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Dueling to the Death

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited September 2016 in News & Features Discussion

imageDueling to the Death

Dueling is coming with Update 12 along with One Tamriel and a plethora of other exciting features, all of which will be entirely free. However, let us focus on dueling. Dueling isn’t just about poking friends with pointed objects or hurling magical balls of energy at people, but that is a very fun aspect of it. It’s about character improvement and advancing your character in ways you probably would have never thought of.

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  • AlomarAlomar Member RarePosts: 1,299
    Dueling has long been wanted by a large portion of the pvp community, most of that community doesn't play anymore due to general Cyrodill pvp never being improved, balanced, significantly added on to, or lag being fixed. So while it's a shame ESO pvp will never reach the level of potential it had at launch, this is good news for those still sticking around.
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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    Really looking forward to this, I'll be coming back to ESO when the update goes live.
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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    "duel me bro" yeah don't miss that at all.

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,454
    edited September 2016
    We have come so far that reviewers presume players need to be told this is free. The assumption now is that any new content is via a cash shop. ESO stands out as one of those MMOs that is not yet a MMO Mall, but for how long as that's the way they all go?
  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,779
    They sure make dueling sound like more than it is.
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,407
    I used to get so fed up with the duel request had to get an auto decline in WoW before they let you opt out in the options.
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  • DreycraftDreycraft Member UncommonPosts: 107
    Nah, I don't care for dueling. And yes, this game is every bit as cookie-cutter as WoW, just in a different way. Sure you can sort of build any class you want, but you are still stuck with the abilities glued to the class you selected, you can just use any kind of armor/weapon. Even though you can do this, there are still the "correct" builds that players have already figured out do the best dmg, etc. and if you decide to rebel and not play it this way, you are chastised for playing it "wrong". ESO is still cookie-cutter, it's just been camouflaged to make you think you have ultimate customization options, but you don't. This is the main reason I quit playing. I'll give it another go with One Tamriel, but I don't expect I'll stay too long.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    I think you're over emphasizing the occasional good reason to duel as a learning and build tweaking tool. It has some limited worth in that respect but real PVP in Cyrodiil is very seldom (if ever) truly 1v1 with both players having an equal chance to get ready which is what dueling simulates.

    In every game I've ever played that has dueling it's mostly just a random annoyance right up there with random guild invites from strangers. I will have mine set to auto-decline routinely but unfortunately that won't be able to stop the visual and audio pollution that will be happening in every busy city probably right on top of your crafting table.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,068
    Iselin said:
    I think you're over emphasizing the occasional good reason to duel as a learning and build tweaking tool. It has some limited worth in that respect but real PVP in Cyrodiil is very seldom (if ever) truly 1v1 with both players having an equal chance to get ready which is what dueling simulates.

    In every game I've ever played that has dueling it's mostly just a random annoyance right up there with random guild invites from strangers. I will have mine set to auto-decline routinely but unfortunately that won't be able to stop the visual and audio pollution that will be happening in every busy city probably right on top of your crafting table.
    Exactly an issue I'm having in Albion Online, no auto decline for the dueling so you get annoying spams over and over, and worse, they come with a 'wager' attached, if you lose the fight, you lose the bet.

    Even when ignoring them, the nuisance of them right next to the inventory chest where everyone gathers is a inconvenience I could do without.


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  • winghaven1winghaven1 Member RarePosts: 745

    Dreycraft said:

    Nah, I don't care for dueling. And yes, this game is every bit as cookie-cutter as WoW, just in a different way. Sure you can sort of build any class you want, but you are still stuck with the abilities glued to the class you selected, you can just use any kind of armor/weapon. Even though you can do this, there are still the "correct" builds that players have already figured out do the best dmg, etc. and if you decide to rebel and not play it this way, you are chastised for playing it "wrong". ESO is still cookie-cutter, it's just been camouflaged to make you think you have ultimate customization options, but you don't. This is the main reason I quit playing. I'll give it another go with One Tamriel, but I don't expect I'll stay too long.



    There is always a cookie-cutter "best" tier top quality build in any video game so you are the one being delusional by thinking there's a game that has a perfect balance with the freedom of choice of your character concept/build. So just stop.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    That image with the duel and the snowy castle in the background is very nice!
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    I enjoy dueling when your just goofing around for fun with friends. I hate the spam associated with it.

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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,030
    You can play any way you want!.......unless you want to use a bow and no melee weapon.
    Oh! And the best way to play any mage if any kind is to run dual wield.
    Terrible choices and the reason I left.
  • ZardayneZardayne Member UncommonPosts: 66
    edited September 2016
    I stopped reading at "Elder Scrolls Online allows players to build their characters any way they want" as i realized this is a fan boy article. In the beginning when you could hybrid build you could get closer to "how you want". I'm sorry I've played them all and I've been playing ESO for over 2 years. I felt I had more choice in UO backin the day lol. They hyped that line to death before release. Truth is your pigeon holed into 4 classes with half of those unused because they're worthless along with the mage/fighters/undaunted/weapon skills. Of course depending on if your magic or stamina, half of those choices are wiped out. Either due to the skill sucking all together or if your magica, the magica morph sucks and the stamina rocks. Sure you can throw together a piece meal build and be a special snowflake but in reality you'll have to gravitate toward a more cookie cutter build that has been number crunched to death to either (1) carry your weight in a trail or dungeon group (2) survive in PVP. If all you do is play solo and kill mobs...build how you want because the pve is so easy, a gimped build might actually make the game challenging.

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  • ZardayneZardayne Member UncommonPosts: 66

    Kajidourden said:

    You can play any way you want!.......unless you want to use a bow and no melee weapon.

    Oh! And the best way to play any mage if any kind is to run dual wield.

    Terrible choices and the reason I left.



    Yea dual wield for more spell power for mages..makes a lot of sense..It's stuff like this that makes me scratch my head at Zenimax. Sometimes I wonder if they've even got a clue. Truth is there are quite a few things I really like about the game. Unfortunately after 2 years I found more I disliked.

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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    Kajidourden said:
    You can play any way you want!.......unless you want to use a bow and no melee weapon.
    Oh! And the best way to play any mage if any kind is to run dual wield.
    Terrible choices and the reason I left.
    I find this attitude bewildering. You can actually play with a bow and no melee weapon, and the best way to play a mage is ... anyway you feel like it. ESO has more choice in terms of character building than most other mmos and yet I often see it get criticised for lacking in this department, its very weird.


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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,454
    winghaven1 said:

    Dreycraft said:

    Nah, I don't care for dueling. And yes, this game is every bit as cookie-cutter as WoW, just in a different way. Sure you can sort of build any class you want, but you are still stuck with the abilities glued to the class you selected, you can just use any kind of armor/weapon. Even though you can do this, there are still the "correct" builds that players have already figured out do the best dmg, etc. and if you decide to rebel and not play it this way, you are chastised for playing it "wrong". ESO is still cookie-cutter, it's just been camouflaged to make you think you have ultimate customization options, but you don't. This is the main reason I quit playing. I'll give it another go with One Tamriel, but I don't expect I'll stay too long.



    There is always a cookie-cutter "best" tier top quality build in any video game so you are the one being delusional by thinking there's a game that has a perfect balance with the freedom of choice of your character concept/build. So just stop.

    You two need to enjoy baking more, alternatively only duel with those who don't have the best class for duelling. :D
  • aCi11i3saCi11i3s Member UncommonPosts: 54
    how about opening up that map (w real expansions), increasing the lvl cap, and giving me a reason to play again. PLZ!!! Or I could just relog and stand around in Mournhold again waiting to q up for some dungeon that Ive already done a thousand times. At least I could duel while waiting. Sigh
  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member RarePosts: 731
    ok. this whole entire article was on dueling, right? did we really need an article for that? ESO is adding dueling. there. i just said the same thing in fewer words. its just dueling. *yawn*
  • UnlocoUnloco Member UncommonPosts: 13
    I find it odd you're talking crap about WoW, then get all pumped about duels being added.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited September 2016
    You can play any way you want!.......unless you want to use a bow and no melee weapon.
    Oh! And the best way to play any mage if any kind is to run dual wield.
    Terrible choices and the reason I left.
    Of all the new weapon ultimates that are being added with One Tamriel the bow one is probably the most OP'd... followed by all the other weapons used in Stamina builds with Destro and Resto ultimates at the back of the pack.

    The fact that magicka builds can use DW passives to up the damage doesn't annoy me nearly as much as the fact that there is a horrible pro-stamina bias currently in the game with no end in sight.

    Just for fun I started a second low-level, no-CP sorcerer in the PTS. I went magicka this time instead of stamina. Despite the noticeable increased mob difficulty everywhere, my lowbee stamina sorc could breeze through it. Not so much the magicka sorc. Death and near-death is far more common with a magicka sorc the reason being that the stamina morph of Lightning form deals more damage and has a wider radius than the magicka one and one of the morphs of the first 2HD ability, Brawler, procs a damage shield based on how many it hits in addition to its AOE damage. And the medium armor of course also gives you near-heavy protection whereas the light armor mitigation was nerfed into the ground many patches ago.

    Solo leveling efficiency in ESO is all about handling packs of 3 or more mobs efficiently. Yeah the magicka sorc can eventually do that too but the stamina builds can do it from level 4.

    It's not just an end-game problem where Stamina DPS builds are far ahead of magicka builds with less effort, it's a problem throughout the whole game.
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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,030

    Iselin said:



    You can play any way you want!.......unless you want to use a bow and no melee weapon.

    Oh! And the best way to play any mage if any kind is to run dual wield.

    Terrible choices and the reason I left.


    Of all the new weapon ultimates that are being added with One Tamriel the bow one is probably the most OP'd... followed by all the other weapons used in Stamina builds with Destro and Resto ultimates at the back of the pack.

    The fact that magicka builds can use DW passives to up the damage doesn't annoy me nearly as much as the fact that there is a horrible pro-stamina bias currently in the game with no end in sight.

    Just for fun I started a second low-level, no-CP sorcerer in the PTS. I went magicka this time instead of stamina. Despite the noticeable increased mob difficulty everywhere, my lowbee stamina sorc could breeze through it. Not so much the magicka sorc. Death and near-death is far more common with a magicka sorc the reason being that the stamina morph of Lightning form deals more damage and has a wider radius than the magicka one and one of the morphs of the first 2HD ability, Brawler, procs a damage shield based on how many it hits in addition to its AOE damage. And the medium armor of course also gives you near-heavy protection whereas the light armor mitigation was nerfed into the ground many patches ago.

    Solo leveling efficiency in ESO is all about handling packs of 3 or more mobs efficiently. Yeah the magicka sorc can eventually do that too but the stamina builds can do it from level 4.

    It's not just an end-game problem where Stamina DPS builds are far ahead of magicka builds with less effort, it's a problem throughout the whole game.



    I haven't even seen the weapon ultimates. It's incredible the things zeni thinks are a good idea for skills, so I have little faith anything has improved with this addition.
  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,030

    YashaX said:


    Kajidourden said:

    You can play any way you want!.......unless you want to use a bow and no melee weapon.

    Oh! And the best way to play any mage if any kind is to run dual wield.

    Terrible choices and the reason I left.


    I find this attitude bewildering. You can actually play with a bow and no melee weapon, and the best way to play a mage is ... anyway you feel like it. ESO has more choice in terms of character building than most other mmos and yet I often see it get criticised for lacking in this department, its very weird.





    If you like running gimp builds, sure.
  • sacredfoolsacredfool Member UncommonPosts: 849

    YashaX said:


    Kajidourden said:

    You can play any way you want!.......unless you want to use a bow and no melee weapon.

    Oh! And the best way to play any mage if any kind is to run dual wield.

    Terrible choices and the reason I left.


    I find this attitude bewildering. You can actually play with a bow and no melee weapon, and the best way to play a mage is ... anyway you feel like it. ESO has more choice in terms of character building than most other mmos and yet I often see it get criticised for lacking in this department, its very weird.





    It's a well known fact and it's logical. The more freedom you give players the more people will use the most optimal cookie cutter build.

    The more competitive a player is the less choice he'll have even if presented with all the options. This is clearly visible in even in games with classes, for example in LoL eSports where pro's use maybe 20 out of 100+ champions.

    Seeing complaints like Kaji's is just proof that ESO does allow you to build the way you want. He fails to understand that "the way you want" means you are also given the CHOICE to play totally gimped characters. Playing the way you want doesn't mean all choices are equally viable.

    Kaji, my advice to you is to bring out your inner gimp and enjoy the choice you are given.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,068
    Kajidourden said:

    YashaX said:


    Kajidourden said:

    You can play any way you want!.......unless you want to use a bow and no melee weapon.

    Oh! And the best way to play any mage if any kind is to run dual wield.

    Terrible choices and the reason I left.


    I find this attitude bewildering. You can actually play with a bow and no melee weapon, and the best way to play a mage is ... anyway you feel like it. ESO has more choice in terms of character building than most other mmos and yet I often see it get criticised for lacking in this department, its very weird.





    If you like running gimp builds, sure.
    If you are overly concerned with this you are doing it wrong IMNHO. 

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