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God news and bad concerning PVP
ghoul31
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"For those who would rather whack other players than monsters, things get dicey. Sigil does plan PvP servers, completely separate from its PvE focused core game, but they are not yet sure if they’ll be ready for launch. Jones explained this mostly in their desire to do a separate and logical system, rather than just tacking it on to a PvE game. "
So its its like they they are putting a lot of effort into a PVP server. But it doesn't look like it will be available at release.
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I agree with the title of this post
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While it would be nice to have PvP servers upon release, i'ts nice to know that they will be taking the time to hopefully create a PvP server that is actually worth our time. Im excited about this game, but I already felt there was no way they could implement effective PvP if they meet the 2006 release .
So yes...Good news, and Bad news, indeed.
Anyone who thinks PvP is a necessary element to a MMORPG, just go take a look at Shadowbane. The game is free now and the company that designed it is closing their offices next month.
PvP is one of things things that you should "beware of what you ask for." Never seen a successful pure PvP game. Probably never will.
PvE is where it's at.
{(RIP)} SWG
I disagree with your view on PVP in MMORPGS.
Shadowbane and Wolfpack are not closing their doors do to PVP. SB was a
great game in it's time. The game is old and was an experiment in and of
its self. The game had a good run and is still covered in a number of
blogs and web sites like this one. In fact, that sounds a bit pompous
Billius8. My rush comes from both PVE and knowing that the intelligence behind
my PVP opposition is human. It’s not about ‘pawning’ or any of the BS terms
tossed around to label all PVP interaction. I do enjoy that my opponents are
truly dynamic intelligences and not always simple AIs.
So, predictable pattern walkers are where it's at? PVE is great but give
us some options. Don't paint this player into a corner.
In a world where the stakes are high enough PVP becomes a last resort of sorts.
PKers are here to only negatively impact others. And you’ll be shocked to see
what my guilds polices are on those types. Speaking for 300 + players in one
guild “We punish this sort of behavior; with extreme prejudice.” Politics and
role-playing truces and treaties come first. It’s some of the best dynamic
storytelling you can find outside table top RPGs. And, the plotline that the
players control is where the rush comes from for me. Killing other players is
not my goal it is a byproduct. I know I’m not alone.
It is a necessary element. And you've contradicted yourself with this statement
"[I've] never seen a successful pure PVP game [and] probably never
will." Who's talking about pure PVP I like the PVE as
well.
http://www.massivelyonlinegamer.com iTunes
Half of WOW's servers are PVP servers. And even the non pvp servers have battlegrounds. So there is tons of PVP on them too. So how can you say PVE is where its at?
It is clear that people want PVP in their games.
link? who exactly said this? that will suck if there isnt pvp when vanguard releases!
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Upon release there will most likely only be limited PVP as in the way we are used to from EQ. With duels, and perhaps BOTB competitions, and arenas.
They are making completely separate PVP servers, with different rulesets, and those might not make release.
I completely agree with this philosophy because the number ONE fubar in games is to try to balance PVP and PVE on one server. It just doesn't work right. When you balance one skill for one aspect it can completely gimp it for the other, making one side whine. Nothing causes more gameplay nerfs to both items, skills, abilities and spells more than "balancing" two aspects of the game that are COMPLETELY different in terms of HP/damage/resists (can never compare a player vs a mob)
They are doing this the hard way (every other game out there just does it the easy way of implementing both, like wow) but by doing it the hard way, they will hopefully come out with a better PVP experience for those who want it. They will just have to wait a bit longer.
Why is it that PvP fans almost always want both PvE and PvP for a richer game experience, but PvE fans want *no* PvP whatsoever?
Seriously, if you don't like PvP then don't take part in it. Every successful game other than perhaps Shadowbane has had extremely large "safe" PvE areas, or entire no-PvP servers. Why can't you guys just go play there? Why do you constantly try to convince developers that there should be *zero* PvP in their games?
I realize I'm being a bit aggressive here, and that not all people who dislike PvP ask for it to be completely removed, but seriously... it seems like the *vast* majority of anti-PvP people are more concerned with keeping EVERYONE from PvP'ing than from ensuring their own game experience is PvP-free.
It really smacks of Puritan prohibition-esque thinking, trying to censor other people's game experience simply because it's not your personal preference. There's room enough in the design of these games for us all. Please stop treating PvP as though it's some sinful activity to be witch-hunted out of our games.
Thanks for reading.
Grymlok
First off, Brad Mquaid specifically said there would be at least one PvP server at launch. Secondly, PvP IS very important to games, but shouldn't be the main focus. Let's look at one of the biggest MMOG dissapointments, D&DO, a lot of its failure was because there was no PvP. Now let's look at a slightly more successful game, WoW. WoW is LOADED with PvP. Quite frankly, wacking the same brainless, nonliving, predictable, things, gets boring after a while, PvP is a necessity.
link? who exactly said this? that will suck if there isnt pvp when vanguard releases!
It was in uesterdays mmorpg,com preview. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/544/gameID/147
Sigil has always said they will develop the pvp servers after they are done with pve. They have for a long time hinted that they will most likley release witha generic pvp server or two and I believe that Brad has said they will release with at least one PvP server. He has also said the games architecture is built to accomodate different PvP server rulesets along with any neccessary class changes that will be needed for balancing. But yesterdays article seem to say that might not happen and they might release with only PvE servers until they are able to get the PvP rulesets and servers the way they want them. That idea is a much better idea IMO than just releasing with a bare bones pvp server. Much better to take the time to do it right.
This is a quote from Sigil....... "For those who would rather whack other players than monsters, things get dicey. Sigil does plan PvP servers, completely separate from its PvE focused core game, but they are not yet sure if they’ll be ready for launch. Jones explained this mostly in their desire to do a separate and logical system, rather than just tacking it on to a PvE game"
that is not a quote from sigil, it is the mmorpg.com writer explaining what "jones" said in the interview, it seems like the writers Analysis and opinion on the matter nothing more.
not saying that the sigil Representative didn't say that pvp servers might not be ready, but it sure as hell isn't a quote from sigil from my prespective.....i could be wrong though.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
i agree with you..... but at the same time how many crybaby hardcore pvpers make "down with carebears" threads? it works both ways my friend, some people...for some strange reason, feel every game should be made just for them.
also you have to take into consideration that pvp in alot of cases makes for a crap community, and I'm sure that is why alot of "anti-PvP" people don't want it on their server at all.
that being said i sure as hell hope there is at least 1 pvp server or...if they can at least label a server "future pvp" because i will be freaking heated if i have to start all over and switch servers just because they couldn't have pvp ready by launch.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
The statements are correct.
They've been saying it for a long time now. PVE is the primary focus. They will nail that in and get it working properly before moving on to PVP.
Which means, as I said above, most likely at launch you will have simplistic PVP such as duels and arenas.
PVP servers with completely different rulesets will come later (tho they wish to get one by release, but are not promising it)
She made a couple of small errors. First, we will launch with at least one PvP server (possibly more -- depends on how many servers we launch total with). Since PvP is one of the last scheduled major systems, I don't know what variant of PvP (the ruleset for this first server) will be yet, though we have many planned.
Also, while the majority of the content is the game is built towards grouping, grouping is not required and there will be plenty of content on both sides of grouping: casual/solo content, as well as raid content.
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Brad McQuaid
CCO, Visionary Realms, Inc.
www.pantheonmmo.com
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lol well that settles that!
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Thank you Brad for taking the time MOG will include this
info in our next podcast. This community response is why I’m placing my bets on
Vanguard.
Great NEWS! Please make one starter PVP server the hardcore one.
http://www.massivelyonlinegamer.com iTunes
Originally posted by Soda241
If.. They don't have a pvp server, People will not play it, there is so many PVP people out there.. that they won't come, I agree with Thrymer post, What he say is ture.. and it a big point, because that 300+ people wont come.
so your saying people wont play on non pvp servers? or just not as many? i agree they need pvp servers, it will bring alot more people in, but alot of people will still play on the pve servers ofcource.
besides...brad just said there will be at least one pvp srver, so i wouldnt worry about it.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
link? who exactly said this? that will suck if there isnt pvp when vanguard releases!
Link here:
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/gameId/147/setView/features/loadFeature/544
Here is the qutoe frpm April Jones:
"Sigil does plan PvP servers, completely separate from its PvE focused core game, but they are not yet sure if they’ll be ready for launch. Jones explained this mostly in their desire to do a separate and logical system, rather than just tacking it on to a PvE game."
thanks, but the question has already been answered and there will indeed be at least one pvp server at launch.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....