I love the game but Im not trying to be a high end pvper. They have some legit complaints. OP all of your issues can be explained away...do better. The no excuse part comes from the client side hacking. They really dropped the ball there.
The game has some remarkable life systems future games should take note of. I also really enjoy the freedom, mouselook combat (free aim would be better) world design and the many non combat ways to build your character. Ive never played an mmo where I didnt touch combat for a full week as Ive done with this.
The game has issues. But damn, it at least attempts to give an option that isnt dumbass linear quest hub all combat trash we have been beat over the head with for 10 years.
After everything I've heard since I decided not to play, I'm sure I made the right decision.
As much as I liked the game in beta, I'm glad I decided to wait for the dust to settle before jumping in. At this point I'd probably buy the game given a good sale (20 bucks or so), just to play it a bit more, as I did enjoy the game itself. Yet for full price at this point, nah, too many other things to buy for cheaper.
You do know that there's a 30 dollar version of the game, right? That's what I got, the 30 version and a pet. Probably going to pick up 2 more pets now that I'm 50 and could use the extra looting.
Anything less than 30 would be insane for them to sell the game. They've even cut off potential profits by nerfing the main p2w item in the game- the gillie suit, come tomorrow.
As for the OP, that's a lot of opinions, man. I think no fast travel is great- very immersive, it makes mounts meaningful. No trade is great, too. No goldsellers and I can't imagine how bad off the game's economy would be with the recent hacking problem if people could trade ill-gotten gains. Makretplace is a silver sink- again, not a bad thing. It stops rampant inflation.
Not sure what you think they were trying to conceal, but I for one don't feel at all tricked and after a bout a month have certainly gotten my money's worth on the game, and see myself playing it for at least many months in the future.
Now, BnS, that's another story. I did feel pretty tricked in that game when they introduced monsterous rng boxes a few months after the game came out, dramatically shifting the game to p2w. Couple that with devs that had almost zero response to ramapant hacking and botting and it struck me as a pure cash grab.
Daum by contrast seems like the best Dev ever. They're addressing several long-time complaints with the patch tomorrow, including nerfing a 30 item from their shop.
You don't know what you're talking about. I had to block 383 posters in chat selling gold and leveling services because the span was so bad you couldn't even have a conversation. I'm willing to bet your are one of the entrenched beta testers. As for Daum there are serious issues with using combos in PVP that they have yet to even acknowledge exists. They refuse to even discuss it. Yet the forums are full of reports that combos can't be used in combat.
I haven't once seen a goldseller. I've only been playing for a month or so, so maybe it was bad at launch? But you can bet your ass it would've been 100x worse if they allowed trading.
As for combos in PVP, that's the first I've heard of that issue.
For example, Trion. Compared to Trion, Daum is the best publisher ever.
Opinions vary.
Daum Korea is good.
Daum EU is terrible, far worse than any western publisher IMO
Well, imo Daum is certainly better than Trion or NcWest. By a huge margin.
Only publisher of an Eastern game I can think of that comes off as better is EnMasse for TERA. But TERA never had the problems that Archeage, BDO or BnS had, so they were never really put to the test.
Daum has botched some things and they need to improve on things. But at least they aren't blatant cash-grabbers.
Both Trion and NcWest botched at least as many things as Daum, and grabbed cash at every possible opportunity at the cost of the quality of the game.
@mentoplus ; Bitter much? The AH takes a 30% cut for selling your items. Name a R/L Investment company or Brokerage that doesn't get a cut....
While I miss being able to trade with individuals or even name my own prices, the current system DOES prevent (as much as possible) random inflation by wealthy individuals.
Design a better working system in the next MMO you publish, then sound off.
simple free trading, 10% cut on ah and a big group of gms that track every single big gold movement in game
worked for wow for almost 10 years i guess it can work on a garbage korean mmorpg with 1/15 of the population
For example, Trion. Compared to Trion, Daum is the best publisher ever.
Opinions vary.
Daum Korea is good.
Daum EU is terrible, far worse than any western publisher IMO
Well, imo Daum is certainly better than Trion or NcWest. By a huge margin.
Only publisher of an Eastern game I can think of that comes off as better is EnMasse for TERA. But TERA never had the problems that Archeage, BDO or BnS had, so they were never really put to the test.
Daum has botched some things and they need to improve on things. But at least they aren't blatant cash-grabbers.
Both Trion and NcWest botched at least as many things as Daum, and grabbed cash at every possible opportunity at the cost of the quality of the game.
But at least they aren't blatant cash-grabbers.
Are you serious? Like really? You can play the game free of the cash shop, I did it, but it is very frustrating experience. Try running with a full group free loot option and no pets out. It's not a great.
Explain why they are releasing the costumes in the cash shop slowly over time. They know players are short on patience and will shell out money for costumes, even if it's one they don't really want, then they will shell out again when the new ones are released after they've had enough time to get tired of the current one. Add to that the costumes are overpriced. Also the tears, coupled with one shot field boss mechanics and you have a steady stream of players dropping cash to avoid exp loss.
For example, Trion. Compared to Trion, Daum is the best publisher ever.
Opinions vary.
Daum Korea is good.
Daum EU is terrible, far worse than any western publisher IMO
Well, imo Daum is certainly better than Trion or NcWest. By a huge margin.
Only publisher of an Eastern game I can think of that comes off as better is EnMasse for TERA. But TERA never had the problems that Archeage, BDO or BnS had, so they were never really put to the test.
Daum has botched some things and they need to improve on things. But at least they aren't blatant cash-grabbers.
Both Trion and NcWest botched at least as many things as Daum, and grabbed cash at every possible opportunity at the cost of the quality of the game.
But at least they aren't blatant cash-grabbers.
Are you serious? Like really? You can play the game free of the cash shop, I did it, but it is very frustrating experience. Try running with a full group free loot option and no pets out. It's not a great.
Explain why they are releasing the costumes in the cash shop slowly over time. They know players are short on patience and will shell out money for costumes, even if it's one they don't really want, then they will shell out again when the new ones are released after they've had enough time to get tired of the current one. Add to that the costumes are overpriced. Also the tears, coupled with one shot field boss mechanics and you have a steady stream of players dropping cash to avoid exp loss.
Yep, like really dude, I'm serious.
If they wanted to grab cash, they'd release the costumes every week. There would be RNG boxes and you'd be able to sell items in the marketplace.
There's no way a company interested in a quick buck would be releasing costumes slowly, just so people get bored of the one they have and buy another. That's not a cash-grabbing scheme, that's a decent marketing scheme.
One thing they certainly would never do is nerf their best-selling quasi-p2w outfit, right before their biggest pvp content drops.
Yeah, it's easier if you run with pets. I'm probably going to buy an additional 2 pets tomorrow as a matter of fact. Thing is, they have to make the items in the shop attractive to get, or nobody would use it.
The prices are high, no doubt, but there's a big difference between high prices and cash-grabbing techniques.
If you want to see cash-grabbing in action, look at Archeage and BnS at the same point in time after their release. You'd see RNG-boxes galore and as much real-life > in-game currency exchange as your bank account can muster.
@mentoplus ; Bitter much? The AH takes a 30% cut for selling your items. Name a R/L Investment company or Brokerage that doesn't get a cut....
While I miss being able to trade with individuals or even name my own prices, the current system DOES prevent (as much as possible) random inflation by wealthy individuals.
Design a better working system in the next MMO you publish, then sound off.
simple free trading, 10% cut on ah and a big group of gms that track every single big gold movement in game
worked for wow for almost 10 years i guess it can work on a garbage korean mmorpg with 1/15 of the population
What's the current going rate for good items in WoW?
After everything I've heard since I decided not to play, I'm sure I made the right decision.
As much as I liked the game in beta, I'm glad I decided to wait for the dust to settle before jumping in. At this point I'd probably buy the game given a good sale (20 bucks or so), just to play it a bit more, as I did enjoy the game itself. Yet for full price at this point, nah, too many other things to buy for cheaper.
You do know that there's a 30 dollar version of the game, right? That's what I got, the 30 version and a pet. Probably going to pick up 2 more pets now that I'm 50 and could use the extra looting.
Anything less than 30 would be insane for them to sell the game. They've even cut off potential profits by nerfing the main p2w item in the game- the gillie suit, come tomorrow.
No I wasn't aware of such a version, that said it's not the money that is of concern, it's the state of the game. I just don't want to spend more than 20 on something if I'm not sure I'd stick around. If things start to seemingly turn around, I wouldn't have a problem with spending even 60. I'm just not into the idea of paying full price for entry when the bigger line is full of people tripping over each other to get the hell away.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Getting a whole lot of laughs in this thread, and a gay buttsex joke, but not many counter-arguments.
No I wasn't aware of such a version, that said it's not the money that is of concern, it's the state of the game. I just don't want to spend more than 20 on something if I'm not sure I'd stick around. If things start to seemingly turn around, I wouldn't have a problem with spending even 60. I'm just not into the idea of paying full price for entry when the bigger line is full of people tripping over each other to get the hell away.
Well, forums are weird. It's hard to tell which way the line is heading. Most of the frequent critics here don't play the game and probably never did.
I can definitely see how you'd get the impression, especially from these forums recently, that the game is crashing and burning.
As for me, it's a pretty exciting time in the game. Seiges and node wars comes out tomorrow, a patch that addresses a ton of major community concerns hits tomorrow, and Valencia soon after. I've never seen a hacker and never been "griefed" by people k'sing mobs from me.
But yeah, if you need a discount to play, you'll probably have to wait for it to go f2p. That might happen sometime down the road. But I really can't see them discounting the price lower than 30 bucks.
For example, Trion. Compared to Trion, Daum is the best publisher ever.
Opinions vary.
Daum Korea is good.
Daum EU is terrible, far worse than any western publisher IMO
I've been playing online games since they were just text and Trion is the worst game company ever. I filed a complaint with the California Attorney General's office against them for consumer fraud and they are under investigation.
Pretty sure the raving for this game started with the graphics. This seems to be the standard for some people nowadays. I just don't get it why someone would even look at that before checking gameplay. Good gameplay is what keeps you playing.
I can definitely see how you'd get the impression, especially from these forums recently, that the game is crashing and burning.
Anyone who wasn't trying desperately to support it and keep the game going can tell the game is failing already just my the traffic at the the stables, warehouses and traders. It used to be crowded all the time now those spots are empty. So if the game isn't failing already where did all the players go?
@mentoplus ; Bitter much? The AH takes a 30% cut for selling your items. Name a R/L Investment company or Brokerage that doesn't get a cut....
While I miss being able to trade with individuals or even name my own prices, the current system DOES prevent (as much as possible) random inflation by wealthy individuals.
Design a better working system in the next MMO you publish, then sound off.
simple free trading, 10% cut on ah and a big group of gms that track every single big gold movement in game
worked for wow for almost 10 years i guess it can work on a garbage korean mmorpg with 1/15 of the population
Well in KR its 30% for free players... with optional premium service which lowers it down to the standard 10-15% in alot of mmo.
The system makes alot of sense for F2P game... have no clue why Daum EU kept it as the free player amount tho, makes no sense for B2P with no optional premium service.
Another one of those things that they never adapted to their B2P model (if you can call it that, to me its just a few forced cash shop purchases on entry).
After playing Black
Desert Online for three months the same problems with all Korean
games have manifested.
First, as usual, the promo
to entice one to buy the game is misleading and deceptive. This
seems to be the case with every game originating out of Asia. Much of
the promised content is not there and it looks like it will never be
added before the game goes belly up.
Second it is just another
money hole grindfest with little content. Most of the quests are
ridiculously easy to complete. The alchemy quests are a bit harder
but only because you have to run around the map to gather and produce
materials.
Third, in a lame attempt
to slow the game down, because of lack of content, they have no fast
travel of any sort.
Fourth they have the
player to player trades disabled. So it's impossible to transfer
items between players.
Fifth for some insane
reason they steal a huge chunk of any sale in the marketplace. If
one sells an item for 600,000 silver the player gets 390,000.
But as with all these
games the worst part is the entrenched beta testers who started the
game on launch with a huge advantage and who use cheats, bots and
exploits to remain on the top. And as usual they aggressively troll
the forums and viciously attack anyone who says a word that may
diminish their unfair advantages.
The graphic are
unquestionably beautiful but that's no compensation for a game that
falls short in so many other areas.
As with all of these
Korean games they conceal all the things that would make a consumer
reluctant to buy. For instance they fail to mention anywhere in
their sales pitch that once a player reaches level 50 they are
penalized. The cost of repairs is increased by 1000% and the amount
of experience needed to reach the next level has also been greatly
increased. They basically use every gimmick to delay player
advancement after level 50 although the game is touted as having
open-ended leveling. Also three months into the game and they have
failed to implement many promised features they used to entice sales.
They've also used another
familiar ploy, cut way back on the bandwidth and game performance
after the first month. The game has visibly been degraded from the
performance level on launch.
The bottom line is this.
Only the gaming industry seems to be able to get away with misleading
and deceptive marketing and it's high time legislation were passed to
make them comply with consumer protection laws and FTC truth in
advertising regulations. These game companies seem to view consumers
as victims to be bilked for every dime possible and have no concern
with making a quality game. I wouldn't be surprised if they plan on
only a 6-9 month game life and try to grab as much cash as possible
before it fails.
Allow me:
1) Absolutely no basis for saying this. The game has massive content and more is steadily being released. That first point of yours is also illogical and kind of racist: what part of the "promo" was misleading/deceptive? Why "Asian" games? I can think of plenty of Western devs that have let us down, even big names.
2) The game is not really about questing, you can pretty much make of it what you wish, but from my perspective its about exploring the world, getting to really know the npcs, digging into the massively deep crafting and trading system and building an empire.
3) The lack of fast travel is a feature and one of the most amazing parts of the game.
4) Yes there is no player trade, that carries benefits and downsides. In the context of BDO, it fits the system perfectly. Allowing player trades would destroy the game and turn it into p2w hell.
5) Who cares? That is the game's system. There a a gazillion ways to make cash.
6) The cheats suck, but like you say we see those types in all games.
7) I knew well before playing the game that progress past level 50 was exceedingly slow, don't be turning your ignorance into a fault of the game.
8) Do you have proof that they have purposefully degraded the play experience, or are you just talking out of your arse?
9) BDO is one of the best examples of fair pricing in an mmo, it delivers an amazing experience with hardly a trace of p2w for less than most broken early access games charge.
10) Your points boil down mostly to blaming the game for your own ignorance. If you don't like a game that is fine, but it is quite another thing to make accusations about being rorted.
I also read your post about litigation against Trion. Lol. The companies making us these amazing games are not the problem bro, people like you are.
Compared to ArcheAge, BDO is a funny little try, but beside of that, ill never play a Korean game again. Koreans can make Engines, Techs, incredible worlds and animations, but .. well, sadly they can not make a game. Gamemechanics from south east Asia is judged complete /fail by the very most of the western mmorpg players audience.
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The game has some remarkable life systems future games should take note of. I also really enjoy the freedom, mouselook combat (free aim would be better) world design and the many non combat ways to build your character. Ive never played an mmo where I didnt touch combat for a full week as Ive done with this.
The game has issues. But damn, it at least attempts to give an option that isnt dumbass linear quest hub all combat trash we have been beat over the head with for 10 years.
As for combos in PVP, that's the first I've heard of that issue.
Only publisher of an Eastern game I can think of that comes off as better is EnMasse for TERA. But TERA never had the problems that Archeage, BDO or BnS had, so they were never really put to the test.
Daum has botched some things and they need to improve on things. But at least they aren't blatant cash-grabbers.
Both Trion and NcWest botched at least as many things as Daum, and grabbed cash at every possible opportunity at the cost of the quality of the game.
Beautiful Garbage
Great description. Sadly sums up 95% of games these days.
free trading, 10% cut on ah and a big group of gms that track every single big gold movement in game
worked for wow for almost 10 years i guess it can work on a garbage korean mmorpg with 1/15 of the population
Are you serious? Like really? You can play the game free of the cash shop, I did it, but it is very frustrating experience. Try running with a full group free loot option and no pets out. It's not a great.
Explain why they are releasing the costumes in the cash shop slowly over time. They know players are short on patience and will shell out money for costumes, even if it's one they don't really want, then they will shell out again when the new ones are released after they've had enough time to get tired of the current one. Add to that the costumes are overpriced. Also the tears, coupled with one shot field boss mechanics and you have a steady stream of players dropping cash to avoid exp loss.
If they wanted to grab cash, they'd release the costumes every week. There would be RNG boxes and you'd be able to sell items in the marketplace.
There's no way a company interested in a quick buck would be releasing costumes slowly, just so people get bored of the one they have and buy another. That's not a cash-grabbing scheme, that's a decent marketing scheme.
One thing they certainly would never do is nerf their best-selling quasi-p2w outfit, right before their biggest pvp content drops.
Yeah, it's easier if you run with pets. I'm probably going to buy an additional 2 pets tomorrow as a matter of fact. Thing is, they have to make the items in the shop attractive to get, or nobody would use it.
The prices are high, no doubt, but there's a big difference between high prices and cash-grabbing techniques.
If you want to see cash-grabbing in action, look at Archeage and BnS at the same point in time after their release. You'd see RNG-boxes galore and as much real-life > in-game currency exchange as your bank account can muster.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Well, forums are weird. It's hard to tell which way the line is heading. Most of the frequent critics here don't play the game and probably never did.
I can definitely see how you'd get the impression, especially from these forums recently, that the game is crashing and burning.
As for me, it's a pretty exciting time in the game. Seiges and node wars comes out tomorrow, a patch that addresses a ton of major community concerns hits tomorrow, and Valencia soon after. I've never seen a hacker and never been "griefed" by people k'sing mobs from me.
But yeah, if you need a discount to play, you'll probably have to wait for it to go f2p. That might happen sometime down the road. But I really can't see them discounting the price lower than 30 bucks.
Burn it with fire. Than nuke it from orbit, just to make sure.
The p2w "free" crap continues as long as people buy it.
The system makes alot of sense for F2P game... have no clue why Daum EU kept it as the free player amount tho, makes no sense for B2P with no optional premium service.
Another one of those things that they never adapted to their B2P model (if you can call it that, to me its just a few forced cash shop purchases on entry).
It's so damned basic. Who are these clowns, and why are they even attempting mass communication?
1) Absolutely no basis for saying this. The game has massive content and more is steadily being released. That first point of yours is also illogical and kind of racist: what part of the "promo" was misleading/deceptive? Why "Asian" games? I can think of plenty of Western devs that have let us down, even big names.
2) The game is not really about questing, you can pretty much make of it what you wish, but from my perspective its about exploring the world, getting to really know the npcs, digging into the massively deep crafting and trading system and building an empire.
3) The lack of fast travel is a feature and one of the most amazing parts of the game.
4) Yes there is no player trade, that carries benefits and downsides. In the context of BDO, it fits the system perfectly. Allowing player trades would destroy the game and turn it into p2w hell.
5) Who cares? That is the game's system. There a a gazillion ways to make cash.
6) The cheats suck, but like you say we see those types in all games.
7) I knew well before playing the game that progress past level 50 was exceedingly slow, don't be turning your ignorance into a fault of the game.
8) Do you have proof that they have purposefully degraded the play experience, or are you just talking out of your arse?
9) BDO is one of the best examples of fair pricing in an mmo, it delivers an amazing experience with hardly a trace of p2w for less than most broken early access games charge.
10) Your points boil down mostly to blaming the game for your own ignorance. If you don't like a game that is fine, but it is quite another thing to make accusations about being rorted.
I also read your post about litigation against Trion. Lol. The companies making us these amazing games are not the problem bro, people like you are.
Koreans can make Engines, Techs, incredible worlds and animations, but .. well, sadly they can not make a game.
Gamemechanics from south east Asia is judged complete /fail by the very most of the western mmorpg players audience.