trying with a new expansion, but releasing an MMORPG without endgame was a Big Time No No...

    ~The Guild Wars 2 Manifesto...

    The game sold under the advertisement "This is YOUR story...." and yeah it is!!! for the whole first chapter and as you go through the major story it becomes less about you, and more about every other character and by the end of the story I felt like a secondary or tertiary character in the story. The game even sold with the "Play the way YOU want to play" which was followed by Arenanet through "balance changes" forcing almost every damned player character to play the same. As soon as a player draws a weapon, I tend to know what they are going to do with it because that is how predictable Guild Wars 2 actually is.

    I had thousands upon thousands of hours in that game....I liked the guild I raised and the major reason I left the game was due to death in the family. I left gaming for two years and by the end of that period, nearly half my family died.

    There was a lot I loved about Guild Wars, but with all the False Hope that floated around; I wanted at least to be able to play under my favorite class without having to have that taken away from me. I felt that Anet gave me everything I wanted in Guild Wars 2 as a Elementalist when it started, and then....took everything away that I loved from the game and class I liked to play as the game aged. :(

  • nennafirnennafir Member UncommonPosts: 313

    And the nostalgia trippers who think gw1 is better then gw2. I played gw1 for 3 years. Its a niche game If I had ever saw one. Theres a reason why it never blew up when it was out. And if you really played gw1, truelly played it, then you would know why It never blew up. I love gw1, I thought it was great. But those days are long gone.


    ???

    I think you never really played (or at least, understood) GW1.

    The beauty of GW1 was that: (i) Everything was fair, with minimal grinding; (ii) There were lots of different builds that were REALLY REALLY different.

    GW2 fails on both counts. All of the legendary stuff adds to grinding. I bought heart of thorns and then haven't really played the game since it launched because of all of the new grinding. And (even with HoT--which did add to the diversity)--GW2 just doesn't have anywhere near the build diversity of GW1. GW1 was awesome because of all of the niche and original builds you could come up with.

    With GW2, it is like the designers: (1) Wanted to be like every other WoW clone out there with grinding to the next power level (although, yes, not as bad as WoW); and (2) Were like, shit, GW1 was so hard to balance. Screw that. Let's just get a really homogenized system without significant choice that is easy to balance. FAIL FAIL FAIL
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