I loaded up MWO last week after a roughly 4 month hiatus. Pillars of Eternity after not having played the game in about the same amount of time. The Witcher 3 for the first time in about a month, and Heroes of the Storm for the first time in about 2 months. I don't think this situation is that uncommon for gamers.
Regardless of how much you enjoy your SSD, my point remains: HDDs are not causing issues noticeable enough to make the general consumer market want to spend the extra cash on a smaller-sized drive. And you can call people stupid, uninformed, or whatever plethora of insults you'd like, but it really won't make any difference to the market. It has no feelings, it just responds to demand. And the demand for SSD performance isn't high enough to justify widespread adoption among general PC users at the increased price point (yet). It's nice to see it moving in that direction (which it is), and that prices will come down further, resulting in HDDs becoming the more niche product (who knows, maybe a breakthrough in 3D memory storage will make all of this a moot point by then).
Like I said, my issue was with the assertion, made by many posters in this thread, acting as if the general public is stupid for not having already bought an SSD a year ago. That's just not the way the market works, and the market isn't going to drop HDDs wholesale until they can get roughly the same storage for the price. I'm simply offering explanation for why that is, and why it's silly to act as if anyone who isn't a wholesale adopter of the technology last year is inherently stupid or uninformed.
Do NOT buy a Seagate Hybrid EVER!!! I bought 5 of them 2 for the wife's pc, 2 for mine, one for my PS4. The only one that did not fail was the PS4 ( knock on wood ). Where I did manage to get two of them replaced ( They cut me off on free replacements even though all 4 were bought at same time and were all under warranty ) Of the two replacements one of those has now failed as well. The fail rate is insane its like 70% and in my case closer to 90%.
My friend and I both built brand new PC's. He threw in an SSD while I used an HDD. There's literally almost no freaking difference at all. We game side by side all the time. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch as far as differences. Sure in specific circumstances like booting up your PC, it's faster. Personally my PC boots in under 10 sec with an HDD and I only boot it once a week maybe?
There's literally people saying adding an SSD is the single greatest upgrade you could make to your PC in this thread..... pfft
Most folks aren't going to delete every game they have once they neglect to launch them every day, but that isn't really the crux of the issue. It's funny, actually, as your example is an example of a piece of hardware creating the same problem it fixes: SSDs speed up installing/uninstalling speeds, and their price point ends up necessitating these frequent installs/uninstalls by forcing consumers to buy smaller drive sizes.
The crux of the issue is the difference in price point for the performance boost. Only in very, very specific circumstances does an SSD provide a noticeable difference in gaming past a loading screen. It's a perception issue; gamers are far more concerned with framerate than load rate. For logical reason, as loading a game in seconds means very little if you're watching a slideshow afterwards. Even with HDD load times, you spend exponentially more time staring at the loaded game world than you do at a loading screen in all but the most instanced and load-heavy of titles (i.e. Destiny, a console title). SSDs are a solution to a problem no one was really complaining about, quite frankly. Which is why you're not seeing major PC manufacturers pushing television/internet ads everywhere singing the praises of their new "SSD-complete PCs." It's a nice boost to a performance area that means relatively little to the market at large.
They'll eventually replace HDDs for general PC use, I absolutely agree. And I support that evolution. However, they won't do so until they can closer align themselves with the price points of HDDs (which, again, will happen). Posts like BigRambo's are where I take issue, because while it's nice to reduce those load times, SSDs won't do much else for the average PC gamer and/or general PC user aside from forcing them to deal with smaller drive sizes in a world where file sizes for user programs (specifically for gaming) are growing at a brisk pace.
What a complete load of nonsense. An SSD makes a huge difference in many of the games I play frequently. throughout the game play. Getting stored graphics off computer storage is one of the major slowdowns for any game that constantly replaces graphics.
I need more than gigs. If I wanted to play a lot of my Steam games and other downloads, I need at least 2 TB, and its fucking expensive. I'd really like to get a hard drive to replace my current drive. It's ancient in computer terms.
There's nothing more gratifying than playing an MMO for free.
What a complete load of nonsense. An SSD makes a huge difference in many of the games I play frequently. throughout the game play. Getting stored graphics off computer storage is one of the major slowdowns for any game that constantly replaces graphics.
if you had read my posts in this thread, you'd note I admitted SSDs help with the hitching problem you refer to.
However, seeing as how even a game as beautifully rendered (and open-world) as The Witcher 3 suffers no noticeable or problematic hitching (nor has any MMORPG I've played on that system) on my HDD PC, I'm going to have to counter your post with the same phrase you used to counter mine: what a load of nonsense.
What a complete load of nonsense. An SSD makes a huge difference in many of the games I play frequently. throughout the game play. Getting stored graphics off computer storage is one of the major slowdowns for any game that constantly replaces graphics.
if you had read my posts in this thread, you'd note I admitted SSDs help with the hitching problem you refer to.
However, seeing as how even a game as beautifully rendered (and open-world) as The Witcher 3 suffers no noticeable or problematic hitching (nor has any MMORPG I've played on that system) on my HDD PC, I'm going to have to counter your post with the same phrase you used to counter mine: what a load of nonsense.
Live in denial, it is your right, a lot of the new games and some of the old ones show significant slowdowns when on a hard disk. So continue on with your nonsense.
What a complete load of nonsense. An SSD makes a huge difference in many of the games I play frequently. throughout the game play. Getting stored graphics off computer storage is one of the major slowdowns for any game that constantly replaces graphics.
if you had read my posts in this thread, you'd note I admitted SSDs help with the hitching problem you refer to.
However, seeing as how even a game as beautifully rendered (and open-world) as The Witcher 3 suffers no noticeable or problematic hitching (nor has any MMORPG I've played on that system) on my HDD PC, I'm going to have to counter your post with the same phrase you used to counter mine: what a load of nonsense.
Live in denial, it is your right, a lot of the new games and some of the old ones show significant slowdowns when on a hard disk. So continue on with your nonsense.
Denial of what, exactly? Maybe you missed the part where I said SSDs improve load times and help with hitching (just as the author of the articles mentions)? Or maybe you're a little bit more emotionally invested in this discussion than you should be, and you ignore everything else I've said in favor of trying to nitpick something to berate me about?
As I said, I've not noticed any problematic hitching with any title I've played on my HDD PC (including the aforementioned Witcher 3, Dying Light, ESO RvR and open world adventuring, and BDO). Will there be more utilization of the benefits of SSDs among games that utilize open world's or large amounts of loading screens as we move forward? I believe so. Are we to the point where folks who didn't buy an SSD a year ago are, to paraphrase some posters in this forum, stupid? Nope.
I recently re-built my PC and payed the lil extra to go SSD. The speed difference is amazing. I'm pretty mad at myself for putting it off for so long now :c
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Regardless of how much you enjoy your SSD, my point remains: HDDs are not causing issues noticeable enough to make the general consumer market want to spend the extra cash on a smaller-sized drive. And you can call people stupid, uninformed, or whatever plethora of insults you'd like, but it really won't make any difference to the market. It has no feelings, it just responds to demand. And the demand for SSD performance isn't high enough to justify widespread adoption among general PC users at the increased price point (yet). It's nice to see it moving in that direction (which it is), and that prices will come down further, resulting in HDDs becoming the more niche product (who knows, maybe a breakthrough in 3D memory storage will make all of this a moot point by then).
Like I said, my issue was with the assertion, made by many posters in this thread, acting as if the general public is stupid for not having already bought an SSD a year ago. That's just not the way the market works, and the market isn't going to drop HDDs wholesale until they can get roughly the same storage for the price. I'm simply offering explanation for why that is, and why it's silly to act as if anyone who isn't a wholesale adopter of the technology last year is inherently stupid or uninformed.
There's literally people saying adding an SSD is the single greatest upgrade you could make to your PC in this thread..... pfft
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There's nothing more gratifying than playing an MMO for free.
However, seeing as how even a game as beautifully rendered (and open-world) as The Witcher 3 suffers no noticeable or problematic hitching (nor has any MMORPG I've played on that system) on my HDD PC, I'm going to have to counter your post with the same phrase you used to counter mine: what a load of nonsense.
As I said, I've not noticed any problematic hitching with any title I've played on my HDD PC (including the aforementioned Witcher 3, Dying Light, ESO RvR and open world adventuring, and BDO). Will there be more utilization of the benefits of SSDs among games that utilize open world's or large amounts of loading screens as we move forward? I believe so. Are we to the point where folks who didn't buy an SSD a year ago are, to paraphrase some posters in this forum, stupid? Nope.