Like I said, i'm no where near being narrow minded.
but ya kind of are ... And regardless of how cute you try to be, you really can only accept your way of looking at things because there is no way it can be anything else.
So we are are right back at the start. Congratulations!
I supposed pretending everything is fine with the game as long as you are happy is not the definition of denial for you then. Talk about being narrow minded.
Grats, you are happy man who refuses to look at the big picture.
The game is no more heading toward impending doom than Arche Age did. It will just wind down to have it's core group of people like any game before it. That is, as I see it, the big picture. It's business as usual with modern mmo's.
Though that is just one massive assumption. The game is now tagged and associated with P2W. Regardless, on the technicality on what P2W is in this game. Though i agree it is still technically P2Advantages ^ (roll up to my previous post), the gong of the P2W noise is extremely loud. P2W tag is not being treated kindly on western market, mainstream wise. And that vocal view will not change as long as the decision stand. Being tagged as P2W is not business as usual. It will hurt the game. The game is not going to dwindle down in normal way like an aging mmorpg. GW2 is dwindling down normally, BDO won't get that luxury being viewed as P2W.
Like I said, i'm no where near being narrow minded.
but ya kind of are ... And regardless of how cute you try to be, you really can only accept your way of looking at things because there is no way it can be anything else.
So we are are right back at the start. Congratulations!
I supposed pretending everything is fine with the game as long as you are happy is not the definition of denial for you then. Talk about being narrow minded.
Grats, you are happy man who refuses to look at the big picture.
The game is no more heading toward impending doom than Arche Age did. It will just wind down to have it's core group of people like any game before it. That is, as I see it, the big picture. It's business as usual with modern mmo's.
Though that is just one massive assumption. The game is now tagged and associated with P2W. Regardless, on the technicality on what P2W is in this game. Though i agree it is still technically P2Advantages ^ (roll up to my previous post), the gong of the P2W noise is extremely loud. P2W tag is not being treated kindly on western market, mainstream wise. And that vocal view will not change as long as the decision stand. Being tagged as P2W is not business as usual. It will hurt the game. The game is not going to dwindle down in normal way.
Well, we'll see. I can't disagree about the "pay to win" tag as that feels like a Scarlet Letter. Having said that, I wonder how much of this really isn't just a "tempest in a teapot" and that it was a small amount of people who reacted and possibly left but that a good amount of the player base is just shrugging its shoulders.
Archeage also had a p2w tag and it's chugging along with a community. I think any person who is interested in Black Desert will look into it instead of just assuming that a forum is correct and they will make up their minds for themselves. On either side of the coin.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Like I said, i'm no where near being narrow minded.
but ya kind of are ... And regardless of how cute you try to be, you really can only accept your way of looking at things because there is no way it can be anything else.
So we are are right back at the start. Congratulations!
I supposed pretending everything is fine with the game as long as you are happy is not the definition of denial for you then. Talk about being narrow minded.
Grats, you are happy man who refuses to look at the big picture.
The game is no more heading toward impending doom than Arche Age did. It will just wind down to have it's core group of people like any game before it. That is, as I see it, the big picture. It's business as usual with modern mmo's.
Though that is just one massive assumption. The game is now tagged and associated with P2W. Regardless, on the technicality on what P2W is in this game. Though i agree it is still technically P2Advantages ^ (roll up to my previous post), the gong of the P2W noise is extremely loud. P2W tag is not being treated kindly on western market, mainstream wise. And that vocal view will not change as long as the decision stand. Being tagged as P2W is not business as usual. It will hurt the game. The game is not going to dwindle down in normal way.
Well, we'll see. I can't disagree about the "pay to win" tag as that feels like a Scarlet Letter. Having said that, I wonder how much of this really isn't just a "tempest in a teapot" and that it was a small amount of people who reacted and possibly left but that a good amount of the player base is just shrugging its shoulders.
Archeage also had a p2w tag and it's chugging along with a community. I think any person who is interested in Black Desert will look into it instead of just assuming that a forum is correct and they will make up their minds for themselves. On either side of the coin.
We live in a social media age. It's going to be very hard to shake off that P2W tag. It's true, ppl who want to try will try. And yet it's true too ppl will just refuse to look at it with matter of principle by looking at P2W tag. It hurts, the dwindle down isn't going to be anywhere normal and potential new player base gonna shrink. The game had so much potential, it just sad. One thing i feel they trully lied about this game though, that they will hear us and customized it for western needs. It's just somewhere near to being copy paste in reality.
Like I said, i'm no where near being narrow minded.
but ya kind of are ... And regardless of how cute you try to be, you really can only accept your way of looking at things because there is no way it can be anything else.
So we are are right back at the start. Congratulations!
I supposed pretending everything is fine with the game as long as you are happy is not the definition of denial for you then. Talk about being narrow minded.
Grats, you are happy man who refuses to look at the big picture.
The game is no more heading toward impending doom than Arche Age did. It will just wind down to have it's core group of people like any game before it. That is, as I see it, the big picture. It's business as usual with modern mmo's.
Though that is just one massive assumption. The game is now tagged and associated with P2W. Regardless, on the technicality on what P2W is in this game. Though i agree it is still technically P2Advantages ^ (roll up to my previous post), the gong of the P2W noise is extremely loud. P2W tag is not being treated kindly on western market, mainstream wise. And that vocal view will not change as long as the decision stand. Being tagged as P2W is not business as usual. It will hurt the game. The game is not going to dwindle down in normal way.
Well, we'll see. I can't disagree about the "pay to win" tag as that feels like a Scarlet Letter. Having said that, I wonder how much of this really isn't just a "tempest in a teapot" and that it was a small amount of people who reacted and possibly left but that a good amount of the player base is just shrugging its shoulders.
Archeage also had a p2w tag and it's chugging along with a community. I think any person who is interested in Black Desert will look into it instead of just assuming that a forum is correct and they will make up their minds for themselves. On either side of the coin.
We live in a social media age. It's going to be very hard to shake off that P2W tag. It's true, ppl who want to try will try. And yet it's true too ppl will just refuse to look at it from the matter of principle by looking at P2W tag. It hurts, the dwindle down isn't going to be anywhere normal and potential new player base gonna shrink. The game had so much potential, it just sad. One thing i feel they trully lied about this game though, that they will hear us and customized it for western needs. It's just somewhere near to being copy paste in reality.
Yeah but you know there is a truth in "the only bad publicity is no publicity".
If anything people will be more curious because of the drama and they will look into the game just out of curiosity and then make up their own minds.
Whenever I see an eastern company say that they will change the game for western audiences I always assume that means that they will keep their core monetization but let it bend a bit to make it more palatable to western audiences.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Like I said, i'm no where near being narrow minded.
but ya kind of are ... And regardless of how cute you try to be, you really can only accept your way of looking at things because there is no way it can be anything else.
So we are are right back at the start. Congratulations!
I supposed pretending everything is fine with the game as long as you are happy is not the definition of denial for you then. Talk about being narrow minded.
Grats, you are happy man who refuses to look at the big picture.
The game is no more heading toward impending doom than Arche Age did. It will just wind down to have it's core group of people like any game before it. That is, as I see it, the big picture. It's business as usual with modern mmo's.
Though that is just one massive assumption. The game is now tagged and associated with P2W. Regardless, on the technicality on what P2W is in this game. Though i agree it is still technically P2Advantages ^ (roll up to my previous post), the gong of the P2W noise is extremely loud. P2W tag is not being treated kindly on western market, mainstream wise. And that vocal view will not change as long as the decision stand. Being tagged as P2W is not business as usual. It will hurt the game. The game is not going to dwindle down in normal way.
Well, we'll see. I can't disagree about the "pay to win" tag as that feels like a Scarlet Letter. Having said that, I wonder how much of this really isn't just a "tempest in a teapot" and that it was a small amount of people who reacted and possibly left but that a good amount of the player base is just shrugging its shoulders.
Archeage also had a p2w tag and it's chugging along with a community. I think any person who is interested in Black Desert will look into it instead of just assuming that a forum is correct and they will make up their minds for themselves. On either side of the coin.
We live in a social media age. It's going to be very hard to shake off that P2W tag. It's true, ppl who want to try will try. And yet it's true too ppl will just refuse to look at it from the matter of principle by looking at P2W tag. It hurts, the dwindle down isn't going to be anywhere normal and potential new player base gonna shrink. The game had so much potential, it just sad. One thing i feel they trully lied about this game though, that they will hear us and customized it for western needs. It's just somewhere near to being copy paste in reality.
Yeah but you know there is a truth in "the only bad publicity is no publicity".
If anything people will be more curious because of the drama and they will look into the game just out of curiosity and then make up their own minds.
Whenever I see an eastern company say that they will change the game for western audiences I always assume that means that they will keep their core monetization but let it bend a bit to make it more palatable to western audiences.
The problem is the drama will quiet down once players moving on for good. It will leave massive P2W tag scar for life. In long term it will hurt being P2W tagged. The information and discussions will be scattered here and there (not many in BDO official forum though, censor), not many will seriously goes through them once the next shiny mmorpg comes along.
The sad fact is for every forum rage quitter and content creator there are a dozen idiots who spend money on these models. Until there is a concerted movement (which there never will be) by the entire gaming community to reject these types of models they are here to stay.
I don't care what others define as P2W; to ME BDO has become P2W and I don't play it any more.
Which is a reasonable attitude.
Saying "They lied, they never said it would be P2W and now it is" is not reasonable, especially when they suggested that they might allow people to sell cash shop items in game before launch.
I don't care what others define as P2W; to ME BDO has become P2W and I don't play it any more.
It's become pay to play like every other game....time to start smelling the roses folks it cost $250+ dollars a year to play WoW in 2004 ,,,it's going to cost $500 dollars a year to play a good mmo in 2016 .
I don't care what others define as P2W; to ME BDO has become P2W and I don't play it any more.
It's become pay to play like every other game....time to start smelling the roses folks it cost $250+ dollars a year to play WoW in 2004 ,,,it's going to cost $500 dollars a year to play a good mmo in 2016 .
How does it cost $250? It's like $160 if you buy a 6 month sub, 180 if you sub monthly. If you want to include the price of an expansion every 2 years it's still not more than $200/yr. Why do people feel the need to exaggerate everything?
It was all a bunch of cry about nothing, still is for some. I for one love the game, I will continue to play the game. If you don't like it, find a game you like. I had to to this with all the other crap out there, you can do it with this game.
I can keep repeating it but it seems that the only way you are going to understand is with pictures.
Different people interface with these games differently. You can either ignore that or accept it.
People leave mmo's all the time and people leaving this particular game because of x, y or z reasons is inevitable.
It just sounds to me like you are saying that the people who left over this are so special that the game can't live on without them.
And I think it will. Oh sure, less population but those left will be the players who are engaged and somehow we will live without you.
And I'll say this again, saying it won't affect your gameplay, it's plain denial.
Have fun with your farming spot. That's one of the interface you gave example for this argument, you being happy alone killing/farming. I'm glad for you.
Yah ppl who gonna stay will stay, it doesn't change the fact the game's health will go south. Look at game like Warhammer Online. I'm sure plenty of ppl stayed till very end. I'm not saying BDO will head WHO route. Heading South is South.
Pretending everything won't change is just plain denial.
No one ever said things wouldn't change. Heck, I've said over and over that people will leave for a variety of reasons. there are very few games that don't have people leave for one reason or another.
What people are saying is that the seemingly "few" people who have left over this haven't affected their game play in the negative. If you don't want to accept that this is the case (your lovely word "denial") that is your affair.
Otherwise it feels a bit like a temper tantrum "oh, we'll show them, we'll leave and they will be sorry".
Well ultimately I believe this will back fire on PA. I do not think they will make more money as too many people have said that they are done forking over the cash. Whether they quit or not doesn't really matter. Without cash PA will stop development and then we will see how much everyone cares about this backlash. We will see.
It's a good thing people don't do business based on forum anecdotes.
Don t worry PinoX, the next comment will be that Sovrath has 20K plus posts, so he knows all, you know nothing.
Anyone thinking this game isn t taking a turn for the worse is in huge denial, even if they won t admit it.
lol "no" I just like talkign about games and I type over 85 words per minute, and I'm an extrovert so "a lot of posts". Since my friends don't enjoy video games it's you lot.
Though in truth I do enjoy the people here and look forward, for the most part, in talking about games with them.
What the hell was that previous post? A reverse Ad-Hom?
Well ultimately I believe this will back fire on PA. I do not think they will make more money as too many people have said that they are done forking over the cash. Whether they quit or not doesn't really matter. Without cash PA will stop development and then we will see how much everyone cares about this backlash. We will see.
How is this going to backfire? Do you think they're just randomly doing this out of greed? The game is dying and they're exploring new models of monetization in order to keep the game profitable. They're not completely stupid. They were well aware of the shitstorm this announcement was going to cause. It probably will work out well enough and BDO will just go the route of AA with a niche population that keeps just enough updates coming out.
Oh right, that game I wasted $100 on because Daum totally ruined it with their ineptitude and incompetence, not to mention disrespect for the playerbase (including no east coast servers.. in an action game that relies on minimal latency).
Maybe I can ask them to refund part of my purchase (cash items I never redeemed or used).
Oh, wait, no, refunds were voided the instant we logged into the launcher. Silly me.
I've, like most people have played many mmo's with many different payment models. For myself, it doesn't matter to me what the payment model is or how a game gains revenue. If I like the game, that is all that matters to me.
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P2W tag is not being treated kindly on western market, mainstream wise.
And that vocal view will not change as long as the decision stand.
Being tagged as P2W is not business as usual. It will hurt the game. The game is not going to dwindle down in normal way like an aging mmorpg.
GW2 is dwindling down normally, BDO won't get that luxury being viewed as P2W.
Archeage also had a p2w tag and it's chugging along with a community. I think any person who is interested in Black Desert will look into it instead of just assuming that a forum is correct and they will make up their minds for themselves. On either side of the coin.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
It hurts, the dwindle down isn't going to be anywhere normal and potential new player base gonna shrink.
The game had so much potential, it just sad.
One thing i feel they trully lied about this game though, that they will hear us and customized it for western needs. It's just somewhere near to being copy paste in reality.
If anything people will be more curious because of the drama and they will look into the game just out of curiosity and then make up their own minds.
Whenever I see an eastern company say that they will change the game for western audiences I always assume that means that they will keep their core monetization but let it bend a bit to make it more palatable to western audiences.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
The information and discussions will be scattered here and there (not many in BDO official forum though, censor), not many will seriously goes through them once the next shiny mmorpg comes along.
Saying "They lied, they never said it would be P2W and now it is" is not reasonable, especially when they suggested that they might allow people to sell cash shop items in game before launch.
It's become pay to play like every other game....time to start smelling the roses folks it cost $250+ dollars a year to play WoW in 2004 ,,,it's going to cost $500 dollars a year to play a good mmo in 2016 .
It's pay to advantage, pay to look cool, pay to loot, pay to ghillie suit, pay for tears, pay to everything but not Pay to Win. Uh huh...
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/I wonder what's next .
It's a good thing people don't do business based on forum anecdotes.
A reverse Ad-Hom?
Oh right, that game I wasted $100 on because Daum totally ruined it with their ineptitude and incompetence, not to mention disrespect for the playerbase (including no east coast servers.. in an action game that relies on minimal latency).
Maybe I can ask them to refund part of my purchase (cash items I never redeemed or used).
Oh, wait, no, refunds were voided the instant we logged into the launcher. Silly me.