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Display Advice Wanted: 4K, nVidia DSR, 1080p, etc.

jpnolejpnole Member UncommonPosts: 1,698
edited September 2016 in Hardware
I have a 970 running a 23" 1080p monitor. I have budgeted $400+ for a GTX 1070 and will buy in the next 1-2 months (970 goes to my wife so she can play Sims 4 on overkill settings). What I want to do is upgrade my display, mostly in size but possibly in resolution as well.

I am considering this $250 super budget 43" 4K (6ms GTG) TV from Walmart (It occasionally drops to $230):

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sceptre-U435CV-U-43-4K-Ultra-HD-2160p-60Hz-LED-HDTV-4K-x-2K/46867816

It has mostly good reviews but I also understand its limitations: RBGW panel, chroma 4:2:0, borked firmware which resets to default on power cycle (Sceptre will not release new firmware for this model as this particular TV is a Walmart bestseller due to low price). For every person who says they didn't like it as a PC monitor there are 2 or more reviews from people who do. The advantage with this TV is that it can double as a family room TV (we have a 65" LG in the living room) by using my old Roku 3 (yes I know it only supports 1080p playback) or possibly a future Roku 4. Being sold by Walmart, I can always return it if I don't like it.

My other idea is to go with a bigger 1080P display (32", 40", 43" or whatever) and make use of nVidia DSR to approximate the 4K experience. I game about 3 feet from my monitor now so that will likely not change. My budget for the display will be around $300 but will consider $400 if I can get a good recommendation on what to get. Whatever I do, I have to go bigger than my old 23" monitor and I'm not sure a 27" monitor will be enough! Thanks for your input.
 

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  • g0m0rrahg0m0rrah Member UncommonPosts: 325
    edited September 2016
    Im not understanding the point of going 4k.  I can see the point of 1440p and 1600p and I even like the idea of 21:9 monitors. I still can't understand 4k. As a monitor unless youre going huge and sitting close, why not just go 1440p. If you want a tv/monitor you are probably sitting so far away that 1080p looks good. 

     I have a roku 4 and it's nice except for the youtube app is complete and total shit. 4k is completely over rated and content seems far to limited for my liking. Can windows 10 even scale the font to see from 10 feet away on a 40 inch 4k?
  • jpnolejpnole Member UncommonPosts: 1,698
    edited September 2016
    Put simply I want a bigger display but I want to avoid staying at the same resolution. I've read that at a typical 2-3 foot desktop PC gaming distance a 1080P display quality "peaks" at 27" and going larger from that close will start to look worse. That's one reason why I mentioned DSR. I also am open to a 1440p monitor. I should have listed that as an option in the OP. I'm more concerned with how the display will perform from a PC gaming perspective than as a secondary TV.
  • g0m0rrahg0m0rrah Member UncommonPosts: 325
    I have an old qnix 27 inch 1440p and i love it. I have it over clocked to 96hz.  A lot of games push my r9 390 pretty hard and it isn't easy maintaining 60 + hz at ultra settings. It all depends on how close you sit and how fluid you want games to look. 
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    edited September 2016
    If you game at about 90 cm from your monitor, then 43 inch display is too large for you. Many people don't want to have monitor larger than 27 inch because it becomes too hard to watch the whole monitor at once. If you're sitting 90 cm away from the monitor, then you can go a bit larger than 27 inch, but don't buy a 43 inch monitor and try to view it at that distance.

    Either increase the viewing distance, or get a smaller monitor.


    Also forget DSR. 1080p monitor has only so many pixels, and each of those pixels can only display one color at a time. No trick done by your graphic card can make it magically display any more.

    DSR is evolution of trick that's also been called anti-aliasing, multisampling and supersampling, where your graphic card calculates the image at higher resolution to make the edges look better. It improves picture quality a lot, at the expense of graphic card having to do a lot more calculations, but it's always a lot worse solution than having a higher resolution monitor. Also every graphic card can do some version of that technique. DSR is just NVidia's latest evolution on how it's done.
     
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    edited September 2016
    A deal that looks too good to be true usually is. I would not spend under $400 for a 4k display currently. Cheaper ones typically come with trade-offs over a good 1080p or 1440p display. I also don't recommend a TV as a main display. That's a TN panel with a 6ms response time. You will get ghosting.

    It takes nearly 4 times as much computing power to render at 4k than to render at 1080p. The display will also be limited to 60hz. The advantage for a 4k display is that you can render at 1080p, with an even 4:1 pixel ratio. It will also give an anti-aliasing effect automatically through GPU scaling. The 1070 should be strong enough to play games on a QHD display.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    edited September 2016
    Well, for monitors - if it looks good to you, then that is all that really matters.

    Personally, I would take better color and image quality over higher resolution every time. 4K is cool and all, but right now I just don't think it's prime time, and in my opinion, your sacrificing a lot to get just that 4K buzzword.

    There is nothing wrong with 1080, and especially QHD. Personally, I look for a decent IPS panel with good color (to my eye, at any rate - a lot of "twitch" players prefer the faster TN panels, but they look washed out to my eye), and go from there. Shouldn't be hard to find several at or below your budget, you even have enough there to start stepping into GSync.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    HDR?

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • DeasantDeasant Member UncommonPosts: 198
    Ridelynn said:
    Well, for monitors - if it looks good to you, then that is all that really matters.

    Personally, I would take better color and image quality over higher resolution every time. 4K is cool and all, but right now I just don't think it's prime time, and in my opinion, your sacrificing a lot to get just that 4K buzzword.

    There is nothing wrong with 1080, and especially QHD. Personally, I look for a decent IPS panel with good color (to my eye, at any rate - a lot of "twitch" players prefer the faster TN panels, but they look washed out to my eye), and go from there. Shouldn't be hard to find several at or below your budget, you even have enough there to start stepping into GSync.
    If you like color and quality, why the hell did you get an IPS over a VA panel?

    4K is not a"buzzword", obviously spoken by someone without 4K. The only thing you "sacrifice" to achieve 4K is power consumption and heat production. Takes a LOT of GPU power to push 4K@60. And by A LOT, I mean FAR more than the Xbox Scorpio is going to have, lol.

    I have a 295X2 8GB and it can't come NEAR pushing 4K@60
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Deasant said:
    Ridelynn said:
    Well, for monitors - if it looks good to you, then that is all that really matters.

    Personally, I would take better color and image quality over higher resolution every time. 4K is cool and all, but right now I just don't think it's prime time, and in my opinion, your sacrificing a lot to get just that 4K buzzword.

    There is nothing wrong with 1080, and especially QHD. Personally, I look for a decent IPS panel with good color (to my eye, at any rate - a lot of "twitch" players prefer the faster TN panels, but they look washed out to my eye), and go from there. Shouldn't be hard to find several at or below your budget, you even have enough there to start stepping into GSync.
    If you like color and quality, why the hell did you get an IPS over a VA panel?

    4K is not a"buzzword", obviously spoken by someone without 4K. The only thing you "sacrifice" to achieve 4K is power consumption and heat production. Takes a LOT of GPU power to push 4K@60. And by A LOT, I mean FAR more than the Xbox Scorpio is going to have, lol.

    I have a 295X2 8GB and it can't come NEAR pushing 4K@60
    Because the IPS panel I looked at looked better than the VA panel I looked at. Maybe I didn't see every possible model of VA panel available, but I went off what looked good to me.
  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    I would go 4K just to get the HDR ( I am not aware of any plans for 1080p TVs to get it ).. That makes a really big difference.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    I don't know of any computer monitors with HDR support, yet.

    Even for TVs, HDR models start around $500 and go up quickly from there, as not all 4K TV's support hardware HDR. And your game has to support HDR. And you have to be using HDMI 2.0a (or better) to connect to that TV.

    So it may be awesome. But it's pretty limited, at least in my research to date.
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