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The rewards is the problem .

iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
edited August 2016 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
I have some talk with friends about pro-gaming . And they said e-sport .
Then we talk about how nowadays players earning money through online game . And how we made money in old MMORPG .

I admit that i used to RMT and know many other did it . Those memories is sweet , then we talk about how new MMORPG try to control the RMT , a little bitter . Some how we (my friends and i) feel like nowadays MMORPG don't give us enough reward .

I know it bad , but we used to talk about how much an item worth in cash and many other stuff .

We used to have a little party when a valuable items come . Now the items feel no value at all , something that not even worth to play .


RMT should be remove ? Or it's a part of natural of MMORPG ? a little question about MMORPG design logic .

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  • Draco18sDraco18s Member UncommonPosts: 8
    I don't know about MMOs, I don't play, but I did make a similar comparison to Pokemon Go a couple weeks back, in that I spend a lot of effort, time, and gas conquering pokemon gyms for a 10 cent reward (10 coins is approximately 10 cents--as the base premium purchase is 99 cents for 100 coins--and you get 10 coins per gym you have a pokemon in at the time you click the "claim" button, and can click the claim button once ever 21 hours).

    Essentially I'd be better off, economically, if I just paid Niantic a couple dollars rather than driving all over town, but that doing so is significantly less fun.  That is, if I'm doing it for the raw monetary value I'm losing, but if I pay for it, I'm skipping half the game.  It's a lose-lose scenario and that makes me sad.
  • OnigodOnigod Member UncommonPosts: 756
    PLEASE give me a SKILL based pvp game and allow me to duel/matchmake other players 1vs1 and wager real money,  the publisher could even take a cut from it.

    I wish games did this,  it probably does not exist because it is seen as a bad case of gambling which imo is not the case, but the GAMBLING cash shop is something that does not get a gambling label on the game.
  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    Onigod said:
    PLEASE give me a SKILL based pvp game and allow me to duel/matchmake other players 1vs1 and wager real money,  the publisher could even take a cut from it.
    Highly doubt you'll find something like that within an MMORPG. Where all class builds are equally viable against each other, 1v1. Unless your both playing the same build and wearing the same gear.

    As everyone would bet on the op class in the 1v1.

    You can make money if your good enough in PvP games that are more balanced and are decided on player skill. I'll be surprised if you saw it in an MMORPG.

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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Accounts used to be sold all the time back in the day because of how hard content was. Happened all the time in wow and FFXI
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Never got into making money in games, only the enjoyment in spending it.

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  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
    Draco18s said:
    I don't know about MMOs, I don't play, but I did make a similar comparison to Pokemon Go a couple weeks back, in that I spend a lot of effort, time, and gas conquering pokemon gyms for a 10 cent reward (10 coins is approximately 10 cents--as the base premium purchase is 99 cents for 100 coins--and you get 10 coins per gym you have a pokemon in at the time you click the "claim" button, and can click the claim button once ever 21 hours).

    Essentially I'd be better off, economically, if I just paid Niantic a couple dollars rather than driving all over town, but that doing so is significantly less fun.  That is, if I'm doing it for the raw monetary value I'm losing, but if I pay for it, I'm skipping half the game.  It's a lose-lose scenario and that makes me sad.
    Yup , most of game reward not worth time and effort .
    For example when i play singleplayer game , the game is reward itself . The price worth it .

    But nowadays online games pretty much down grade the in game reward . As you said , for selling stuffs , and most of the stuffs not worth it .

    And you can't trade , most of things have value because they can be trade , so most of the value lost with bind system .
  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
    Onigod said:
    PLEASE give me a SKILL based pvp game and allow me to duel/matchmake other players 1vs1 and wager real money,  the publisher could even take a cut from it.

    I wish games did this,  it probably does not exist because it is seen as a bad case of gambling which imo is not the case, but the GAMBLING cash shop is something that does not get a gambling label on the game.
    Haha , i also wish for a survival MMO game with gambling and cash reward . It give us reason to survival and to win .

    As for PVP gamble , i remember that some MOBA group (dota , dota2 , lol)  did gamble game betting money, online and offline . All online game with PVP have it dark side , though i pretty much in gray zone .

  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Onigod said:
    PLEASE give me a SKILL based pvp game and allow me to duel/matchmake other players 1vs1 and wager real money,  the publisher could even take a cut from it.

    I wish games did this,  it probably does not exist because it is seen as a bad case of gambling which imo is not the case, but the GAMBLING cash shop is something that does not get a gambling label on the game.
    You put real money behind a PVP wall and every wannabe be hacker and hack seller will butcher that game to nothing within a couple of months.

    I suggest you take a stab at fighting games to quench your thirst. Enter some tournaments, or do local money matches.

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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,033
    Albatroes said:
    Accounts used to be sold all the time back in the day because of how hard content was. Happened all the time in wow and FFXI
    WoWs content wasnt hard people were just lazy
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Albatroes said:
    Accounts used to be sold all the time back in the day because of how hard content was. Happened all the time in wow and FFXI
    WoWs content wasnt hard people were just lazy . Bored..
    Fixed.

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  • renstarensta Member RarePosts: 728
    edited August 2016
    Just organize your own pvp for money matches.... Bet with your friends....  Or a guild, it can simply be that if you don't pay up you get kicked....  On high stake beats people would put x value of ingame currency in the guild bank to make sure everyone pays up...  And if not, you at least get a nice chunk of ingame money.... 
    How to make sure no one cheats....  
    Each person has to stream his side on twitch.
    Or if you guys are betting 1,000$ both of you can drive to a local internet cafe ...  And all the other clan members in the area can join, ofc the winner will throw a little party, paying for all of the beer ect....  

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    Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
    Vardahoth said:
    One stupid thread after another. "mmorpg's shouldn't have level ups", "mmorpg's should not have rewards". Whats next?

    mmorpg's shouldn't have classes or stats?

    I'm going to just do what the rest of the rp audience did and exit this website.
    yup , stupid ... wait , did anyone said not have rewards ?
  • nerovergilnerovergil Member UncommonPosts: 680
    best reward is the game itself. are u happy playing the game?
  • Gamer54321Gamer54321 Member UncommonPosts: 452
    What is RMT? Real money trade?
  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
    best reward is the game itself. are u happy playing the game?
    Normal game , yes .
    MMORPG ? mostly no . Even though i may enjoy some parts of it , but most of the parts are tired to play .
    For example cut-scene , i have to skipped them to follow the party or some other reason .
    A lots of quest but most of them are filler with meeh story .

    I mean , if you dig it out , there maybe some gems , but most are dirt or stones .
  • AxehiltAxehilt Member RarePosts: 10,504
    When 99.9% of loot is shit, yeah you're gonna celebrate when a non-shit piece of gear drops.

    ...meanwhile you're playing a game where 99.9% of the rewards are shit.

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    edited September 2016
    DMKano said:
    Onigod said:
    PLEASE give me a SKILL based pvp game and allow me to duel/matchmake other players 1vs1 and wager real money,  the publisher could even take a cut from it.

    I wish games did this,  it probably does not exist because it is seen as a bad case of gambling which imo is not the case, but the GAMBLING cash shop is something that does not get a gambling label on the game.

    Because the cash shops in most games is not gambling. Why? In real gambling you gain RL cash for winning, opening cash shop lootboxes gets you no RL money.

    Remember gambling = winning real money
    I have to take issue with this.

    Gambling is all about risking not winning. 

    Your's is an absolute false proposition, a total Whitewash


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gamble

    Simple Definition of gamble

    • : to play a game in which you can win or lose money or possessions : to bet money or other valuable things

    • : to risk losing (an amount of money) in a game or bet

    • : to risk losing (something valuable or important) in order to do or achieve something


    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gambling

    1.
    the activity or practice of playing at a game ofchance for money or other stakes.
    2.
    the act or practice of risking the loss of somethingimportant by taking a chance or acting recklessly:

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  • AxehiltAxehilt Member RarePosts: 10,504
    laserit said:
    I have to take issue with this.

    Gambling is all about risking not winning. 

    Your's is an absolute false proposition, a total Whitewash


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gamble

    Simple Definition of gamble

    • : to play a game in which you can win or lose money or possessions : to bet money or other valuable things

    • : to risk losing (an amount of money) in a game or bet

    • : to risk losing (something valuable or important) in order to do or achieve something


    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gambling

    1.
    the activity or practice of playing at a game ofchance for money or other stakes.
    2.
    the act or practice of risking the loss of somethingimportant by taking a chance or acting recklessly:
    His is the legal definition, which is what was being discussed. 

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    edited September 2016
    Axehilt said:
    laserit said:
    I have to take issue with this.

    Gambling is all about risking not winning. 

    Your's is an absolute false proposition, a total Whitewash


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gamble

    Simple Definition of gamble

    • : to play a game in which you can win or lose money or possessions : to bet money or other valuable things

    • : to risk losing (an amount of money) in a game or bet

    • : to risk losing (something valuable or important) in order to do or achieve something


    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gambling

    1.
    the activity or practice of playing at a game ofchance for money or other stakes.
    2.
    the act or practice of risking the loss of somethingimportant by taking a chance or acting recklessly:
    His is the legal definition, which is what was being discussed. 
    Sorry but the definition is a little more complicated than that.

    Besides, legal definitions are never written in stone.

    Legal definitions are constantly amended  because of companies/people taking advantage of loopholes.

    It's only a matter of time before the legal definition is amended, because no matter how you want to slice it.... RNG loot boxes = gambling
    Post edited by laserit on

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  • AxehiltAxehilt Member RarePosts: 10,504
    laserit said:
    Sorry but the definition is a little more complicated than that.

    Besides, legal definitions are never written in stone.

    Legal definitions are constantly amended  because of companies/people taking advantage of loopholes.

    It's only a matter of time before the legal definition is amended, because no matter how you want to slice it.... RNG loot boxes = gambling
    At least you admit the legal definition is different, which is the current reality of the world we live in and precisely what he was referring to. 

    "What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver

  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    iixviiiix said:
    Vardahoth said:
    One stupid thread after another. "mmorpg's shouldn't have level ups", "mmorpg's should not have rewards". Whats next?

    mmorpg's shouldn't have classes or stats?

    I'm going to just do what the rest of the rp audience did and exit this website.
    yup , stupid ... wait , did anyone said not have rewards ?

    You wrote "rewards is the problem". Did you mean the problems with games? Did you mean YOUR PROBLEM is?  That latter one is owning that this is YOUR ISSUE not an issue with games.
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Axehilt said:
    laserit said:
    Sorry but the definition is a little more complicated than that.

    Besides, legal definitions are never written in stone.

    Legal definitions are constantly amended  because of companies/people taking advantage of loopholes.

    It's only a matter of time before the legal definition is amended, because no matter how you want to slice it.... RNG loot boxes = gambling
    At least you admit the legal definition is different, which is the current reality of the world we live in and precisely what he was referring to. 
    The current reality my friend is that this is the video gaming industry. Video gaming and children are not unlike bread and butter. They go hand in hand.

    IMHO your Industry is being very irresponsible and short sighted. Your incapable of regulating yourselves, so someone else is going to have to do it for you.

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