Heroic Fan Memorialized In Game For Act of Bravery

SBFord · July 2016

Cendharia said:

Sometimes its best to allow law enforcement to do what's needed. Causing someone's death because you decided to be a vigilante..isn't something I'd want to live with for the rest of my life.

Again -- the guy chasing the thief is the one who died. The thief was caught as a result of his actions. Stopping someone from committing a crime isn't being a "vigilante", it's called being a compassionate human being.

brihtwulf · July 2016

Gdemami said:

Dakeru said:

No Suzy the point is that he ended up killing someone for stealing a bike.
Death sentence for theft is way over the top and we can be grateful that he didn't get more people killed.

It's totally different whether you protect someone or if you go on some kind of Mad Max ride for revenge.

You are missing the point.

Even if you do the right thing, things can go wrong but if you will only think about things that can go wrong, you will never do anything.

You never know how things will turn out, how seemingly harmless situation might escalate into something that could not be stopped later and it is the essense of heroism - to act instead of thinking whether the cause is worthy.

I think a big point people are trying to make is that it wasn't a WORTHY cause. Recklessly chasing someone to save a bike (not a life) is stupid, and dangerous, and not worth it. He didn't do this to save his friend. He did it to get back the stolen item in an act of vigilante justice.

Volgore · July 2016

I read about this two days ago, but decided to not send it in as news.

I thought that the following discussion about it would get locked anyway, because some people just wouldn't hold back with inappropiate comments or donorcycle jokes and such.

Who is a hero to some is an incredibly stupid person to others, as heroic and stupid deeds are often only divided by a very fine line and sometimes one requires a bit of the other.

My guess is a 20 year old kid involving himself into a chase was not only about possibly returning one of a thousand stolen motobikes, but also for the thrill of it. I've had my share of close calls on my motobike and friends dying in accidents -because of said thrill.
So...getting on that bike, cranking up the gas and chase somebody through a city is either because you know what you are doing -what makes risking your life and that of other people your own decision. Or it is because you don't know what you are doing...what makes you reckless and dangerous. Both is not really heroic, but somewhat different levels of stupidity.
But then, who am i to judge this kid. RIP fellow gamer.

Xarko · July 2016

Ken1801 said:

"Heroes never die"

That caption is absolutely perfect for this.

Except he did die though.

Gdemami · July 2016

DMKano said:
More often than not innocents get hurt in high speed pursuits.

More often than not, those who stand up against wrongdoing put themselves into a risk of being harmed.

Do you want to call those who got hurt fools and those who get away unharmed heroes?

Because that is the point you are making here...

Scot · July 2016

SBFord said:

Cendharia said:

Sometimes its best to allow law enforcement to do what's needed. Causing someone's death because you decided to be a vigilante..isn't something I'd want to live with for the rest of my life.

Again -- the guy chasing the thief is the one who died. The thief was caught as a result of his actions. Stopping someone from committing a crime isn't being a "vigilante", it's called being a compassionate human being.

If our definition of justice and responsible action depended solely on a legal system which can question any action, we would have no heroes. Rather than sounding like a public service announcement I think MMORPG quite right to feature this and the game right to give him a nod.

((Yes I can do a Quote! Haven't a clue why suddenly now but it sure helps))

Dakeru · July 2016

Gdemami said:

DMKano said:
More often than not innocents get hurt in high speed pursuits.

More often than not, those who stand up against wrongdoing put themselves into a risk of being harmed.

Do you want to call those who got hurt fools and those who get away unharmed heroes?

Because that is the point you are making here...

And the point you are making here is just cherry picking phrases of others while completely ignoring that the whole thing is just about a stolen bike and a kid being dead because he wanted to play vigilante.

Gdemami · July 2016

Dakeru said:
And the point you are making here is just cherry picking phrases of others while completely ignoring that the whole thing is just about a stolen bike and a kid being dead because he wanted to play vigilante.

Am I...?

Look who is making assumptions about the guy being reckless and play vigilante. Have you been there? Do you know what happened there?

That was quite my point there...

jitter77 · July 2016

What if the guy was stealing the bike as a means to use it to commit some other attack? It is better to do something because you never know what will happen down the road. Too many people just look the other way in today's society. It is terrible

Anireth · July 2016

So many who think this was not a heroic act say that if he stopped someone with a gun he would be hero. No think about it, what if the one with the gun didn't ever have a bullet? Or if he used all. Or if he has one last bullet, which he uses to shoot the guy trying to stop him. Or that while he still has bullets, he was careful all the time not to actually hit someone. Or while the "hero" tackles him some shots get off and kill people. Or if his comrades take offense and kill even more people just for the sake of it.

What if the thief would have endangered a lot more people while being chased by the police? Not only would have driven longer, the police would probably have used more than one car/bike, so more chances to endanger someone.

Or maybe he needed the bike as escape vehicle from a crime he planned. Maybe he wanted to do a drive by shooting? Why is it that the thief, who as a matter of fact, commited a crime, is painted in a better light ("he might have had an emergency") then the one who tried to stop him?

It might have been a bit stupid, especially now that we *know* the outcome, but as other said, if you always calculate all possible outcomes, you'll never get anything done, because not only will you be busy with calculating said outcome, but there is always something that can go wrong, and more often than not, will do so.

I bet if he didn't die we wouldn't even have this discussion, which makes the thing about "standing up to someone with a gun is heroic, but not this" weird. Aren't you likely to die there, too? Unless of course you wait until the one with the gun is out of bullets, or distracted or so, but then you aren't standing up to someone with a gun.

xyzercrime · July 2016

Gdemami said:

Dakeru said:

No Suzy the point is that he ended up killing someone for stealing a bike.
Death sentence for theft is way over the top and we can be grateful that he didn't get more people killed.

It's totally different whether you protect someone or if you go on some kind of Mad Max ride for revenge.

You are missing the point.

Even if you do the right thing, things can go wrong but if you will only think about things that can go wrong, you will never do anything.

You never know how things will turn out, how seemingly harmless situation might escalate into something that could not be stopped later and it is the essense of heroism - to act instead of thinking whether the cause is worthy.

While I agree with your first pharagraph, I might disagree with your depiction of heroism. There is a fine line between reckless and courage (or "heroism" in this case). For me, heroism is when you do good deed (with proper thinking) for others while sacrificing your own in the process. While in this case, I reluctantly agree that this boy did a heroism act.

Dakeru · July 2016

Gdemami said:

Dakeru said:
And the point you are making here is just cherry picking phrases of others while completely ignoring that the whole thing is just about a stolen bike and a kid being dead because he wanted to play vigilante.

Am I...?

Look who is making assumptions about the guy being reckless and play vigilante. Have you been there? Do you know what happened there?

That was quite my point there...

I know that he is dead because he crashed (into the other guy?)
I'm sure he drove in a secure manner and no one that day was endangered because of a stolen bike.

Gdemami · July 2016

xyzercrime said:
There is a fine line between reckless and courage (or "heroism" in this case).

That is the thing.

If that guy stopped the thief without harming himself, we would call him a hero.
If that guy happens to die in the process of stopping the thief, we call him dangerous, reckless and fool.

It is easy to judge when the battle is over.
It is more comfortable to call it "not worthy the cause" than to act.
It is much easier to justify our inaction than credit actions of others.

Gdemami · July 2016

DMKano said:
Nope that's the point you are making

I see something wrong - I call the cops.

Right, because you push it even further - everyone acting beyond just calling police is a fool.

Got it.

Volgore · July 2016

DMKano said:

I see something wrong - I call the cops report the posting.

Corrected that for you.

xyzercrime · July 2016

I think there is (at least) three reasons why we can't jump into same conclusion yet:

1. Everyone of us has different standards of heroism.

2. I assume all of us were not being there to watch the exact condition at the time of crime. Everyone could only just guessing so far.

3. What we called "common sense" here may not be suited in China. This explains why some users in here (including me) feel confused why a reckless act being called heroism.

Krimzin · July 2016

donger56 said:

Deltois said:

Really, he tried to be a good citizen and you call it foolish. No one plans to die , but I say yes he s a hero, unlike you who would probably just let it happen by the sounds of things.

Absolutely I would let it happen. I don't care about a stupid bike. If the guy got some kid killed by chasing someone on a stolen bike he would be going to prison. Even the police don't chase stolen vehicles many time because it causes a danger to everyone on the road. Sometimes you need to stop and think rather than act out of emotion. Firemen don't run into burning buildings to save your couch right? Don't be a moron. This is just a publicity gimmick and nothing more.

There is a Quote by Edmund Burke that I feel applies.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke

Sovrath · July 2016

Gdemami said:

That is the point about heroism, it isn't a matter of calculation what is there to lose or gain - it is about caring and ability to act. That is nothing inheritedly stupid as you put it.

I completely agree.

I once, while leaving work, saw a man trying to take a purse from a older woman in the park across the street. I yelled out and ran toward him all the while thinking how I was going to incapacitate him as he had her in a bear hug.

suddenly I heard a scream like a bat out of hell and off to my left a woman was bearing down on him with a look of "I'm going to tear you to pieces".

He took a look at me but then her and she was what scared him. He just took off.

The other "savior" and I were really more interested in making sure the victim wasn't hurt.

However, as far as this incident, I would have just called the cops and they could have handled it. I wouldn't go after someone unless there was a kidnapping involved.

st4t1ck · July 2016

Spiderman Let the guy robbing the wrestling match get away, and uncle ben died for it.

Alomar · July 2016

Lol, so much drama. Calling the guy a hero for doing what we all "should" do is a bit much. Whether his specific actions, the pursuing and possibly endangering others, were wrong or right is not the point, he was a good and caring citizen. We don't have many of those anymore, anywhere. People would rather get out their phone and record an altercation so they can put it up on youtube or some other social media source for some fake attention.

Vrika · July 2016

SBFord said:

Dakeru said:

I'm at work and asked around..
Everyone said the same:
A heroic and brave act is trying to stop someone from beating someone else up and similar.

No one feels that riding a motorbike like a madman, risking the lives of people on the streets and ultimately getting yourself and the thief killed is a heroic act.

Once again missing the point that it is not the bike that matters, it is the act of service to fellow human beings. It is, as @goboygo said, the fact that this individual is the sort of person we need in this world, the one guy who would perform an act of great heroism in anyone's book. Stopping to consider all the possible repercussions of an act means that nothing gets done, a sad and terrible condition that has rendered the world a more dangerous place.

Would you teach others that they should chase stolen motorbikes?

The man's intentions were probably all good and right, but when we elevate an act to heroism we're also teaching others they should act like that. Then some other idiot will repeat the chase, and sooner or later more lives will be lost, all because we decided to publicly praise an idiot who chased a motorbike as an hero.

Distopia · July 2016

Gdemami said:

donger56 said:
Absolutely I would let it happen. I don't care about a stupid bike. If the guy got some kid killed by chasing someone on a stolen bike he would be going to prison. Even the police don't chase stolen vehicles many time because it causes a danger to everyone on the road. Sometimes you need to stop and think rather than act out of emotion. Firemen don't run into burning buildings to save your couch right? Don't be a moron. This is just a publicity gimmick and nothing more.

So you find charging an aggressor armed with automatic rifle fine and thought out but chasing a bike stupid...?

That is the point about heroism, it isn't a matter of calculation what is there to lose or gain - it is about caring and ability to act. That is nothing inheritedly stupid as you put it.

Well if you charge a shooter you'd be attempting to save actual lives, not material possessions, there is a difference there.

xyzercrime · July 2016

st4t1ck said:

Spiderman Let the guy robbing the wrestling match get away, and uncle ben died for it.

"Peter, please remember this, with great power comes great electricity bill.."

And so, peter decided to buy Intel I3 4130 instead of AMD FX 9590 CPU...

Wait, what..!?

SBFord · July 2016

Alomar said:

Lol, so much drama. Calling the guy a hero for doing what we all "should" do is a bit much. Whether his specific actions, the pursuing and possibly endangering others, were wrong or right is not the point, he was a good and caring citizen. We don't have many of those anymore, anywhere. People would rather get out their phone and record an altercation so they can put it up on youtube or some other social media source for some fake attention.

This.

Horusra · July 2016

Most people complaining hate real "heroes" cause they are not. They are cowards or lack the basic knowledge of how to defend themselves. They call on police to protect them then complain about the force that is used to protect them. They pull out phones to record instead of help then whine when others do not help them.

It is easier to bash a hero to find faults to bring them back to the coward's level than strive to better one's self to be the hero.

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