Out of the 150+ pages that the post over on the official forums has generated I saw this one by smed:
The SWG community has been voting with it's feet since the NGE came about. Either we end up being right about our ability to turn the ship around and make a game that's BETTER than it was before, or we were wrong and we fail. Either way we were losing subs before the NGE and believe it or not, we are losing them at a slower rate than before. I'm not going to pretend we didn't lose a bunch of subs from this. We did. And I don't think the game is where it needs to be yet to aquire new subs. But it's getting there with each and every publish.
At the end of the day there are a lot of people in this community that wonder why we did this? Why did we "deliberately" try and piss people off. Obviously that wasn't our intent. This is a business and we needed to improve the results of the business. Did we make a mistake? Maybe.. but only time is going to tell on that one. One thing is certain. We made a mistake with how we presented it to the community, and for that I'm sorry. I still think it was a needed thing though. It's not as simple as "you should have just fixed the things we were complaining about". That doesn't address the very real fact that what we had was a hardcore game that wasn't going to attract the mass audience that the Star Wars IP brings to the table.
Smed
What I find interesting is that he referred to the original swg as "hardcore". Maybe I am just getting old over here or something but I think Smed and I have completely different ideas of what hardcore is. Of course there are varying levels of what hardcore might be though. lets see.... A tactical turn based combat system with depth of skills for customization of characters where people of all ages and physical abilities are able to play and have fun is what Smed refers to as hardcore. Myself though i consider something that is entirely twitch based to be more for the "hardcore" shooter crowd. Something that alienates alot of older or physically challenged people and attracts the I pwnd joo n00b gank squads. I also view Lineage 2 as one of the MOST hardcore mmorpgs I have ever seen just because it is a mindless grind fest where it can take weeks upon weeks just to earn the adena to be able to get a crafter to make an idiot sword for you lol.
Originally posted by severius Out of the 150+ pages that the post over on the official forums has generated I saw this one by smed: The SWG community has been voting with it's feet since the NGE came about. Either we end up being right about our ability to turn the ship around and make a game that's BETTER than it was before, or we were wrong and we fail. Either way we were losing subs before the NGE and believe it or not, we are losing them at a slower rate than before. I'm not going to pretend we didn't lose a bunch of subs from this. We did. And I don't think the game is where it needs to be yet to aquire new subs. But it's getting there with each and every publish. At the end of the day there are a lot of people in this community that wonder why we did this? Why did we "deliberately" try and piss people off. Obviously that wasn't our intent. This is a business and we needed to improve the results of the business. Did we make a mistake? Maybe.. but only time is going to tell on that one. One thing is certain. We made a mistake with how we presented it to the community, and for that I'm sorry. I still think it was a needed thing though. It's not as simple as "you should have just fixed the things we were complaining about". That doesn't address the very real fact that what we had was a hardcore game that wasn't going to attract the mass audience that the Star Wars IP brings to the table. Smed What I find interesting is that he referred to the original swg as "hardcore". Maybe I am just getting old over here or something but I think Smed and I have completely different ideas of what hardcore is. Of course there are varying levels of what hardcore might be though. lets see.... A tactical turn based combat system with depth of skills for customization of characters where people of all ages and physical abilities are able to play and have fun is what Smed refers to as hardcore. Myself though i consider something that is entirely twitch based to be more for the "hardcore" shooter crowd. Something that alienates alot of older or physically challenged people and attracts the I pwnd joo n00b gank squads. I also view Lineage 2 as one of the MOST hardcore mmorpgs I have ever seen just because it is a mindless grind fest where it can take weeks upon weeks just to earn the adena to be able to get a crafter to make an idiot sword for you lol.
What a fucking retard that guy is. It wasnt as simple as fixing what was wrong? Of course it was. The only reason I left was because this idiot kept pushing out content over fixing bugs and exploits. They also refused to balance the game in anyway , shape or form till it was too late.
They arent losing as many customers as before? Of course you aernt , you dumbass. Anyone that actually stayed through all that shit, will never leave unless a nuclear holocaust takes the game away from them. Also the new customers dont know how the game used to be , thus they have no reason to be mad.
Its beyond me why they even let this guy still run the operation after the big dick up of this game he has performed.
Everytime I read something about this game it never appears to have any direction. That has always been the biggest downfall of this game. No one wants to play a game without continuity. IMHO they seem to "play it by ear" with every revamp and publish.
Originally posted by achesoma Everytime I read something about this game it never appears to have any direction. That has always been the biggest downfall of this game. No one wants to play a game without continuity. IMHO they seem to "play it by ear" with every revamp and publish.
Just a remark towards Games that allow to do things besides Combat: Horizons Saga of Ryzom EVE Online (Examples i know personally)
If you just look around, there's many a game that could appeal to you. I met lots of female Players in HZ and SoR, too. You can say, and rightly so, "That's not SWG." But the space battles in EVE for example are more "Starwarsy" than anything i saw to date, except maybe "X-Wing"
Originally posted by azhrarn Originally posted by SyrikRonove Azhrarn, I forgive you hun And you bring to mind an interesting point I haven't seen mentioned yet. All the non-combat stuff you mentioned about old SWG (crafter, ents, etc) was a major reason a LOT of women played this game which is a demographic video games have been trying to capture forever. This new attitude of theirs to make SWG primarily combat/adventure based is killing their raport with nearly half of the worlds population...women. That aint a good thing
Thanks.
About the women. There WERE a lot of us in SWG. More even than there were in AO, which had an unusually high number of female gamers subbed. Both of these games have or had many elements that members of my gender respond very well to without falling over onto the wrong side of the My Little Pony fence.
You see, women DO dig PvP, competing in lewtwars and the rest of those things most people traditionally assign to males, but we get tired of that very quickly if it isn't tempered by other, deeper and more esoteric content that many guys consider to be superfluous. We need both the adrenaline soaked rush of kicking someone's ass in PvP AND a completely unique and color-coordinated outfit. We need to compete AND socialize. We REQUIRE flexibility and the ability to personalize. And we STRONGLY object to being put in the back of the bus when it comes to our interests.
So the whole My Pretty Pony thing is more or less thoroughly insulting. We flocked to SWG because the game permitted us to do all the things we actually wanted to in a game, while being an integral and appreciated part of the player population. At one time, even Image Designers got a lot of respect and were valued by even the most mouthbreathing of leet dewds. But those days aren't just over, they're being bulldozed as parking space for a class of player we don't have much interest in becoming.
Missed demographic indeed.
qfe!
And to other women gamers out there, check out the new survey at http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/ if you havent already. I dunno if anyone in the industry pays attention to his studies, but it would be nice to get alot of female feedback on his current one.
I also have to say, after reading the dev tracker from last night, its obvious the dev team has NO IDEA what they are doing. The majority of questions were answered with "we know its an issue and we're trying to figure out how to fix it." ....... wtf. Idiots! All of them! I can see why they've never posted before now lol. It's like they have no concept of how mmo's work.
Originally posted by feldrin lol doesn't it suck that none of us actually have a galaxies account anymore so that we can ask the question we would like to.
I do and did. I was the guy who asked about the expansion.
If this has been talked about already I am sorry but this is insane.
Smed sounds like a broken record. If I wanna hear someone repeat over and over everything is fine and things are going according to plan I will watch the news detailing every Bush speach from hear till he is out of office.
They must have both read from the same book by the fictional character from Sienfeld George Costanza (sp?) "It's not a lie as long as you believe it."
Smed is nuts.
I read every post of his and I got more and more pissed. I almost broke down and spent the cash to reactivate my account to tell him so but he is getting that already from the rest of us poor souls still trapped in SWG Subscription Land.
I think the NGE is about what HE likes and what HE wants. Examples are the lack of turn based combat, he says he did not like the old way and likes this one. He admits it could have been a wrong move could it change yes but does he see it changing? no. He likes it. He claims to be a PVPer, he must not be playing the same game.
I like how he puts in there that things change.
Things do change, like the company making a change and suddenly you have no job and no credibility in the industry you goof. As we say to the morons that work at my job. Burger King is hiring, GO FLIP BURGERS!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Ehmma As we say to the morons that work at my job. Burger King is hiring, GO FLIP BURGERS!!!!!!!!
To work at Burger King, you have to be able to do it the customer's way. Smed seems incapable of acknowledging that things can be done in any way other than HIS way.
Burger King: Have it your way. Smed's SWG: Have it my way.
As we can see, he's not quite cut out to pursue a career in the fine food service industry. Maybe a referral to something slightly less challenging... like maybe the custodial arts.
Originally posted by azhrarn Originally posted by Ehmma As we say to the morons that work at my job. Burger King is hiring, GO FLIP BURGERS!!!!!!!!
To work at Burger King, you have to be able to do it the customer's way. Smed seems incapable of acknowledging that things can be done in any way other than HIS way.
Burger King: Have it your way. Smed's SWG: Have it my way.
As we can see, he's not quite cut out to pursue a career in the fine food service industry. Maybe a referral to something slightly less challenging... like maybe the custodial arts.
OK, not a burger king example, but still:
Customer: I'd like two bigmacs, large fries, large soda S: Sorry, can't give you that. Here, have 3 happy meals instead. C: Huh? I don't want that. S: Yes you do. Our recent customer focus group showed, people love happy meal since there's a toy in there C: But I'm hungry, and I want big mac. S: And we understand that. However you will find that happy meal is much more enjoyable. I prefer them myself over bigmacs C: But I'm the customer, I know what I want S: No you don't. We know, we've been listening to our customers for a while, and need to apeal to broader audience. C: *leaves*
Originally posted by Ehmma As we say to the morons that work at my job. Burger King is hiring, GO FLIP BURGERS!!!!!!!!
To work at Burger King, you have to be able to do it the customer's way. Smed seems incapable of acknowledging that things can be done in any way other than HIS way.
Burger King: Have it your way. Smed's SWG: Have it my way.
As we can see, he's not quite cut out to pursue a career in the fine food service industry. Maybe a referral to something slightly less challenging... like maybe the custodial arts.
OK, not a burger king example, but still:
Customer: I'd like two bigmacs, large fries, large soda S: Sorry, can't give you that. Here, have 3 happy meals instead. C: Huh? I don't want that. S: Yes you do. Our recent customer focus group showed, people love happy meal since there's a toy in there C: But I'm hungry, and I want big mac. S: And we understand that. However you will find that happy meal is much more enjoyable. I prefer them myself over bigmacs C: But I'm the customer, I know what I want S: No you don't. We know, we've been listening to our customers for a while, and need to apeal to broader audience. C: *leaves*
mcdonalds offeres a big mac AND a happy meal. not to give the customer a big mac is completely unreasonable since it's so easy to whip up.
however, soe can't just whip up a big mac on demand. it spent lots of time and money to turn our big macs into a happy meals . it's a one-sandwich shop and going back to the big mac would take a lot of money and time.
Originally posted by freethinker bad analogy really.mcdonalds offeres a big mac AND a happy meal. not to give the customer a big mac is completely unreasonable since it's so easy to whip up. however, soe can't just whip up a big mac on demand. it spent lots of time and money to turn our big macs into a happy meals . it's a one-sandwich shop and going back to the big mac would take a lot of money and time./just sayin'
Not as bad as you might think.
During August/September they were testing one of the big patches on TC. When logging in, the world data was stale by a month or two. I could tell easily by skills/equipment. It was about 2 weeks into the CU.
On another ocasion post-NGE, servers were taking a while to come back up (cannot remember whether live or TC). While servers were down, the login was not. On that screen, my character apeared in BE clothing/comp suit with a VK. Last time I used that was pre-cu.
So regardless of what they say, they did not erase the pre-cu in any way. Another tell-tale indication is the bugs. After launch of NGE (as well as CU), many of very very old bugs reapeared. You do not replicate old bugs intentionally, so they come from very old (pre-9 and older) codebase.
Make no mistake, they use versioning software. This has complete snapshots of all versions back to considerable past, most likely to the beginning. And the server foobar clearly showed that not only they do have the world data, but they have it readily available, even if just for testing.
Isn't this like having big-mac in storage, you just do not wish to cook them anymore, and instead serve only happy meals?
Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by azhrarn Originally posted by Ehmma As we say to the morons that work at my job. Burger King is hiring, GO FLIP BURGERS!!!!!!!!
To work at Burger King, you have to be able to do it the customer's way. Smed seems incapable of acknowledging that things can be done in any way other than HIS way.
Burger King: Have it your way. Smed's SWG: Have it my way.
As we can see, he's not quite cut out to pursue a career in the fine food service industry. Maybe a referral to something slightly less challenging... like maybe the custodial arts.
OK, not a burger king example, but still:
Customer: I'd like two bigmacs, large fries, large soda S: Sorry, can't give you that. Here, have 3 happy meals instead. C: Huh? I don't want that. S: Yes you do. Our recent customer focus group showed, people love happy meal since there's a toy in there C: But I'm hungry, and I want big mac. S: And we understand that. However you will find that happy meal is much more enjoyable. I prefer them myself over bigmacs C: But I'm the customer, I know what I want S: No you don't. We know, we've been listening to our customers for a while, and need to apeal to broader audience. C: *leaves*
hahahahaha, One of the best soe analagies of all time. The quotes from the employee are 100% right on bro. Vey nice job
Originally posted by SyrikRonove Originally posted by azhrarn So the whole My Pretty Pony thing is more or less thoroughly insulting.
Was this directed at me? If so I apologize for the misunderstanding, that's not the tag I was trying to pin on female gamers. I was simply trying to say that the non combat areas of the game were an important aspect in bringing a lot of women to SWG. I don't think that's ALL they liked.
Argh, sorry I missed this one. Syrik, that wasn't personally aimed. It's something of a pet peeve of mine that I've been barking at for years now. I have this serious personal beef with guys who can't let go of this misconception of female gamers as exclusively carebear sims types. When they're not busy blathering on about how there are "no girls on the intraweb", they're trying to get us to cyber and going on about how all we want to do is play dressup and cavort around with Rainbow Brite and My Little Pony. That's usually followed by a stream of profanity when you duel them and prove you're not just Little Suzi Blowup Doll.
There's not as much of that going on these days, but there's enough of it to keep some of us feeling defensive and easily irritated by it. Not to say you engaged in that kind of thing. Just explaining why I made the comment about it so you didn't think you'd said something wrong.
[quote]Originally posted by azhrarn [b][quote]Originally posted by SyrikRonove [b]
Originally posted by azhrarn
[quote][/image][/b][/quote] I have this serious personal beef with guys who can't let go of this misconception of female gamers as exclusively carebear sims types. When they're not busy blathering on about how there are "no girls on the intraweb", they're trying to get us to cyber and going on about how all we want to do is play dressup and cavort around with Rainbow Brite and My Little Pony. [/b][/quote]
Hmmm... you mean that is only a stereo type that isn't true? OMFG!!!!!!!!!
Thats ridiculous of course girls are like that, don't be crazy, I new this girl who plays MMO, she was my assistant in my office, and man she really loved to dress up, I think one of my fav was the Sailormoon outfit she did up, that was really neat, oh and Gem she no yea that was her she did Gem too you guys remember that the all girl rock band or something like that, that was really hot. But My little pony I will get back to ya.
Whannnnn Whannnnn dat is the sound of 20 year old babies
Originally posted by MeFartsSmell Thats ridiculous of course girls are like that, don't be crazy, I new this girl who plays MMO, she was my assistant in my office, and man she really loved to dress up, I think one of my fav was the Sailormoon outfit she did up, that was really neat, oh and Gem she no yea that was her she did Gem too you guys remember that the all girl rock band or something like that, that was really hot. But My little pony I will get back to ya.
Dont worry, your enlightment will come as well, one day.... - when the experience of life is revealing the true spirit and nature of the girls to you, when your selfcreated delusion of the female lifeform turns into something making you regretfulness for the last 15 years you were missing the benefit of understanding the deeper meaning behind it.
Till then, you are just the sexist with the same old stereotype phrases that you just demonstrated. (No offense Smelly....just a bit teasing you )
You would wonder how many girls on my server where really good in PvP and used to beat the crap out of guys at the MO, sounding like you ... : :02
Comments
Out of the 150+ pages that the post over on the official forums has generated I saw this one by smed:
The SWG community has been voting with it's feet since the NGE came about. Either we end up being right about our ability to turn the ship around and make a game that's BETTER than it was before, or we were wrong and we fail. Either way we were losing subs before the NGE and believe it or not, we are losing them at a slower rate than before. I'm not going to pretend we didn't lose a bunch of subs from this. We did. And I don't think the game is where it needs to be yet to aquire new subs. But it's getting there with each and every publish.
At the end of the day there are a lot of people in this community that wonder why we did this? Why did we "deliberately" try and piss people off. Obviously that wasn't our intent. This is a business and we needed to improve the results of the business. Did we make a mistake? Maybe.. but only time is going to tell on that one. One thing is certain. We made a mistake with how we presented it to the community, and for that I'm sorry. I still think it was a needed thing though. It's not as simple as "you should have just fixed the things we were complaining about". That doesn't address the very real fact that what we had was a hardcore game that wasn't going to attract the mass audience that the Star Wars IP brings to the table.
Smed
What I find interesting is that he referred to the original swg as "hardcore". Maybe I am just getting old over here or something but I think Smed and I have completely different ideas of what hardcore is. Of course there are varying levels of what hardcore might be though. lets see.... A tactical turn based combat system with depth of skills for customization of characters where people of all ages and physical abilities are able to play and have fun is what Smed refers to as hardcore. Myself though i consider something that is entirely twitch based to be more for the "hardcore" shooter crowd. Something that alienates alot of older or physically challenged people and attracts the I pwnd joo n00b gank squads. I also view Lineage 2 as one of the MOST hardcore mmorpgs I have ever seen just because it is a mindless grind fest where it can take weeks upon weeks just to earn the adena to be able to get a crafter to make an idiot sword for you lol.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
Ya think? I mean, it is on its 3rd re-publish....
Just a remark towards Games that allow to do things besides Combat:
Horizons
Saga of Ryzom
EVE Online
(Examples i know personally)
If you just look around, there's many a game that could appeal to you.
I met lots of female Players in HZ and SoR, too. You can say, and rightly so, "That's not SWG." But the space battles in EVE for example are more "Starwarsy" than anything i saw to date, except maybe "X-Wing"
Thanks.
About the women. There WERE a lot of us in SWG. More even than there were in AO, which had an unusually high number of female gamers subbed. Both of these games have or had many elements that members of my gender respond very well to without falling over onto the wrong side of the My Little Pony fence.
You see, women DO dig PvP, competing in lewtwars and the rest of those things most people traditionally assign to males, but we get tired of that very quickly if it isn't tempered by other, deeper and more esoteric content that many guys consider to be superfluous. We need both the adrenaline soaked rush of kicking someone's ass in PvP AND a completely unique and color-coordinated outfit. We need to compete AND socialize. We REQUIRE flexibility and the ability to personalize. And we STRONGLY object to being put in the back of the bus when it comes to our interests.
So the whole My Pretty Pony thing is more or less thoroughly insulting. We flocked to SWG because the game permitted us to do all the things we actually wanted to in a game, while being an integral and appreciated part of the player population. At one time, even Image Designers got a lot of respect and were valued by even the most mouthbreathing of leet dewds. But those days aren't just over, they're being bulldozed as parking space for a class of player we don't have much interest in becoming.
Missed demographic indeed.
qfe!
And to other women gamers out there, check out the new survey at http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/ if you havent already. I dunno if anyone in the industry pays attention to his studies, but it would be nice to get alot of female feedback on his current one.
I also have to say, after reading the dev tracker from last night, its obvious the dev team has NO IDEA what they are doing. The majority of questions were answered with "we know its an issue and we're trying to figure out how to fix it." ....... wtf. Idiots! All of them! I can see why they've never posted before now lol. It's like they have no concept of how mmo's work.
For the Horde!
If this has been talked about already I am sorry but this is insane.
Smed sounds like a broken record. If I wanna hear someone repeat over and over everything is fine and things are going according to plan I will watch the news detailing every Bush speach from hear till he is out of office.
They must have both read from the same book by the fictional character from Sienfeld George Costanza (sp?) "It's not a lie as long as you believe it."
Smed is nuts.
I read every post of his and I got more and more pissed. I almost broke down and spent the cash to reactivate my account to tell him so but he is getting that already from the rest of us poor souls still trapped in SWG Subscription Land.
I think the NGE is about what HE likes and what HE wants. Examples are the lack of turn based combat, he says he did not like the old way and likes this one. He admits it could have been a wrong move could it change yes but does he see it changing? no. He likes it. He claims to be a PVPer, he must not be playing the same game.
I like how he puts in there that things change.
Things do change, like the company making a change and suddenly you have no job and no credibility in the industry you goof. As we say to the morons that work at my job. Burger King is hiring, GO FLIP BURGERS!!!!!!!!
To work at Burger King, you have to be able to do it the customer's way. Smed seems incapable of acknowledging that things can be done in any way other than HIS way.
Burger King: Have it your way.
Smed's SWG: Have it my way.
As we can see, he's not quite cut out to pursue a career in the fine food service industry. Maybe a referral to something slightly less challenging... like maybe the custodial arts.
_______________________
Kote lo'shebs'ul narit
The game is dying.
Let is spit blood and suck in the die hards based on false hopes.
NO ONE would play this crap MMO if it didnt have a SW skin.
Let SOE feed on your hope.
Its your own damn fault.
Cancel is the only way.
Long live BIOWARE.
To work at Burger King, you have to be able to do it the customer's way. Smed seems incapable of acknowledging that things can be done in any way other than HIS way.
Burger King: Have it your way.
Smed's SWG: Have it my way.
As we can see, he's not quite cut out to pursue a career in the fine food service industry. Maybe a referral to something slightly less challenging... like maybe the custodial arts.
OK, not a burger king example, but still:
Customer: I'd like two bigmacs, large fries, large soda
S: Sorry, can't give you that. Here, have 3 happy meals instead.
C: Huh? I don't want that.
S: Yes you do. Our recent customer focus group showed, people love happy meal since there's a toy in there
C: But I'm hungry, and I want big mac.
S: And we understand that. However you will find that happy meal is much more enjoyable. I prefer them myself over bigmacs
C: But I'm the customer, I know what I want
S: No you don't. We know, we've been listening to our customers for a while, and need to apeal to broader audience.
C: *leaves*
To work at Burger King, you have to be able to do it the customer's way. Smed seems incapable of acknowledging that things can be done in any way other than HIS way.
Burger King: Have it your way.
Smed's SWG: Have it my way.
As we can see, he's not quite cut out to pursue a career in the fine food service industry. Maybe a referral to something slightly less challenging... like maybe the custodial arts.
OK, not a burger king example, but still:
Customer: I'd like two bigmacs, large fries, large soda
S: Sorry, can't give you that. Here, have 3 happy meals instead.
C: Huh? I don't want that.
S: Yes you do. Our recent customer focus group showed, people love happy meal since there's a toy in there
C: But I'm hungry, and I want big mac.
S: And we understand that. However you will find that happy meal is much more enjoyable. I prefer them myself over bigmacs
C: But I'm the customer, I know what I want
S: No you don't. We know, we've been listening to our customers for a while, and need to apeal to broader audience.
C: *leaves*
This... is brillant.
And needs to go on the SWG forums.
bad analogy really.
mcdonalds offeres a big mac AND a happy meal. not to give the customer a big mac is completely unreasonable since it's so easy to whip up.
however, soe can't just whip up a big mac on demand. it spent lots of time and money to turn our big macs into a happy meals . it's a one-sandwich shop and going back to the big mac would take a lot of money and time.
/just sayin'
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Not as bad as you might think.
During August/September they were testing one of the big patches on TC. When logging in, the world data was stale by a month or two. I could tell easily by skills/equipment. It was about 2 weeks into the CU.
On another ocasion post-NGE, servers were taking a while to come back up (cannot remember whether live or TC). While servers were down, the login was not. On that screen, my character apeared in BE clothing/comp suit with a VK. Last time I used that was pre-cu.
So regardless of what they say, they did not erase the pre-cu in any way. Another tell-tale indication is the bugs. After launch of NGE (as well as CU), many of very very old bugs reapeared. You do not replicate old bugs intentionally, so they come from very old (pre-9 and older) codebase.
Make no mistake, they use versioning software. This has complete snapshots of all versions back to considerable past, most likely to the beginning. And the server foobar clearly showed that not only they do have the world data, but they have it readily available, even if just for testing.
Isn't this like having big-mac in storage, you just do not wish to cook them anymore, and instead serve only happy meals?
To work at Burger King, you have to be able to do it the customer's way. Smed seems incapable of acknowledging that things can be done in any way other than HIS way.
Burger King: Have it your way.
Smed's SWG: Have it my way.
As we can see, he's not quite cut out to pursue a career in the fine food service industry. Maybe a referral to something slightly less challenging... like maybe the custodial arts.
OK, not a burger king example, but still:
Customer: I'd like two bigmacs, large fries, large soda
S: Sorry, can't give you that. Here, have 3 happy meals instead.
C: Huh? I don't want that.
S: Yes you do. Our recent customer focus group showed, people love happy meal since there's a toy in there
C: But I'm hungry, and I want big mac.
S: And we understand that. However you will find that happy meal is much more enjoyable. I prefer them myself over bigmacs
C: But I'm the customer, I know what I want
S: No you don't. We know, we've been listening to our customers for a while, and need to apeal to broader audience.
C: *leaves*
hahahahaha, One of the best soe analagies of all time. The quotes from the employee are 100% right on bro. Vey nice job
Smedley and his gang of Devs must be fucking retards.
Seriously, that is the only explanation.
NGE Refugee.
Was this directed at me? If so I apologize for the misunderstanding, that's not the tag I was trying to pin on female gamers. I was simply trying to say that the non combat areas of the game were an important aspect in bringing a lot of women to SWG. I don't think that's ALL they liked.
Argh, sorry I missed this one. Syrik, that wasn't personally aimed. It's something of a pet peeve of mine that I've been barking at for years now. I have this serious personal beef with guys who can't let go of this misconception of female gamers as exclusively carebear sims types. When they're not busy blathering on about how there are "no girls on the intraweb", they're trying to get us to cyber and going on about how all we want to do is play dressup and cavort around with Rainbow Brite and My Little Pony. That's usually followed by a stream of profanity when you duel them and prove you're not just Little Suzi Blowup Doll.
There's not as much of that going on these days, but there's enough of it to keep some of us feeling defensive and easily irritated by it. Not to say you engaged in that kind of thing. Just explaining why I made the comment about it so you didn't think you'd said something wrong.
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I have this serious personal beef with guys who can't let go of this misconception of female gamers as exclusively carebear sims types. When they're not busy blathering on about how there are "no girls on the intraweb", they're trying to get us to cyber and going on about how all we want to do is play dressup and cavort around with Rainbow Brite and My Little Pony. [/b][/quote]
Hmmm... you mean that is only a stereo type that isn't true? OMFG!!!!!!!!!
I respectfully request that you put your right hand in the door and slam it a few times.
kthxdienoob
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Thats ridiculous of course girls are like that, don't be crazy, I new this girl who plays MMO, she was my assistant in my office, and man she really loved to dress up, I think one of my fav was the Sailormoon outfit she did up, that was really neat, oh and Gem she no yea that was her she did Gem too you guys remember that the all girl rock band or something like that, that was really hot. But My little pony I will get back to ya.
Whannnnn Whannnnn dat is the sound of 20 year old babies
Dont worry, your enlightment will come as well, one day.... - when the experience of life is revealing the true spirit and nature of the girls to you, when your selfcreated delusion of the female lifeform turns into something making you regretfulness for the last 15 years you were missing the benefit of understanding the deeper meaning behind it.
Till then, you are just the sexist with the same old stereotype phrases that you just demonstrated.
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(No offense Smelly....just a bit teasing you
You would wonder how many girls on my server where really good in PvP and used to beat the crap out of guys at the MO, sounding like you ...
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Claude