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This game is not for everyone.
It is open pvp, alot of people seem to be jumping on the DF waiting game recentely that i doubt ever played in a 24/7 open pvp environment with full loot and death penalties. Not to mention the amount of incentives Darkfall as in its design for conflict, limited resources that you need, limited clanstone spots that you want, territory you have to defend, in game freedom to fight for. Not to mention the cut throat politics.
All I am saying if you like to engage in PvP in your terms, in a controlled environment, ala DaoC, WoW or similar environments please approach this game with caution or at least consider opting for one of the many mainstream releases coming up.
Dont come to the Darkfall Forums or the community to bitch because you are being ganked 24/7, that you have been left broke, that you have been griefed and harassed, to ask for a more severe alignment system, for uber items or any other similar nonsense.
Remember there are other games out there for you, no need to whine about features in a game that is not the kind of game you will enjoy anyways.
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We're big boys and girls. I'm sure we'll adapt. But, thanks for the trollish warning.
Fenril is not a forum troll, he is a long standing member of the DF community.
It is likely he came over here, due to recent publicity on this site, to disprove alot of the misconceptions being tossed around. i.e WoW clone (which i have heard both on the forums and hype meter)
Also, I'd like to point out that not everyone will adapt. As stated, this game is NOT for everyone.
yeah, Fenril is just trying to stem the tide of people get the game not knowing what to expect. These people usually whine and whine and whine until the game is ruined.
The point that the poster 2 above this post was trying to make, isn't the message that Fenril is saying, it's the delivery of said message. Had he wrote his message explaining that the game is open pvp and posted a fair warning, fine.
Yet he decided to roll out into this abrasive, holier than thou, don't come to the official forums and complain crapfest.
I believe that's why that guy thought his message was trollish.
What an extroidinarily silly thread! I can't believe someone who actually would like to see this game launch is warning people to stay away. There are enough people losing interest in Darkfall and calling it vapourware... I wouldn't think you'd want to try and chase away any more of them. Most people on the intarweb can read, no? I should think they would be able to suss out the game style before they open their wallet. If they find they don't like it and decide to complain, well... that's life. The internet has to be the most complainiest place in the world, anyway.
Yay! I made up a new word!
The DF community has actually been increasingly zerg-rushed with newbies within the last year or so - quite dramatically, too. As in "forum registrations have more than doubled over the last eight months". You see way more 2005/2006 registrations on the official forums than you do 2001-2004 ones.
So yeah, this entire argument about "lots of people losing interest and calling it vapourware" is pretty fallacious. There may be people doing that, but there are more still who are taking up Darkfall as their personal MMO saviour.
Welp if you are dumb enough too just stay playing for hours while being griefed your a idiot.. and the controlled environment is lame.. i want somthing more along the lines that having a good guild actually means somthing.. ppl you can stand behind and backs you up.. everyone thinks this game will just be a nonstop killfest.. true there will be those that do.. but they will be --Evil allined and Kos too guards and players.. which would get pretty old.. you would have a rough time of it trying to kill the same person over and over.. bc fyi it is skill based.. so there might be a chance a new player could kill someone thats trying to kill them.. just maybe
ps- and i heard that the only death penalty is full loot /shrug
Originally posted by Teth
Originally posted by GuttsFenril is not a forum troll, he is a long standing member of the DF community.
This statement would be quite a bit more believable if Fenril wasn't currently serving a 30-day ban on both the official Darkfall forums and #darkfall on Stratics IRC.
Really Teth, how does that makes me lose credibility as if credibility matters, im not part of any fan site or community staff, just another fan.
And if these people read the posts in question they would find the troll argument a bit lacking im sure.
Perhaps my reasoning is based on a fallacy NOW or will be at some point in the future, but it wasn't always and I don't really think it is now. I have seen a lot of negative posts regarding the future of DFO in the past year or so. I'm not even sure how you can claim there are "more still who are taking up Darkfall as their personal MMO saviour" than there are people wandering off. How can you know that for sure? You are just observing the same as I am.
You can debate the fallacies my post is based on when the game gets published and people buy and play it, I guess. Until then, your argument holds as much water as those who cry vapourware, no? I know I'd be thrilled for my point to be proven wrong. I don't like seeing smaller, less funded independant development teams fail and their hard work go down the drain. I'd love to see them become a HUGE success and the GINORMOUS companies such as SOE and Blizzard taken down a peg or two.
My only real point was that lets not chase off potential customers with unnecessary warnings... I think they need all the subscribers they can get. I should think we're on the same page with that, no?
If you were a regular at the DF forums you wouldn't be saying that. This game has gained a huge amount of players to its fanbase in the past 4 months. As well as having a strong persistent community from before this current influx.
When this game is released, it will have plenty of subscribers. Sure it might not be 4 million, but it will surely be successful. It brings to the table a completely different and probably much more satisfying product then everything else coming out right now. That enough will draw in tons of players into a growing industry.
Good, I'm glad and I hope it does well. I followed the game for ages before I wandered off. A lot of those I knew from SB also gave up. I have a friend who I used to game with in SB, who's a really nice bloke and is still very involved with DFO. I was still interested over 2 years ago in spite of the lack of forum activity back then, but at least I was still reading interviews with Claus (who I think is very, very cool) and then things sort of dried up even in that department. Please don't blame people for not knowing what the heck was going on... any bits of info were really few and far between for rather long periods of time.
It's nice to know things are picking up again. If the game still looks good, and the features are somewhat similar to the published overview, then those SB people and a lot of others could turn their attention to DFO again. I mean, really... look at the state of PvP in games out now and the games coming out in the near future... if they have PvP at all, that is. Those have nothing like the PvP most of us from SB are looking for. They have sort of PvP-lite... no taste, less filling.
The open PvP enviroment has actually brought in more hardcore UO verterans then carebears, from what I can gather. But nonetheless, every single hardcore PvPer may be needed to defend Darkfall from the influx of carebears. We must swiftly and mercilessly forum-execute the carebears before they can harm the Darkfall community. This is [i]OUR[i/] game, and the PvE-ers should know it.
Im not anti social, im just pro solitude!
First i understand fenril why he makes this topic these days so many play mmorpgs and so many becouse of wow now think there pvp players MAUAHAHAHAHAHA:p
So he is offcorse affraid that all those so called pvp players come to darkfall and then see how hard it is and start whining ingame and on forums.
But to reply to you, i dont care what others try to say about DF, true hardcore pvpers know what this game is and dont listend to these silly CAREBEARS, like me i dont give shit what carebears or fake wow pvpers say:P
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I believe that's what they call "Total Ownage."
I always know what sort of post to expect from a person whose self-written biography in its entirety reads: "pvp."
well let me start off saying I come from Carebear country (SWG)...the pvp was good back in the day but now has disappeared thanks to the crack masters(SOE)...anyhow seeing the OP I am now Inclined to Play Darkfall with a different attitude than before...basicly I liked the crafting aspect of this game but will definately go a different route and make sure I have an evil account following this guy around
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but seriously Warning People of whats to come is a good idea...and his attitude will just bring in more of what he wants PVP Minded ppl...just hope he understands he will also bring in more that will be gunning for him...
as for myself I will just defend whats mine and my family and if you do so happen to go after it you better be one helluva prepared team...you will have a fight ahead of ya!
We have enough Youth, How about a Fountain of Intelligence?
oh yeah btw I only came onto Darkfall this past couple of weeks and was sold on it by watching the community and how they have stuck by for so long...with a community like that I know that is where I want to play...
I will be bringing a bunch of my friends over and we are going over what we want to do within Darkfall...we are branched out amongst other games right now but have decided that Darkfall will be our new game since SOE Sucks!!!
We have enough Youth, How about a Fountain of Intelligence?
Heh, I think Fenril was trying to use reverse psychology
Its so simple nobody force anybody to play a open PVP game.
All are free to play DFO true but dont come to forums whine about gankfest killfest or whatever.
Darkfall will be very hard open pvp world survival of fittest if you cant take that as fenril said go play WoW or some other carebear game.
Im btw not always agree with fenril but thats another matter:P
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Just started checking out Darkfall. THe ideas look very good especially now that SB and Wolfpack are on the way out. I like the idea of conducting PvP, GvG,RvR for a reason (land, resources etc.) I will be following Darkfall from now on. Thanks for the heads up.
BTW My english must be getting worse, because with some of these posts Im having a hard time understanding. Must have been all those days roleplaying my Ogre Shadowknight (EQ), Half-Giant Barbarian (SB) and Troll Warrior (DAoC).
This all being said, Fenril is pretty much always wrong when he posts and this is true again this time. Darkfall imo is for pretty much everyone over 18. He is of the opinion that it will be one huge kill fest in DFO, well perhaps that is true for the Alfar starting island but other then that I highly doubt it.
The thing is when you increase the risks for farmers you also increase the risks for the pkers. Also don’t forget that there are no levels in DFO so a pker wont be able to just hunt lowbies like they do in all other games. And the full loot works to the gankers disadvantage as well. Also not so many people will want to become evil alignment so among the humans, elves and dwarves it will most likely be pretty peaceful, except for the odd Alfar that strays into our homeland and gets himself killed. Don't forget either Fenril how very far away you start from the other races. And the people you kill wont take them long to return with friends, they kill you and you have gained nothing there are no quick recalls to sell and return for more killing.
No pk will not be as common as people like Fenril like to think. The realistic consequences of Darkfall will make people think once and twice before killing just anyone. I believe the Anti pkers will have the most fun. Guarding pve famers and when they get attacked by fenril lol they fenril and oh who gained from that if not the anti pker? Thanks for the gear now you can replace that and start your 1 hour journey over again, after you get yourself another horse while I ride yours.
All the game mechanics put in place in Darkfall that didnt exist in Shadowbane will lessen the pking compared to Shadowbane. I believe we will see much much less grefing and much much more kingdom warfare and RvR compared to Shadowbane. The reasourse nodes will be in the center of the pvp not ganking.
Naw my prediction is that the Alfar will run around killing each other while the rest of the world builds the kingdoms.
So my opinion is please everyone open your minds and read, sign up, darkfall is for everyone, you might just not know it yet.
I am sorry but that is just laughable. The antis dominating an open pvp game with full loot and no safe zones? What other open pvp games did you play exactly, I understand none and if you did it was not for long.
The alignment WOULD only apply to the npc capitols, yes those and silvertown, but thats just the early game, when the politics come in it will be the *gasp* "evil" pk or rpk or warriors or however you call them clans vying for supremacy before the game dies out as usual. Laws have to be imposed by force, and quite frankly the antis impose absolutely nothing besides ocasional zergs with poor results.
Even the races are partially secondary, if anything the alfar will be more tight amongst themselves since they have all the other races as potential enemies and targets.
If you werent an idiot you would realize limited resources and clanstone control stimulates chaotic conflict and not orderly kingdoms were peace and secheduled clan wars adbound.
In the the early days especially EVERY faction will experience major early strife, anyone who isnt an idiot realizes this.
But then again this is pointless is not like DF is coming out before 2010 or at all.
I am sorry but that is just laughable. The antis dominating an open pvp game with full loot and no safe zones? What other open pvp games did you play exactly, I understand none and if you did it was not for long.
The alignment WOULD only apply to the npc capitols, yes those and silvertown, but thats just the early game, when the politics come in it will be the *gasp* "evil" pk or rpk or warriors or however you call them clans vying for supremacy before the game dies out as usual. Laws have to be imposed by force, and quite frankly the antis impose absolutely nothing besides ocasional zergs with poor results.
Even the races are partially secondary, if anything the alfar will be more tight amongst themselves since they have all the other races as potential enemies and targets.
If you werent an idiot you would realize limited resources and clanstone control stimulates chaotic conflict and not orderly kingdoms were peace and secheduled clan wars adbound.
In the the early days especially EVERY faction will experience major early strife, anyone who isnt an idiot realizes this.
But then again this is pointless is not like DF is coming out before 2010 or at all.
LMAO you have no clue what darkfall will be and what devs making of it this game will so much more then pk that will rule this game pls go read up lore:P
And im sure many will play darkfall and not only think its brainless hack and slash fest like almost all pk want:P
If majority like 80% will be pk then avarage age will be 12 years old becouse most pk are kids who think pk is show others how mature and big tough guy they are:P
and i dont think that will be case many mature will play it.
And what games you have played ive always have great time as anti and never had feeling i was losing agains pk lol.
Yes when game is one big pk fest game will not last 2 years and you can blame that pk becouse there mostly not smartest around oly thing they can come up with is KOS all.
But luckely devs know what there doing first its biggest world you will ever will be playing in untill now secondly there are so many posibillitys to play darkfall pk will have harder time survive then maybe anti:P
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