I am playing the game for different motives and I guess I am seeing things from a non PvP perspective. I am not interested in levelling except for surviving to get to a node and talking to the NPC. Perhaps this is why I enjoy the game so much.
If this game was designed for PvP only it has given so much detail to things not PvP related. Take for example the plants you can grow. Have you spent any time looking at the icons of the plants you grow and how they look in each seed or representation of the crates you can make. I was astounded by the sheer volume of work that went in and if you plant different plants they require different levels of water and it is especially remarkable that you can see the water flow if you plant on higher ground and see plants at the lower ground get more water than those above. Planting in the shade also is represented with a difference. That is paying attention to detail that really demonstrates that the person who designed this system must really have loved to do it.
Seeing workers actually working and watching goods being transported makes the world come alive and the fact that the stable closes at night and the day and night cycle prevents you from drying fish or doing things that require the sun also further illustrates this attention to detail. I do not have a very fast horse and I am usually on foot or in a wagon so the pop in thing is not something I have witnessed personally so the world is absolutely gorgeous for me.
I liked reading what you wrote because it detailed what you liked and why you like it. It's not the final marks you gave nor the adjectives you used while explaining yourself, it is the substance of what you wrote that gave your opinion its weight.
Similarly I like to read what DMKano has to write because he does not just blindly condemn something he gives his reasons which is what I respect .
All in all Black Desert has become a current obsession of mine and it is filling my time and you know when a game makes you want to log in and play the game has succeeded in my book. I respect that others do not like the game just as I may not like what games they play but I find the act of stalking game forums of games I do not play for the express motive of denigrating the people who enjoy it below me.
I found comments often made about any game that do not offer any real reason but just insults or one liners easy to ignore. I do not even bother to read certain posters when I see the name easy enough not even worth putting them on ignore. Certain people are not worth my time taken to read nor respond to and this has nothing to do with the game or topic just their general behaviour on these forums. So even when they have directly responded to me by quoting me I don't even bother to read what they say. Never validate a troll by responding to them even in an lol rating is my motto.
I am playing the game for different motives and I guess I am seeing things from a non PvP perspective. I am not interested in levelling except for surviving to get to a node and talking to the NPC. Perhaps this is why I enjoy the game so much.
If this game was designed for PvP only it has given so much detail to things not PvP related. Take for example the plants you can grow. Have you spent any time looking at the icons of the plants you grow and how they look in each seed or representation of the crates you can make. I was astounded by the sheer volume of work that went in and if you plant different plants they require different levels of water and it is especially remarkable that you can see the water flow if you plant on higher ground and see plants at the lower ground get more water than those above. Planting in the shade also is represented with a difference. That is paying attention to detail that really demonstrates that the person who designed this system must really have loved to do it.
Seeing workers actually working and watching goods being transported makes the world come alive and the fact that the stable closes at night and the day and night cycle prevents you from drying fish or doing things that require the sun also further illustrates this attention to detail. I do not have a very fast horse and I am usually on foot or in a wagon so the pop in thing is not something I have witnessed personally so the world is absolutely gorgeous for me.
I liked reading what you wrote because it detailed what you liked and why you like it. It's not the final marks you gave nor the adjectives you used while explaining yourself, it is the substance of what you wrote that gave your opinion its weight.
Similarly I like to read what DMKano has to write because he does not just blindly condemn something he gives his reasons which is what I respect .
All in all Black Desert has become a current obsession of mine and it is filling my time and you know when a game makes you want to log in and play the game has succeeded in my book. I respect that others do not like the game just as I may not like what games they play but I find the act of stalking game forums of games I do not play for the express motive of denigrating the people who enjoy it below me.
I found comments often made about any game that do not offer any real reason but just insults or one liners easy to ignore. I do not even bother to read certain posters when I see the name easy enough not even worth putting them on ignore. Certain people are not worth my time taken to read nor respond to and this has nothing to do with the game or topic just their general behaviour on these forums. So even when they have directly responded to me by quoting me I don't even bother to read what they say.
Yeah things like the details you mentioned are probably my favorite thing about the game. The game is just oozing with attention to detail.
Probably the biggest thing that annoys me is when people write off the game as "just a grinder" because it doesn't have dungeons. They easily could have put in dungeons- the team that made this game is obviously very talented. They didn't exclude dungeons because they're lazy- they did it because they want this mmorpg to be different. They want guild war to be everyone's focus at endgame, and if there were dungeons, people may not participate as much.
And yeah I think DMKano's post was constructive. I disagree with a lot of it but at least he acknowledges good things about the game, and some of his complaints are perfectly valid.
I pity you in the same way I'd express sadness over a cultist convinced that giant brain worms from Venus are about to arrive on Earth any day now - so, basically, not without a laugh at your delusion.
I wasn't remembering why I had you on ignore, so I clicked to see what you posted. I shouldn't have. I bet I put you on ignore back then for a similar arrogant and condescending post.
You could have just posted your opinion about the game without insulting the OP and the other players. But you didn't.
What's ironic is that your little cultist analogy applies quite perfectly to... yourself, and your insulting attitude towards those who happen to enjoy a game you don't.
It's funny: I disagree with a lot of people, but I don't have a single person on these forums on ignore. It takes a special kind of personality to get so unhinged by the words of others on a message board that you have to silence them in order to maintain your sanity. In fact, I think it speaks volumes about how little regard you hold for your own values that the postings of others threaten your ability to maintain composure.
Not that you can read this, of course.
But, I digress, I stand by my analogy in my original comment: calling BDO potentially the greatest MMORPG of all time just shows how ridiculously skewed the OP's logic is. How can you objectively critique what you are essentially branding the Godfather of this genre? You might as well not even post the review at all at that point - what does it matter, with a thread title like that, what little nits he deigns to pick? At the end of the day, you've already said your peace: BDO is the GOAT.
Except it's not. It's not even close. And I don't care about 'we all have our opinions, yadda yadda' - the product has been widely panned. This is not the greatest MMORPG of all time.
or it could have something to do with every post I for one have at least seen you post is cynical pessimistic and to some extend degrading to the person you're responding to.. you seem to hold contempt against all games and gamers alike and i can't fathom why you bother posting here other than the fact of inciting anger in the people you have nothing better to do than insult...
Again, if you let my posts bother you that much, that's a personal problem. I call it like it is; and if my contributions actually were trolling, I'd have been banned.
In the future, don't wear your heart on your sleeve and embrace the beta male status quo as your own, and I promise the words of others will stop cutting so deep.
Dude you are a legend. In your own mind...
The general assumption is that the people posting here have a genuine interest in MMO's and lately, other types of Games, though it does seem as though some are just negative about games in general, which technically does constitute an interest in games, though it begs the question, if your only interest in MMO's etc is from a negative perspective, then does that constitute a healthy interest, or perhaps an unhealthy one, and is it even about the games, or just the players of games.
MMORPG style Dungeons are actually coming. They have some in KR already.
I personally think the game already has dungeons. The map is full of caves and other explorable indoor places that are pretty much dungeons, containing mobs, boss mobs and treasure chests.
My impression of those dungeons is they are just open areas full of tough mobs that have good drops. They seem to be an alternative way of grinding, for the most part, and don't strike me as the same kind of dungeons people are used to. Which to me is a good thing.
This game keeps everyone out in the virtual world and not locked in instances.
But, I digress, I stand by my analogy in my original comment: calling BDO potentially the greatest MMORPG of all time just shows how ridiculously skewed the OP's logic is. How can you objectively critique what you are essentially branding the Godfather of this genre? You might as well not even post the review at all at that point - what does it matter, with a thread title like that, what little nits he deigns to pick? At the end of the day, you've already said your peace: BDO is the GOAT.
Except it's not. It's not even close. And I don't care about 'we all have our opinions, yadda yadda' - the product has been widely panned. This is not the greatest MMORPG of all time.
I think the title says "greatest mmo experience". I don't have the time to play it atm, but I can certainly relate to the OP's feeling. It was just so beautiful, so free form, so deep, so immersive ... had a great time.
- Character creation - it's pretty much best there is - Graphics are great - Action combat is very fun - Horse breeding - done very well - Auto-crafting/worker system is well thought out
Areas where BDO does well:
- 1-50 game is pretty fun - Non-combat systems - many of which are done well (at least at first) - Seamless world - Node system and CP are done well - I am a big fan of authpathing in BDO - Functional pets - I like this a lot - yes other games have done this years before but it's a good feature
Areas where BDO doesn't do so well:
- 51-55 level progression - it's pretty grind heavy - Naval system - it's currently really basic and leaves a lot to be desired (future content updates should address this), but right now boats feel slow and clunky - Boats cannot be repaired - why? - No meaningful underwater content - like treasure diving, underwater combat etc.... - Trade is pretty basic, trade packs are not worth the hassle longterm - No crafting or trade system come close to actual earning money via grinding - especially at 55+, why? - Few contested grind spots - even with Valencia out - the best grind spots are still Sausans and Pirates, especially considering silver earning potential. - PvP is far too restrictive - making the game which is an "open PvP game" feel like a 99.9% PvE game in reality - especially after the "no XP loss on death" nerf Gear disparity is a huge factor in PvP - if you are fighting a +20 player as a +15 - you are not going win period - no chance - Pet breeding can be very cash shop heavy (expensive) - To fully enjoy the game, certain cash shop purchases are a must (pets, underwear, glasses/earrings, Elion's tears are a must at 55+ when XP loss starts to suck big time)
Areas where BDO falls short in a big way:
- Server performance in key areas (like Node wars and Boss fights) - well frankly put it sucks - Daum's support is terrible - Boss fight mechanics - especially for melee classes are pure cancer, due to horrible lag and server performance - Extremely limited way of customizing your looks in game - $30 cash shop cosmetic outfits cost as much as the entire game - Badly balanced classes due to how Daum decided to butcher US/EU patches - huge power shifts happen from patch to patch where super powerful classes become nerfed hard overnight. - Extreme RNG (akin to ArcheAge at launch before RNG got reduced significantly) - No class specific "best in slot gear" - the same boss armor is the best end-game gear for every class - it's really crazy to think that everyone is after the *same* armor end game - Fun factor and extreme repetition nosedives after level 51+ for many players - almost all the players in the 2 guilds I've been in end up quitting soon after they get into early 50s (this is where the real grind starts to kick in) - Hacking problems after launch have gone unnoticed and the ill gotten gains were not rolled back for many players that were not blatant about it - which allowed them to be FAR AHEAD of the players who didn't cheat in both gear and XP progression - Inability to trade with your guild - creates a very "solo-centric" I am in this for me experience
All in all - I would 100% recommend this game to most players as 1-50 experience is worth and even if you get several weeks of fun out of this - IMO totally worth the $30 entry fee.
So 1-50 is probably a good 8.5 out of 10
But end game (especially in EU/US Daum version) nosedives pretty quick - this is where the game feels like a 6.5 out of 10 - which is self evident in how many people quit when they reach this point.
Now that's what I consider an honest and insightful review. Well done.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
- Character creation - it's pretty much best there is - Graphics are great - Action combat is very fun - Horse breeding - done very well - Auto-crafting/worker system is well thought out
Areas where BDO does well:
- 1-50 game is pretty fun - Non-combat systems - many of which are done well (at least at first) - Seamless world - Node system and CP are done well - I am a big fan of authpathing in BDO - Functional pets - I like this a lot - yes other games have done this years before but it's a good feature
Areas where BDO doesn't do so well:
- 51-55 level progression - it's pretty grind heavy - Naval system - it's currently really basic and leaves a lot to be desired (future content updates should address this), but right now boats feel slow and clunky - Boats cannot be repaired - why? - No meaningful underwater content - like treasure diving, underwater combat etc.... - Trade is pretty basic, trade packs are not worth the hassle longterm - No crafting or trade system come close to actual earning money via grinding - especially at 55+, why? - Few contested grind spots - even with Valencia out - the best grind spots are still Sausans and Pirates, especially considering silver earning potential. - PvP is far too restrictive - making the game which is an "open PvP game" feel like a 99.9% PvE game in reality - especially after the "no XP loss on death" nerf Gear disparity is a huge factor in PvP - if you are fighting a +20 player as a +15 - you are not going win period - no chance - Pet breeding can be very cash shop heavy (expensive) - To fully enjoy the game, certain cash shop purchases are a must (pets, underwear, glasses/earrings, Elion's tears are a must at 55+ when XP loss starts to suck big time)
Areas where BDO falls short in a big way:
- Server performance in key areas (like Node wars and Boss fights) - well frankly put it sucks - Daum's support is terrible - Boss fight mechanics - especially for melee classes are pure cancer, due to horrible lag and server performance - Extremely limited way of customizing your looks in game - $30 cash shop cosmetic outfits cost as much as the entire game - Badly balanced classes due to how Daum decided to butcher US/EU patches - huge power shifts happen from patch to patch where super powerful classes become nerfed hard overnight. - Extreme RNG (akin to ArcheAge at launch before RNG got reduced significantly) - No class specific "best in slot gear" - the same boss armor is the best end-game gear for every class - it's really crazy to think that everyone is after the *same* armor end game - Fun factor and extreme repetition nosedives after level 51+ for many players - almost all the players in the 2 guilds I've been in end up quitting soon after they get into early 50s (this is where the real grind starts to kick in) - Hacking problems after launch have gone unnoticed and the ill gotten gains were not rolled back for many players that were not blatant about it - which allowed them to be FAR AHEAD of the players who didn't cheat in both gear and XP progression - Inability to trade with your guild - creates a very "solo-centric" I am in this for me experience
All in all - I would 100% recommend this game to most players as 1-50 experience is worth and even if you get several weeks of fun out of this - IMO totally worth the $30 entry fee.
So 1-50 is probably a good 8.5 out of 10
But end game (especially in EU/US Daum version) nosedives pretty quick - this is where the game feels like a 6.5 out of 10 - which is self evident in how many people quit when they reach this point.
Now that's what I consider an honest and insightful review. Well done.
Honestly his review is just as opinionated as mine, or at least as based on personal experience.
Like I said, I disagree with almost all of his points. My experience has not been the same. I haven't gone through all of them because it's simply a matter of our experiences being different. But since you insist, here's a couple:
Daum support being terrible? I put in a ticket because I felt I was short one Valencia seal. I wasn't even totally sure if I had logged in 12 consecutive days but felt like I had. The next day they sent me an extra seal.
He talks often about his guild(s) being extremely unhappy. My guild constantly talks about how addicted to the game they are. Fun for me has gone up since 50, not down.
This is a guy that immediately started killing horses as soon as he was able to. That's fine and it's cool that the game supports evildoing, but his playstyle and guild he would fit into are different than mine.
There is no "I am in this for me" attitude in my guild. People are doing guild missions all the time. People, including me, spend hours prepping for node wars. There is more of a community feeling in my guild than any other guild I've ever been a part of in an MMORPG. It's true people can't give me gear but I don't need that to feel part of a community. People can and do give muliple food to the entire guild worth 50k silver each, meaning millions spent every node war.
BDO's endgame is all about the success of your guild, not you as an individual. There are many systems in place that promote just the opposite of the selfish attitude he claims the game necessitates.
I'm not saying his review was dishonest. I believe him when he says people are quitting from his guild. But does that mean I'm lying when I say people are very enthusiastic about the game in my guild?
I think it's telling that you find my review to be dishonest simply because I do not find many negatives about the game. It's almost like those are the only things you want to see...
Bottomline: this gospel that the game tanks after 50 is at least not universally true, although it's spoken like it is by DMKano. I'm having more fun at 54 than I did at 44, much more fun. I have guildies at 57 firmly addicted to the game and enjoying it.
Look at the end of the day it doesn't matter what other people think of the game, the only thing that should be important to you is that you enjoy playing it, you don't have to defend it and convince people that it's the greatest game.. because 9/10 if a person has already played or even not played and made up their mind about their game, no amount of reviews etc.. are going to change that stance.
So it's fantastic that it's the perfect game to you, i'm honestly pleased to see that people can find a game they are immersed in and want to play, considering all the people who are constantly complaining that they can't find a game they like.
Enjoy the game for as long as you can if that's years all the more power to you!
Great review and I agree mostly. If the game had dungeons, trinity and encouraged grouping it would be perfect. Will be interesting to see how the game grows over time.
Still see the same people that have said since beta that they do not like the game but yet they still keep coming here posting.
- Character creation - it's pretty much best there is - Graphics are great - Action combat is very fun - Horse breeding - done very well - Auto-crafting/worker system is well thought out
Areas where BDO does well:
- 1-50 game is pretty fun - Non-combat systems - many of which are done well (at least at first) - Seamless world - Node system and CP are done well - I am a big fan of authpathing in BDO - Functional pets - I like this a lot - yes other games have done this years before but it's a good feature
Areas where BDO doesn't do so well:
- 51-55 level progression - it's pretty grind heavy - Naval system - it's currently really basic and leaves a lot to be desired (future content updates should address this), but right now boats feel slow and clunky - Boats cannot be repaired - why? - No meaningful underwater content - like treasure diving, underwater combat etc.... - Trade is pretty basic, trade packs are not worth the hassle longterm - No crafting or trade system come close to actual earning money via grinding - especially at 55+, why? - Few contested grind spots - even with Valencia out - the best grind spots are still Sausans and Pirates, especially considering silver earning potential. - PvP is far too restrictive - making the game which is an "open PvP game" feel like a 99.9% PvE game in reality - especially after the "no XP loss on death" nerf Gear disparity is a huge factor in PvP - if you are fighting a +20 player as a +15 - you are not going win period - no chance - Pet breeding can be very cash shop heavy (expensive) - To fully enjoy the game, certain cash shop purchases are a must (pets, underwear, glasses/earrings, Elion's tears are a must at 55+ when XP loss starts to suck big time)
Areas where BDO falls short in a big way:
- Server performance in key areas (like Node wars and Boss fights) - well frankly put it sucks - Daum's support is terrible - Boss fight mechanics - especially for melee classes are pure cancer, due to horrible lag and server performance - Extremely limited way of customizing your looks in game - $30 cash shop cosmetic outfits cost as much as the entire game - Badly balanced classes due to how Daum decided to butcher US/EU patches - huge power shifts happen from patch to patch where super powerful classes become nerfed hard overnight. - Extreme RNG (akin to ArcheAge at launch before RNG got reduced significantly) - No class specific "best in slot gear" - the same boss armor is the best end-game gear for every class - it's really crazy to think that everyone is after the *same* armor end game - Fun factor and extreme repetition nosedives after level 51+ for many players - almost all the players in the 2 guilds I've been in end up quitting soon after they get into early 50s (this is where the real grind starts to kick in) - Hacking problems after launch have gone unnoticed and the ill gotten gains were not rolled back for many players that were not blatant about it - which allowed them to be FAR AHEAD of the players who didn't cheat in both gear and XP progression - Inability to trade with your guild - creates a very "solo-centric" I am in this for me experience
All in all - I would 100% recommend this game to most players as 1-50 experience is worth and even if you get several weeks of fun out of this - IMO totally worth the $30 entry fee.
So 1-50 is probably a good 8.5 out of 10
But end game (especially in EU/US Daum version) nosedives pretty quick - this is where the game feels like a 6.5 out of 10 - which is self evident in how many people quit when they reach this point.
Now that's what I consider an honest and insightful review. Well done.
Honestly his review is just as opinionated as mine, or at least as based on personal experience.
Like I said, I disagree with almost all of his points. My experience has not been the same. I haven't gone through all of them because it's simply a matter of our experiences being different. But since you insist, here's a couple:
Daum support being terrible? I put in a ticket because I felt I was short one Valencia seal. I wasn't even totally sure if I had logged in 12 consecutive days but felt like I had. The next day they sent me an extra seal.
He talks often about his guild(s) being extremely unhappy. My guild constantly talks about how addicted to the game they are. Fun for me has gone up since 50, not down.
This is a guy that immediately started killing horses as soon as he was able to. That's fine and it's cool that the game supports evildoing, but his playstyle and guild he would fit into are different than mine.
There is no "I am in this for me" attitude in my guild. People are doing guild missions all the time. People, including me, spend hours prepping for node wars. There is more of a community feeling in my guild than any other guild I've ever been a part of in an MMORPG. It's true people can't give me gear but I don't need that to feel part of a community. People can and do give muliple food to the entire guild worth 50k silver each, meaning millions spent every node war.
BDO's endgame is all about the success of your guild, not you as an individual. There are many systems in place that promote just the opposite of the selfish attitude he claims the game necessitates.
I'm not saying his review was dishonest. I believe him when he says people are quitting from his guild. But does that mean I'm lying when I say people are very enthusiastic about the game in my guild?
I think it's telling that you find my review to be dishonest simply because I do not find many negatives about the game. It's almost like those are the only things you want to see...
Bottomline: this gospel that the game tanks after 50 is at least not universally true, although it's spoken like it is by DMKano. I'm having more fun at 54 than I did at 44, much more fun. I have guildies at 57 firmly addicted to the game and enjoying it.
Of course it's as opinionated. It's a review. That's what reviews are. Opinions. The difference is that DMK tried to present a full range of opinions. The good and bad and everything in between so that the readers can make an informed decision. He attempted to be objective. Yours is not, it's little more than free advertising for BDO. There is no objectivity, you make no mention of the game's flaws and shortcomings and made no attempt to hide that.
- Character creation - it's pretty much best there is - Graphics are great - Action combat is very fun - Horse breeding - done very well - Auto-crafting/worker system is well thought out
Areas where BDO does well:
- 1-50 game is pretty fun - Non-combat systems - many of which are done well (at least at first) - Seamless world - Node system and CP are done well - I am a big fan of authpathing in BDO - Functional pets - I like this a lot - yes other games have done this years before but it's a good feature
Areas where BDO doesn't do so well:
- 51-55 level progression - it's pretty grind heavy - Naval system - it's currently really basic and leaves a lot to be desired (future content updates should address this), but right now boats feel slow and clunky - Boats cannot be repaired - why? - No meaningful underwater content - like treasure diving, underwater combat etc.... - Trade is pretty basic, trade packs are not worth the hassle longterm - No crafting or trade system come close to actual earning money via grinding - especially at 55+, why? - Few contested grind spots - even with Valencia out - the best grind spots are still Sausans and Pirates, especially considering silver earning potential. - PvP is far too restrictive - making the game which is an "open PvP game" feel like a 99.9% PvE game in reality - especially after the "no XP loss on death" nerf Gear disparity is a huge factor in PvP - if you are fighting a +20 player as a +15 - you are not going win period - no chance - Pet breeding can be very cash shop heavy (expensive) - To fully enjoy the game, certain cash shop purchases are a must (pets, underwear, glasses/earrings, Elion's tears are a must at 55+ when XP loss starts to suck big time)
Areas where BDO falls short in a big way:
- Server performance in key areas (like Node wars and Boss fights) - well frankly put it sucks - Daum's support is terrible - Boss fight mechanics - especially for melee classes are pure cancer, due to horrible lag and server performance - Extremely limited way of customizing your looks in game - $30 cash shop cosmetic outfits cost as much as the entire game - Badly balanced classes due to how Daum decided to butcher US/EU patches - huge power shifts happen from patch to patch where super powerful classes become nerfed hard overnight. - Extreme RNG (akin to ArcheAge at launch before RNG got reduced significantly) - No class specific "best in slot gear" - the same boss armor is the best end-game gear for every class - it's really crazy to think that everyone is after the *same* armor end game - Fun factor and extreme repetition nosedives after level 51+ for many players - almost all the players in the 2 guilds I've been in end up quitting soon after they get into early 50s (this is where the real grind starts to kick in) - Hacking problems after launch have gone unnoticed and the ill gotten gains were not rolled back for many players that were not blatant about it - which allowed them to be FAR AHEAD of the players who didn't cheat in both gear and XP progression - Inability to trade with your guild - creates a very "solo-centric" I am in this for me experience
All in all - I would 100% recommend this game to most players as 1-50 experience is worth and even if you get several weeks of fun out of this - IMO totally worth the $30 entry fee.
So 1-50 is probably a good 8.5 out of 10
But end game (especially in EU/US Daum version) nosedives pretty quick - this is where the game feels like a 6.5 out of 10 - which is self evident in how many people quit when they reach this point.
Now that's what I consider an honest and insightful review. Well done.
Honestly his review is just as opinionated as mine, or at least as based on personal experience.
Like I said, I disagree with almost all of his points. My experience has not been the same. I haven't gone through all of them because it's simply a matter of our experiences being different. But since you insist, here's a couple:
Daum support being terrible? I put in a ticket because I felt I was short one Valencia seal. I wasn't even totally sure if I had logged in 12 consecutive days but felt like I had. The next day they sent me an extra seal.
He talks often about his guild(s) being extremely unhappy. My guild constantly talks about how addicted to the game they are. Fun for me has gone up since 50, not down.
This is a guy that immediately started killing horses as soon as he was able to. That's fine and it's cool that the game supports evildoing, but his playstyle and guild he would fit into are different than mine.
There is no "I am in this for me" attitude in my guild. People are doing guild missions all the time. People, including me, spend hours prepping for node wars. There is more of a community feeling in my guild than any other guild I've ever been a part of in an MMORPG. It's true people can't give me gear but I don't need that to feel part of a community. People can and do give muliple food to the entire guild worth 50k silver each, meaning millions spent every node war.
BDO's endgame is all about the success of your guild, not you as an individual. There are many systems in place that promote just the opposite of the selfish attitude he claims the game necessitates.
I'm not saying his review was dishonest. I believe him when he says people are quitting from his guild. But does that mean I'm lying when I say people are very enthusiastic about the game in my guild?
I think it's telling that you find my review to be dishonest simply because I do not find many negatives about the game. It's almost like those are the only things you want to see...
Bottomline: this gospel that the game tanks after 50 is at least not universally true, although it's spoken like it is by DMKano. I'm having more fun at 54 than I did at 44, much more fun. I have guildies at 57 firmly addicted to the game and enjoying it.
Of course it's as opinionated. It's a review. That's what reviews are. Opinions. The difference is that DMK tried to present a full range of opinions. The good and bad and everything in between so that the readers can make an informed decision. He attempted to be objective. Yours is not, it's little more than free advertising for BDO. There is no objectivity, you make no mention of the game's flaws and shortcomings and made no attempt to hide that.
"The difference is that DMK tried to present a full range of opinions."
Uh, ok, if you say so. His experience has as many negatives as positives, and his review reflects that. Mine does not. My experience has been vastly more positive than negative and my review reflects that.
I'm supposed to mention negatives that I'm not experiencing in my review? I'm supposed to say that the game gets worse after 50 even though I think it gets better?
Yeah I guess to you guys a review that says "the fun nosedives after 50" is "balanced" and "presents the full range of opinions".
No, but a proper review is supposed to be objective.
I'm fine if you guys want to say neither of our reviews were objective, but I think it's bullshit you're saying mine is dishonest just because it's positive, and his is objective because he says negative things about the game.
Consider that YOU might not be objective. You probably want the game to be bad so you don't feel like your missing out since your computer can't play it.
I would love to know your gaming history, OP. Because when you say greatest MMO experience ever, I immediately think of a few older games that have yet to be matched to this day and have all and more than you stated in your OP. FFXI and WoW mainly come to mind, especially the former. I'm glad you like the game, but I didn't last 2 days, it bored me to tears and it felt like I was playing another Archeage but with a different skin.
Yeah I guess to you guys a review that says "the fun nosedives after 50" is "balanced" and "presents the full range of opinions".
No, but a proper review is supposed to be objective.
I'm fine if you guys want to say neither of our reviews were objective, but I think it's bullshit you're saying mine is dishonest just because it's positive, and his is objective because he says negative things about the game.
Consider that YOU might not be objective. You probably want the game to be bad so you don't feel like your missing out since your computer can't play it.
I never said you were dishonest. Your review is simply incomplete. You just aren't following what is the accepted standard for reviews. An accurate review is supposed to give enough information for any reader unfamiliar with the subject in the review to be able to make an informed judgement call. Your review does not let any potential reader know that while your overall impression of the prodcut is positive, they might also experience things that others have given others cause for concern. DMKano's does.
As far as my PC goes, Ineed probably about $150. I rebuilt my PC recenlty, but didn't need a new GPU at the time, now.......yeah, I could probably get some better performance with one. But playing FFXIV right now, I am getting 60PLUS FPS on High settings.......So why would I want to spend $180 to play a game I'd enjoy for a month at best? Just not worth it. Even as it is, I am sure I could probably get a halfway decent frame rate at lower settings with what I have if it was really that important. This game, just doesn't move me enough to want to buy it. See, I see things in DMKanos review that I know I wouldn't like and can therefore make the informed decision that this game probably isn't for me. But yours......I'd want to hurry up and buy it.....Then run into some of the things DMKano mentions and I'd look at your review and say WTF?????
I would love to know your gaming history, OP. Because when you say greatest MMO experience ever, I immediately think of a few older games that have yet to be matched to this day and have all and more than you stated in your OP. FFXI and WoW mainly come to mind, especially the former. I'm glad you like the game, but I didn't last 2 days, it bored me to tears and it felt like I was playing another Archeage but with a different skin.
FFXI was my first MMO and I did love it. Spent a good year and a half playing it. I've played pretty much all of the major MMORPGs since then.
My review is subject to change of course (it's clearly labeled as a 1 month review). But BDO is shaping up to be really something special.
lol at OP, P2W will come sooner or later, it always does, don't fool yourself. As far as graphic goes, been there done that. And about boats not able to be repaired, example of a P2W feature soon to come, lol. Funny how people keep falling for these types of games over and over and over again. But hey, have fun with it. When a Dev says their B2P/F2P title won't be P2W, it's already a lie, maybe not at launch, but sooner or later they end up shoving the P2W features and players already "plugged" in to the game will start ditching out money, and that's the trap now a days, companies are evolving knowing far to freaking well that MMO players are fed up when it comes to P2W features, so they put a nice shiny bait up and BAM... so there you have it, lol.
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Games are no different to music or movies or books or any form of entertainment. Enjoyment is purely subjective and entirely personal.
Things only go off the rails when people attempt to define their own preferences as the universal standard.
If this game was designed for PvP only it has given so much detail to things not PvP related. Take for example the plants you can grow. Have you spent any time looking at the icons of the plants you grow and how they look in each seed or representation of the crates you can make. I was astounded by the sheer volume of work that went in and if you plant different plants they require different levels of water and it is especially remarkable that you can see the water flow if you plant on higher ground and see plants at the lower ground get more water than those above. Planting in the shade also is represented with a difference. That is paying attention to detail that really demonstrates that the person who designed this system must really have loved to do it.
Seeing workers actually working and watching goods being transported makes the world come alive and the fact that the stable closes at night and the day and night cycle prevents you from drying fish or doing things that require the sun also further illustrates this attention to detail. I do not have a very fast horse and I am usually on foot or in a wagon so the pop in thing is not something I have witnessed personally so the world is absolutely gorgeous for me.
I liked reading what you wrote because it detailed what you liked and why you like it. It's not the final marks you gave nor the adjectives you used while explaining yourself, it is the substance of what you wrote that gave your opinion its weight.
Similarly I like to read what DMKano has to write because he does not just blindly condemn something he gives his reasons which is what I respect .
All in all Black Desert has become a current obsession of mine and it is filling my time and you know when a game makes you want to log in and play the game has succeeded in my book. I respect that others do not like the game just as I may not like what games they play but I find the act of stalking game forums of games I do not play for the express motive of denigrating the people who enjoy it below me.
I found comments often made about any game that do not offer any real reason but just insults or one liners easy to ignore. I do not even bother to read certain posters when I see the name easy enough not even worth putting them on ignore. Certain people are not worth my time taken to read nor respond to and this has nothing to do with the game or topic just their general behaviour on these forums. So even when they have directly responded to me by quoting me I don't even bother to read what they say. Never validate a troll by responding to them even in an lol rating is my motto.
Probably the biggest thing that annoys me is when people write off the game as "just a grinder" because it doesn't have dungeons. They easily could have put in dungeons- the team that made this game is obviously very talented. They didn't exclude dungeons because they're lazy- they did it because they want this mmorpg to be different. They want guild war to be everyone's focus at endgame, and if there were dungeons, people may not participate as much.
And yeah I think DMKano's post was constructive. I disagree with a lot of it but at least he acknowledges good things about the game, and some of his complaints are perfectly valid.
This game keeps everyone out in the virtual world and not locked in instances.
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Like I said, I disagree with almost all of his points. My experience has not been the same. I haven't gone through all of them because it's simply a matter of our experiences being different. But since you insist, here's a couple:
Daum support being terrible? I put in a ticket because I felt I was short one Valencia seal. I wasn't even totally sure if I had logged in 12 consecutive days but felt like I had. The next day they sent me an extra seal.
He talks often about his guild(s) being extremely unhappy. My guild constantly talks about how addicted to the game they are. Fun for me has gone up since 50, not down.
This is a guy that immediately started killing horses as soon as he was able to. That's fine and it's cool that the game supports evildoing, but his playstyle and guild he would fit into are different than mine.
There is no "I am in this for me" attitude in my guild. People are doing guild missions all the time. People, including me, spend hours prepping for node wars. There is more of a community feeling in my guild than any other guild I've ever been a part of in an MMORPG. It's true people can't give me gear but I don't need that to feel part of a community. People can and do give muliple food to the entire guild worth 50k silver each, meaning millions spent every node war.
BDO's endgame is all about the success of your guild, not you as an individual. There are many systems in place that promote just the opposite of the selfish attitude he claims the game necessitates.
I'm not saying his review was dishonest. I believe him when he says people are quitting from his guild. But does that mean I'm lying when I say people are very enthusiastic about the game in my guild?
I think it's telling that you find my review to be dishonest simply because I do not find many negatives about the game. It's almost like those are the only things you want to see...
Bottomline: this gospel that the game tanks after 50 is at least not universally true, although it's spoken like it is by DMKano. I'm having more fun at 54 than I did at 44, much more fun. I have guildies at 57 firmly addicted to the game and enjoying it.
So it's fantastic that it's the perfect game to you, i'm honestly pleased to see that people can find a game they are immersed in and want to play, considering all the people who are constantly complaining that they can't find a game they like.
Enjoy the game for as long as you can if that's years all the more power to you!
Still see the same people that have said since beta that they do not like the game but yet they still keep coming here posting.
smh
Uh, ok, if you say so. His experience has as many negatives as positives, and his review reflects that. Mine does not. My experience has been vastly more positive than negative and my review reflects that.
I'm supposed to mention negatives that I'm not experiencing in my review? I'm supposed to say that the game gets worse after 50 even though I think it gets better?
Consider that YOU might not be objective. You probably want the game to be bad so you don't feel like your missing out since your computer can't play it.
As far as my PC goes, Ineed probably about $150. I rebuilt my PC recenlty, but didn't need a new GPU at the time, now.......yeah, I could probably get some better performance with one. But playing FFXIV right now, I am getting 60PLUS FPS on High settings.......So why would I want to spend $180 to play a game I'd enjoy for a month at best? Just not worth it. Even as it is, I am sure I could probably get a halfway decent frame rate at lower settings with what I have if it was really that important. This game, just doesn't move me enough to want to buy it. See, I see things in DMKanos review that I know I wouldn't like and can therefore make the informed decision that this game probably isn't for me. But yours......I'd want to hurry up and buy it.....Then run into some of the things DMKano mentions and I'd look at your review and say WTF?????
My review is subject to change of course (it's clearly labeled as a 1 month review). But BDO is shaping up to be really something special.
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