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reavo
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I found these revealing maps today. I think they say a lot. Be sure to scroll down past the first map that I'm sure everyone has already seen. Because it becomes apparent that all that red area is just wasteland.
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From what I've read about trends more people are moving to urban areas. There's a reason that the urban areas cringe away from the restrictive nature of the new Republican party. It's because folks living in urban areas get exposed to other people different than them and realize they're not monsters. They are also introduced to new ideas and realize it's okay to think outside the box.
It's going to be interesting how this trend towards urbanization effects elections in the future. It's my feeling that people are beginning to tire of the "christian" right.
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Good. It's about time people start moving away from the religious right. This "moral majority" and "party of God" seems pretty moral to me - republican lobbyists like Jack Abramhof breaking all sorts of laws, Scooter Libby revealing that CIA agents identity, false intelligence on Iraq, sanctioning torture, etc.
...Bunch of idiots...
I dig the Night Light map. I have a global one I got in a National Geographic.
As far as voting in America, it is beyond stupid. The major reason we haven't dropped the electoral college for the popular vote is because it gives an unfair advantage to the Democrat Party. I guess we don't want the party more people would vote for being in power, that would be unfair.
Also what the hell is up with 1 day voting? When the Iraqi polls were backed up they extended the voting. When the Haitian polls were backed up they extended the voting. But of course we can't do that. We also have to put 100 different questions and elections on the most important ballot in the country and maybe even in the world(to some degree) so that it takes everyone 5-10 minutes to vote instead of just 30 seconds if only the presidential election were included. They could do all the other crap the next day.
Then we use machines in the most important districts that were manufactured and run by a man who is on record as saying he would do anything in his power to help Bush win. What the hell is wrong with the paper ballots where you fill in the line pointing to your candidate? A very simple and almost tamper-less machine eats and counts the votes and if there is any questions you have easily readable records.
That is merely what the democrats would want you to believe. Only 3 times has a popular vote winner lost to an electoral vote winner. In 1876 Samuel J Tilden won the popular vote but lost the electoral to Rutherford B Hayes, the final outcome being decided by special election commission. In 1888 Grover Cleveland won the popular vote but lost the electoral to Benjamin Harrison. In 2000 Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the electoral to George W Bush. As a side note, in 1824 Andrew Jackson won the popular and electoral votes but still lost the election to John Quincy Adams after Congress had to decide the victor (it was a 4 man race and nobody had a majority in the electoral).
The Founding Fathers' reason for imposing an electoral was most definately to ensure their own form of "fairness", however saying that it was to maintain Republican competitiveness is too simplistic. Suffice to say that it is due to changes in the two party system, changes in the party demographics, and changes in party policy that leave Democrats to believe that they are the party of the majority. Unfortunately, this is not always the case.
America is weird.
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Actually the reason I put "fairness" in quotes above was because the electoral was put in place because the founding fathers did not trust the "common man" and also as a concession for the low population states. I was not saying it was fair, merely their own version of fairness given the political climate of the time.
Of significant note in electoral history is that the founding fathers did not intend the electoral to be a "winner take all" in each state. Their original vision was for each electorate to vote specifically their assigned population's wishes. You can blame the individual state legislatures of the 1820's and 1830's for coming up with our current version of the electoral college. In the modern age there are still many reasons to keep the electoral, just like there are reasons to move to a popular vote. IMO there is more need for reform of the voting process and congressional districting than there is for actually changing the entire system.
I meant wasteland as in voter population. Read the term in the context of the topic. If someone said that an area was a cultural wasteland would they be referring to how the environment in the area looked?
That was really rude what you said too. Is that the way that you compassionate conservatives try to get your point across?
And I'm not a liberal. I'm a Libertarian. The only non-braindead party left in this country.
Am I missing something here? It didn't come as a surprise to me that the less populated areas had fewer voters....
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ok..so i see every place i can safetly walk down the street is red, everywhere i cannot is blue.
whats the point?
Have you seen those t-shirts that the Republicans liked to wear right after the election? It showed all the counties that voted Republican in red and the ones that voted Democrat in blue. The area of red was greater than the area in blue. Therefore, they were trying to convince people that land mass was proof that the Republicans won.
See, apparently to them if you have a county with 20 people in a land mass of 200 sq/miles and another county with 2000 people in a land mass of 2 sq/miles the county with the most sq/miles wins the election.
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Apparently, you didn't see Brokeback Mountain.
I see the places I can walk down the street and be myself in blue, everywhere else I have to dress a certain way, talk a certain way, act a certain way, and think a certain way.
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Apparently, you didn't see Brokeback Mountain.
I see the places I can walk down the street and be myself in blue, everywhere else I have to dress a certain way, talk a certain way, act a certain way, and think a certain way.
Hmm, so you are telling me that everywhere you see blue on that map you can act yourself eh? So lets say you are from NYC, you are saying that you can go in the blue areas around, hmm Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles, St Louis, San Francisco, and Houston and just be yourself and you will be safe? Are you sure you want to make the statement about elsewhere having to "dress, talk, act, and think a certain way?"
Apparently you have spent too much time watching movies.
Honestly, that statement about blue / red being safer or more / less "free" is generally relative to those places where an individual feels most comforatable. In the back of everyone's minds, we know that within the US there are places that our individual taste, race, lifestyle, etc is more accepted than others. That does not mean that one area is more "free" than the other on the grand scheme IMO, just that it is more acceptable for ones chosen lifestyle. I am not saying that is the way it should be, just that is the way it seems to be.
Have you seen those t-shirts that the Republicans liked to wear right after the election? It showed all the counties that voted Republican in red and the ones that voted Democrat in blue. The area of red was greater than the area in blue. Therefore, they were trying to convince people that land mass was proof that the Republicans won.
See, apparently to them if you have a county with 20 people in a land mass of 200 sq/miles and another county with 2000 people in a land mass of 2 sq/miles the county with the most sq/miles wins the election.
That's how the voting breakdown looks after every election I can remember. I just thought people were smart enough to realize that the southwest wasn't as populated as NYC.
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Nothing new to me. People move away to more populated area's all the time only to find it just as miserable as their old one horse towns. Some call it the big stinky urban area's that is.
It's been known for ages that california and New York are filled with crazy left wing nuts. And, a scientific study showed people that live in urban cities die faster then people in rural towns. So, they usually commute to the cities.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
06.03.29
Suffrage, the civil right to vote
Universal sufferage w/o distinction to race, sex, belief or social status, New Zealand was first in 1893 followed by the land of british criminals, Australia 1894; Finland in 1906 was the first euro.
Notice young people under the "voting AGE " make up 25 to 50 % of the population in some countries. This "age" usually ranges 15 to 21 years old.
US:
1868, 14th amendment ratified, citizens and voters as MALE.
1870, 15th enfranchised black MALES
1878, 19th amendment feMALE suffrage into congress, 1919 wording unchanged passes both houses, 26 Aug 1920 ratified... only took FOURTY TWO years !! or 428yrs from whites first on 'America.' Meanwhile +90% of the native population had been exterminated through US gov't sanctioned genocide!
1923 ERA eliminate discrimination based on gender never ratified.
1935 FDR's $0.25 per hour minimum wage under the National Recovery Act (NRA) struck down by the supreme court (so much for freeing the wage SLAVES )
1938 the Minimum Wage ($0.25) reinstated, Fair Labor Standards Act
1968 minimum wage based on real spending power vs poverty level
And what was the result?
Prohibition
WW1
WW2
Not a total victory in Korea
Deafeat in Vietnam
Puss-War 1
Gulf-War 2 to soon turn into a defeat because of the wussie left.
Ahh, lovely hyperbole.
People don't vote because both parties are sell-outs. This may be hard for the Republican and Democratic lock-steppers, but the fact is the Democratic party is the appeasement party where nobody should be offended. As a result, illegal immigration continues, racial profiling isn't standard procedure at airports (screeners like to check 80-year old women to prove how Politically Correct they are), and crosses are snapped off of veteran war memorials. Democrats envision a socialist revolution to bring us into the new world order, where the Hauge decides what your sovereign country can and cannot do. The Republican party is the lesser of two evils, but nonetheless very evil. They are perhaps more responsible for the MEXICANS waving the MEXICAN FLAG in Los Angeles with posters saying "this is our continent" than the Democrats. They would sell thier own mother down the road for another buck while outsourcing american jobs to China etc. The sooner the public realizes that both parties are corrupt and need to be thrown out of office, the sooner America can be saved.
As for Bhug, if America had not had it's Democratic revolution in the late 18th century, Europe would have taken much much longer to have their own Democratic revolution and your much coveted universal suffrage would probably still not have been achieved by present day. Before you post your ignorant anti-American statements, you should research how Democracy in America has spread to more than 100 countries worldwide and how you are not speaking German or Japanese because of the American sailors in the Pacific, the geniuses who developed the Atomic Bomb, and the American troops in Europe from 1944-1945.
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