The game makes both my computers generate a loud grinding sound after playing it. I thought it was my old computer but then recently got a much better one and it does the same thing. I'm not sure if it's poorly optimized or what but the games that do the same thing are Marvel Heroes and Kings & Heroes. The sound ToS makes my computer make is much louder and grindier than the others though.
That sounds like a problem with your computer, not a problem with the game.
It does this on two different computers with different specs. The only similarity between them is that they both run Windows 10.
The game makes both my computers generate a loud grinding sound after playing it. I thought it was my old computer but then recently got a much better one and it does the same thing. I'm not sure if it's poorly optimized or what but the games that do the same thing are Marvel Heroes and Kings & Heroes. The sound ToS makes my computer make is much louder and grindier than the others though.
That sounds like a problem with your computer, not a problem with the game.
It does this on two different computers with different specs. The only similarity between them is that they both run Windows 10.
I'd have a look at fans, especially if you moved one fan from one computer to the other. That's the most likely culprit for a grinding sound. If it were a software problem, it would do it for everyone, not just you. And if other games did the same thing, the common factor is your particular computer.
The game makes both my computers generate a loud grinding sound after playing it. I thought it was my old computer but then recently got a much better one and it does the same thing. I'm not sure if it's poorly optimized or what but the games that do the same thing are Marvel Heroes and Kings & Heroes. The sound ToS makes my computer make is much louder and grindier than the others though.
That sounds like a problem with your computer, not a problem with the game.
It does this on two different computers with different specs. The only similarity between them is that they both run Windows 10.
I'd have a look at fans, especially if you moved one fan from one computer to the other. That's the most likely culprit for a grinding sound. If it were a software problem, it would do it for everyone, not just you. And if other games did the same thing, the common factor is your particular computer.
Here are both my computers. By looking at these do you see a reason why I should be experiencing the same problem on both of them?
The game makes both my computers generate a loud grinding sound after playing it. I thought it was my old computer but then recently got a much better one and it does the same thing. I'm not sure if it's poorly optimized or what but the games that do the same thing are Marvel Heroes and Kings & Heroes. The sound ToS makes my computer make is much louder and grindier than the others though.
That sounds like a problem with your computer, not a problem with the game.
It does this on two different computers with different specs. The only similarity between them is that they both run Windows 10.
I'd have a look at fans, especially if you moved one fan from one computer to the other. That's the most likely culprit for a grinding sound. If it were a software problem, it would do it for everyone, not just you. And if other games did the same thing, the common factor is your particular computer.
Here are both my computers. By looking at these do you see a reason why I should be experiencing the same problem on both of them?
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Power Supply: 600 Watt Corsair® SF600 � 80 PLUS® Gold Certified High Performance SFX PSU (psu-corsair-SF600)
Operating System Drive: [HDD] 1TB Seagate Desktop HDD 7200rpm 64MB Cache (SN-ST1000DM003 )
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Ethernet Adapter: On-board Gigabit Ethernet (nic-onboard)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit (os-windows-10)
And like I said in my original post the grinding sound comes after I log out mostly but once in while when I'm logged in but not often.
Thanks
Try listening to see where the grinding sound is coming from. At minimum, it should be easy to tell the difference between coming from your speakers (as it would if it's a software issue) and coming from your case (a hardware issue). If the latter, listen around and see if you can track down exactly what makes the noise.
I own this game, it isn't bad. I can say I haven't played it in a couple months now, so can't say how it may have changed.
The thing that drove me off was the low spawn rates of a lot of monsters and botters camping said monsters, because the grind is real in this game if you are trying to do the collections. I don't mind grinding to get things but when you have 10 other people in every channel attempting to grind the same mobs it gets old fast if they are not respawning fast enough. I remember the drop rate on one of the items needed when I first started was less that 1%. Some people where grinding for up to a month and not getting it.
Other than that the gameplay itself isn't bad at all. I enjoyed the classes and the difference between them. It is a game you will want to play with a controller though, feels like it was made for consoles in that respect. If you like grinders then this may be a game for you.
The problem with anime MMOs is that they look like they are made for children and it is hard to take them seriously.
Thinking like that is why animated porns sometimes end up in the childrens section, even large print on them that says things like "Princess Orgasmia in her sex odyssey across the galaxy"! By the way, that was on a real example I found in a video shop. The guy kept saying it was a cartoon and so it belonged in the kids section until I read it's cover to him very loudly so everyone in the shop could hear. He turned a rather vivid shade of red as he snatched it up and put it in the adult only section.
The game makes both my computers generate a loud grinding sound after playing it. I thought it was my old computer but then recently got a much better one and it does the same thing. I'm not sure if it's poorly optimized or what but the games that do the same thing are Marvel Heroes and Kings & Heroes. The sound ToS makes my computer make is much louder and grindier than the others though.
Do you have vsync on? It could be that your graphics card is rendering too many frames causing the card to overheat, which causes the fans to go much faster. If any of those games do not have the option to turn vsync on then you can download a frame rate limiter, fraps, or force vsync on using the software that comes with your cards drivers.
The game makes both my computers generate a loud grinding sound after playing it. I thought it was my old computer but then recently got a much better one and it does the same thing. I'm not sure if it's poorly optimized or what but the games that do the same thing are Marvel Heroes and Kings & Heroes. The sound ToS makes my computer make is much louder and grindier than the others though.
Do you have vsync on? It could be that your graphics card is rendering too many frames causing the card to overheat, which causes the fans to go much faster. If any of those games do not have the option to turn vsync on then you can download a frame rate limiter, fraps, or force vsync on using the software that comes with your cards drivers.
Malware springs to mind if happening on both of his computers but no other users are reporting the issue.
Gremlins or poltergeist would be my next guess, time to move.
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The game is dead because they limit you to 2 Dungeon runs per day. And 1 hour of pvp a day. It's a joke. mmorpgs need to learn from WoW if I want to run 50 dungeons a day I should be allowed to.
The game is dead because they limit you to 2 Dungeon runs per day. And 1 hour of pvp a day. It's a joke. mmorpgs need to learn from WoW if I want to run 50 dungeons a day I should be allowed to.
So your take is basically that any game with any sort of anti-farming code is dead?
The game is dead because they limit you to 2 Dungeon runs per day. And 1 hour of pvp a day. It's a joke. mmorpgs need to learn from WoW if I want to run 50 dungeons a day I should be allowed to.
So your take is basically that any game with any sort of anti-farming code is dead?
Most other MMOs are at least smart enough to monetize their anti-farming code.
Er, wait, lemme do this reply over.
Most other MMOs don't have anti-farming code that restricts you to about 30 minutes a day (10 minutes a day if you're just doing a boss rush)
Of course, dungeons aren't the only thing to the game. They are, however, the only thing when it comes to party play for the vast majority of the game (at least until the very end, but even then, the party play is more just to speed up the grind rather than to coordinate and team-up with people in any way that requires actual effort)
Truthfully though, limited dungeon runs are just one of ToS's many problems. Questing that becomes obscenely repetitive and boring the second time you go through it making levelling alts a real chore, horrible FPS rates for most people, bots everywhere clogging up prime farming spots, most grinding spots too overcrowded, monster spawn rates too slow, bugs, no class resets so if you make one mistake or an update comes along that screws up your build or makes it basically "that other new build over there does what your build does but better" the only option you have is to re-start a new character and slog through that boring grind with those insanely boring quests again, lack of decent customer support, updates way behind Korean updates, stupid trade restrictions that make things annoying as hell for players while achieving absolutely nothing against RMT, class-restricted costumes on gimmick costumes for no thematic reason (want to be a maid but aren't a cleric? Want the bunny suit but aren't a wizard? TOO BAD), ridiculously imbalanced PvP. horribly done stat system which leads to utterly bizarre scaling of skills and damage and stats, no particular end game besides repetively doing Earth Tower over and over and waiting for bosses on four hour timers hoping you make it within the top 5 damagers there to get any loot, and more!
The game is dead because they limit you to 2 Dungeon runs per day. And 1 hour of pvp a day. It's a joke. mmorpgs need to learn from WoW if I want to run 50 dungeons a day I should be allowed to.
So your take is basically that any game with any sort of anti-farming code is dead?
Most other MMOs are at least smart enough to monetize their anti-farming code.
Er, wait, lemme do this reply over.
Most other MMOs don't have anti-farming code that restricts you to about 30 minutes a day (10 minutes a day if you're just doing a boss rush)
Of course, dungeons aren't the only thing to the game. They are, however, the only thing when it comes to party play for the vast majority of the game (at least until the very end, but even then, the party play is more just to speed up the grind rather than to coordinate and team-up with people in any way that requires actual effort)
Truthfully though, limited dungeon runs are just one of ToS's many problems. Questing that becomes obscenely repetitive and boring the second time you go through it making levelling alts a real chore, horrible FPS rates for most people, bots everywhere clogging up prime farming spots, most grinding spots too overcrowded, monster spawn rates too slow, bugs, no class resets so if you make one mistake or an update comes along that screws up your build or makes it basically "that other new build over there does what your build does but better" the only option you have is to re-start a new character and slog through that boring grind with those insanely boring quests again, lack of decent customer support, updates way behind Korean updates, stupid trade restrictions that make things annoying as hell for players while achieving absolutely nothing against RMT, class-restricted costumes on gimmick costumes for no thematic reason (want to be a maid but aren't a cleric? Want the bunny suit but aren't a wizard? TOO BAD), ridiculously imbalanced PvP. horribly done stat system which leads to utterly bizarre scaling of skills and damage and stats, no particular end game besides repetively doing Earth Tower over and over and waiting for bosses on four hour timers hoping you make it within the top 5 damagers there to get any loot, and more!
The game is mostly about solo questing with pretty good action combat. If you don't like that, then Tree of Savior isn't for you.
Let's unpack your complaints a little more.
You complain that leveling alts is a pain. It's less so than in most MMORPGs, as the game goes out of its way to be alt-friendly. It has multiple starting areas so that you're not stuck on rails, easy sharing of gear with alts, team levels to speed up leveling alts, sharing pets with alts, and more.
I'm not sure what your "horrible FPS rates" complaint is about. Yeah, it's pretty bad in the center of Klaipeda, but that's a town so no one cares. Outside of towns, I mostly range from 60-140 frames per second at fairly high settings and a 4320x2560 resolution. Yes, a Fury X is a powerful card, but that's an awfully high resolution and my CPU is seven years old.
There are bots in a handful of places, but it's quite far from "bots everywhere". They ban bots daily and post a list of the bannings on their forums. The same is true of "overcrowding"; there are typically only a few people in a given channel of a given zone.
If you want to stand in one spot and wait for mobs to respawn there, then yeah, it will feel slow. But if that's what you do, you're doing it all wrong. Kill the mobs in one spot and move on to another where mobs are already up. I've done 45 zones so far, and waiting on Glizardons to spawn in the Tenet Church basement is the only one I've found annoyingly slow.
Yeah, the game has bugs. But not that many of them and not that severe as MMORPGs go. It's reasonably well polished.
No class resets is an issue. I'll concede that point, but they'll likely add a way to do a class reset eventually.
I haven't needed customer support yet, so I won't comment on its quality.
Yes, updates are behind the Korean version. So? They're coming.
How do you know that the trade restrictions do nothing against RMT? They don't shut it down entirely, but I'd bet that they make it a whole lot easier to combat. Two days to cancel an auction before its proceeds get diffused throughout the economy is a pretty powerful tool if you're inclined to attack RMT.
They want your look to uniquely identify your class, or at least your base class. You might disagree with that decision, but it is an actual reason for the costume restrictions.
I haven't tried the PVP, but I'd expect that it would be imbalanced. Welcome to MMORPGs. You should figure out that PVP is imbalanced sometime around the time you reach level 2 and are suddenly stronger than you were at level 1.
The stat system and scaling is perhaps unusual, making some low level skills remain useful forever while others are pretty much deprecated as you level away from them. But there are trade-offs between giving you varied build options and balancing everything well, and they decided to go more heavily for the former.
Rather than wasting a bunch of effort on letting you grind something stupid for an endgame, the model is to add a big new batch of real content for a new, higher level cap without deprecating the old formerly endgame content. Yeah, that means they don't have much of an endgame, but it's not like the endgame would have been good if there were one. Ever play other MMORPGs that did put more work into making awful endgames?
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And like I said in my original post the grinding sound comes after I log out mostly but once in while when I'm logged in but not often.
Thanks
The thing that drove me off was the low spawn rates of a lot of monsters and botters camping said monsters, because the grind is real in this game if you are trying to do the collections. I don't mind grinding to get things but when you have 10 other people in every channel attempting to grind the same mobs it gets old fast if they are not respawning fast enough. I remember the drop rate on one of the items needed when I first started was less that 1%. Some people where grinding for up to a month and not getting it.
Other than that the gameplay itself isn't bad at all. I enjoyed the classes and the difference between them. It is a game you will want to play with a controller though, feels like it was made for consoles in that respect. If you like grinders then this may be a game for you.
By the way, that was on a real example I found in a video shop. The guy kept saying it was a cartoon and so it belonged in the kids section until I read it's cover to him very loudly so everyone in the shop could hear.
He turned a rather vivid shade of red as he snatched it up and put it in the adult only section.
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Gremlins or poltergeist would be my next guess, time to move.
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I have to keep checking the build I'm trying to follow to not screwup plus it gets a little repetitive.
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Er, wait, lemme do this reply over.
Most other MMOs don't have anti-farming code that restricts you to about 30 minutes a day (10 minutes a day if you're just doing a boss rush)
Of course, dungeons aren't the only thing to the game. They are, however, the only thing when it comes to party play for the vast majority of the game (at least until the very end, but even then, the party play is more just to speed up the grind rather than to coordinate and team-up with people in any way that requires actual effort)
Truthfully though, limited dungeon runs are just one of ToS's many problems. Questing that becomes obscenely repetitive and boring the second time you go through it making levelling alts a real chore, horrible FPS rates for most people, bots everywhere clogging up prime farming spots, most grinding spots too overcrowded, monster spawn rates too slow, bugs, no class resets so if you make one mistake or an update comes along that screws up your build or makes it basically "that other new build over there does what your build does but better" the only option you have is to re-start a new character and slog through that boring grind with those insanely boring quests again, lack of decent customer support, updates way behind Korean updates, stupid trade restrictions that make things annoying as hell for players while achieving absolutely nothing against RMT, class-restricted costumes on gimmick costumes for no thematic reason (want to be a maid but aren't a cleric? Want the bunny suit but aren't a wizard? TOO BAD), ridiculously imbalanced PvP. horribly done stat system which leads to utterly bizarre scaling of skills and damage and stats, no particular end game besides repetively doing Earth Tower over and over and waiting for bosses on four hour timers hoping you make it within the top 5 damagers there to get any loot, and more!
Let's unpack your complaints a little more.
You complain that leveling alts is a pain. It's less so than in most MMORPGs, as the game goes out of its way to be alt-friendly. It has multiple starting areas so that you're not stuck on rails, easy sharing of gear with alts, team levels to speed up leveling alts, sharing pets with alts, and more.
I'm not sure what your "horrible FPS rates" complaint is about. Yeah, it's pretty bad in the center of Klaipeda, but that's a town so no one cares. Outside of towns, I mostly range from 60-140 frames per second at fairly high settings and a 4320x2560 resolution. Yes, a Fury X is a powerful card, but that's an awfully high resolution and my CPU is seven years old.
There are bots in a handful of places, but it's quite far from "bots everywhere". They ban bots daily and post a list of the bannings on their forums. The same is true of "overcrowding"; there are typically only a few people in a given channel of a given zone.
If you want to stand in one spot and wait for mobs to respawn there, then yeah, it will feel slow. But if that's what you do, you're doing it all wrong. Kill the mobs in one spot and move on to another where mobs are already up. I've done 45 zones so far, and waiting on Glizardons to spawn in the Tenet Church basement is the only one I've found annoyingly slow.
Yeah, the game has bugs. But not that many of them and not that severe as MMORPGs go. It's reasonably well polished.
No class resets is an issue. I'll concede that point, but they'll likely add a way to do a class reset eventually.
I haven't needed customer support yet, so I won't comment on its quality.
Yes, updates are behind the Korean version. So? They're coming.
How do you know that the trade restrictions do nothing against RMT? They don't shut it down entirely, but I'd bet that they make it a whole lot easier to combat. Two days to cancel an auction before its proceeds get diffused throughout the economy is a pretty powerful tool if you're inclined to attack RMT.
They want your look to uniquely identify your class, or at least your base class. You might disagree with that decision, but it is an actual reason for the costume restrictions.
I haven't tried the PVP, but I'd expect that it would be imbalanced. Welcome to MMORPGs. You should figure out that PVP is imbalanced sometime around the time you reach level 2 and are suddenly stronger than you were at level 1.
The stat system and scaling is perhaps unusual, making some low level skills remain useful forever while others are pretty much deprecated as you level away from them. But there are trade-offs between giving you varied build options and balancing everything well, and they decided to go more heavily for the former.
Rather than wasting a bunch of effort on letting you grind something stupid for an endgame, the model is to add a big new batch of real content for a new, higher level cap without deprecating the old formerly endgame content. Yeah, that means they don't have much of an endgame, but it's not like the endgame would have been good if there were one. Ever play other MMORPGs that did put more work into making awful endgames?