I was expecting them to add the item that changes gear into costumes before this step.
Seems like it will take much longer than expected. Imo having this item I'm mentioning being able to be sold in the auction house would have been fine if they did some discounts on their store once in a while.
Well we shall see if they at least listen to the outcry. Imo not everything in the store should be sell-able, maybe only the old stuff.
I'm confused on how this constitutes pay to win? Do costumes play a role in PvP? Do they give stat boosts? Do the provide an unfair advantage against other players?
They said "Value Package, Outfits, Costumes and Pets ", which seems mostly cosmetic to me, in which case, welcome to free to play and buy to play MMOs!
If Value Packages provide some gear with BiS stats, THEN there's something to complain about. If not, then common, we're been over this forums. Stop it.
BiS slot gear can all be purchased via the marketplace or night vendor...hence $$$>silver>BiS gear - get it?
I'm confused on how this constitutes pay to win? Do costumes play a role in PvP? Do they give stat boosts? Do the provide an unfair advantage against other players?
They said "Value Package, Outfits, Costumes and Pets ", which seems mostly cosmetic to me, in which case, welcome to free to play and buy to play MMOs!
If Value Packages provide some gear with BiS stats, THEN there's something to complain about. If not, then common, we're been over this forums. Stop it.
BiS slot gear can all be purchased via the marketplace or night vendor...hence $$$>silver>BiS gear - get it?
Almost every game has this though.
I can't think of many MMO's where you can buy your way to BiS gear.
That's cuz you just dropped $29 on an outfit, right?
Actually I don't see the P2W aspect at all. I have to rethink things now, I may actually be tempted to try this one now that costumes don't cost two months premium for premium games.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
This is sad, While I was never super excited enough to buy this game, I did recognize it had a bigger polarization than most games. Meaning you either loved it or hated it. And those who loved it was still a substantial number. For those who had the game they loved.....I do feel bad as you lost your "place".
'J Geils Band - Centerfold' moment. I guess it really is all downhill from here
Aye. Thankfully, WoW:Legion comes soon, and the invasions start next week along with Demon Hunter. Blizzard never ever disappointed me that way. And they never will.
This said, there's a massive uprising on the BDO forums in the thread about that. Be sure to post your disagreement. It's NOT live yet. Maybe seeing it's not an uprising, but rather a major riot, they will change their mind?
oh look is that guy. hi there! guess whose are these words:
Amusing how those who actually play the game never use the cash hop, yet those who don't play but post misinformation all the time claim it's "P2W".
So I defended the game while it was not P2W. Now that the company totally changed their stance, I no longer defend it. Someone, call the police. This can't be tolerated, intelligent human beings changing their mind when the situation drastically changes.
Don't choke on that popcorn. Karma is a bitch, and same could happen to the next game you enjoy.
yeh internet is a bitch. hard to hide the bullshit.
(they totally changed their stance .... ha! ...)
Nope! you changed your stance when enough time has passed for you to finally get it.
look what I wrote in that thread not long ago (where you attacked me of not playing the game, not knowing what p2w is etc ...)
p.s To people that white knighted the exp gain on costumes. Well munchkins now with pets it is 19% and I am pretty sure they will give additional bonuses to cha-ching users. Just wait a mon.. ahem week or so.
So I defended the game while it was not P2W. Now that the company totally changed their stance, I no longer defend it. Someone, call the police. This can't be tolerated, intelligent human beings changing their mind when the situation drastically changes.
Don't choke on that popcorn. Karma is a bitch, and same could happen to the next game you enjoy.
In the same position, huge fan of the game, and now being let down by the company running it, its time to move on. Honestly, if this is how Asian games are run, then thats the last time i ever play one, lesson learned.
So I defended the game while it was not P2W. Now that the company totally changed their stance, I no longer defend it. Someone, call the police. This can't be tolerated, intelligent human beings changing their mind when the situation drastically changes.
Don't choke on that popcorn. Karma is a bitch, and same could happen to the next game you enjoy.
It DISGUSTS me when companies say we do this because we want it to be accessable to every player (Nice guy act) its a change that will make more sales happen because people want to get ingame currency this way..
Just say you add this to the game without the (WE DO THIS FOR YOU!!!) bullshit fk off.
That's cuz you just dropped $29 on an outfit, right?
Actually I don't see the P2W aspect at all. I have to rethink things now, I may actually be tempted to try this one now that costumes don't cost two months premium for premium games.
I'll be getting that 29 back and the rest of the 100 I spent on the game if the change goes through using a chargeback.
No, I'm upset because the game is amazing and they are planning on killing it...
That's cuz you just dropped $29 on an outfit, right?
Actually I don't see the P2W aspect at all. I have to rethink things now, I may actually be tempted to try this one now that costumes don't cost two months premium for premium games.
I'll be getting that 29 back and the rest of the 100 I spent on the game if the change goes through using a chargeback.
No, I'm upset because the game is amazing and they are planning on killing it...
Huge in game demonstration going on Croxus-velia c1 in Heidel right now.. seems to be happening in other regions too.. maybe there can be hope.
So I defended the game while it was not P2W. Now that the company totally changed their stance, I no longer defend it. Someone, call the police. This can't be tolerated, intelligent human beings changing their mind when the situation drastically changes.
Don't choke on that popcorn. Karma is a bitch, and same could happen to the next game you enjoy.
I have to agree here. Players did not implement the change. The publisher did.
So I defended the game while it was not P2W. Now that the company totally changed their stance, I no longer defend it. Someone, call the police. This can't be tolerated, intelligent human beings changing their mind when the situation drastically changes.
Don't choke on that popcorn. Karma is a bitch, and same could happen to the next game you enjoy.
Karma is natural. Imagine a game that was free and no money was required to play. In order for that to happen the world would be absent of money. I wonder if we would be playing games if there was no accomplishments.
After pondering this statement I had another thought. There are no accomplishments and its all just an illusion.
So I defended the game while it was not P2W. Now that the company totally changed their stance, I no longer defend it. Someone, call the police. This can't be tolerated, intelligent human beings changing their mind when the situation drastically changes.
Don't choke on that popcorn. Karma is a bitch, and same could happen to the next game you enjoy.
I have to agree here. Players did not implement the change. The publisher did.
Yes but smart players are capable of looking for patterns that are common in p2w games.
Looking for patterns in the data is a common way to solve a problem.
this is nothing new, look at swtor ALL ITEMS FROM CARTEL MARKET ARE TRADE-ABLE! so it is not as bad as people think, then again people complain about everything because they do not want others who can not afford to pay 30 bucks to have anything.
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this is nothing new, look at swtor ALL ITEMS FROM CARTEL MARKET ARE TRADE-ABLE! so it is not as bad as people think, then again people complain about everything because they do not want others who can not afford to pay 30 bucks to have anything.
The two games are completely different. The enchantment system in BDO alone allows a much more radical advantage by way of silver available.
When I make my cynical predictions, I do it because I am cynical and am simply stating things as I see them. When I had posted negative things about this game in the past. It wasn't because I wanted to see BDO fail. It's just how I viewed the state of the game.
I am never upset to be proven wrong when a game actually does well when I thought it wouldn't. I was wrong about GW2. I was on the fence with BDO in terms of admitting my 1st impressions were wrong and that the game. As I said above, I recognized this game had more of a following than many of the other Asian ports.
And now I am actually finding myself saddened by this announcement even though it justifies my early comments about "give it a few months, it will be totally P2W"
I would be happier to admit I was wrong as that would mean there would have been at least one more decent game on the market.
When I make my cynical predictions, I do it because I am cynical and am simply stating things as I see them. When I had posted negative things about this game in the past. It wasn't because I wanted to see BDO fail. It's just how I viewed the state of the game.
I am never upset to be proven wrong when a game actually does well when I thought it wouldn't. I was wrong about GW2. I was on the fence with BDO in terms of admitting my 1st impressions were wrong and that the game. As I said above, I recognized this game had more of a following than many of the other Asian ports.
And now I am actually finding myself saddened by this announcement even though it justifies my early comments about "give it a few months, it will be totally P2W"
I would be happier to admit I was wrong as that would mean there would have been at least one more decent game on the market.
Dude I wanted BDO to succeed. I loved the concept, top-notch graphics, combat .. almost everything but when they stared to put *controversial* items in the shop I knew no dev lip service would change the fact that they are going onto the path of a p2w game.
People defended the items with .. oh it is JUST that ... just 10%... just small bonus. Well the same people now "just" have a p2w game.
I'm confused on how this constitutes pay to win? Do costumes play a role in PvP? Do they give stat boosts? Do the provide an unfair advantage against other players?
They said "Value Package, Outfits, Costumes and Pets ", which seems mostly cosmetic to me, in which case, welcome to free to play and buy to play MMOs!
If Value Packages provide some gear with BiS stats, THEN there's something to complain about. If not, then common, we're been over this forums. Stop it.
BiS slot gear can all be purchased via the marketplace or night vendor...hence $$$>silver>BiS gear - get it?
Almost every game has this though.
I can't think of many MMO's where you can buy your way to BiS gear.
You know that almost every mmo has mercs, and most mmo games have cash shops right? Even XIV lets you sell cash shop items.
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Seems like it will take much longer than expected. Imo having this item I'm mentioning being able to be sold in the auction house would have been fine if they did some discounts on their store once in a while.
Well we shall see if they at least listen to the outcry. Imo not everything in the store should be sell-able, maybe only the old stuff.
I can't think of many MMO's where you can buy your way to BiS gear.
Actually I don't see the P2W aspect at all. I have to rethink things now, I may actually be tempted to try this one now that costumes don't cost two months premium for premium games.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
For those who had the game they loved.....I do feel bad as you lost your "place".
Amusing how those who actually play the game never use the cash hop, yet those who don't play but post misinformation all the time claim it's "P2W".
I just came back after finishing this:
(they totally changed their stance .... ha! ...)
Nope! you changed your stance when enough time has passed for you to finally get it.
look what I wrote in that thread not long ago (where you attacked me of not playing the game, not knowing what p2w is etc ...)
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/448055/i-finally-accepted-the-fact/p1
p.s To people that white knighted the exp gain on costumes. Well munchkins now with pets it is 19% and I am pretty sure they will give additional bonuses to cha-ching users. Just wait a mon.. ahem week or so.
Honestly, if this is how Asian games are run, then thats the last time i ever play one, lesson learned.
Just say you add this to the game without the (WE DO THIS FOR YOU!!!) bullshit fk off.
No, I'm upset because the game is amazing and they are planning on killing it...
maybe there can be hope.
After pondering this statement I had another thought. There are no accomplishments and its all just an illusion.
Looking for patterns in the data is a common way to solve a problem.
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The enchantment system in BDO alone allows a much more radical advantage by way of silver available.
I am never upset to be proven wrong when a game actually does well when I thought it wouldn't. I was wrong about GW2. I was on the fence with BDO in terms of admitting my 1st impressions were wrong and that the game. As I said above, I recognized this game had more of a following than many of the other Asian ports.
And now I am actually finding myself saddened by this announcement even though it justifies my early comments about "give it a few months, it will be totally P2W"
I would be happier to admit I was wrong as that would mean there would have been at least one more decent game on the market.
People defended the items with .. oh it is JUST that ... just 10%... just small bonus. Well the same people now "just" have a p2w game.