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character creation is bad? (body customization)

AceMasterAceMaster Member UncommonPosts: 35
edited November 2015 in Black Desert Online
To anyone who tried character creation in BD, do you like it?
Almost all videos i saw about BD mentioned how good BD character creation is, and was hyped for that alone.


But when I tried it in russians server (during open beta, before ip block), I hated it so much that i probably won't buy the game unless maybe  gameplay (only played for a few hours at most).
Bur heard combat is to easy and boring , not sure on how west version will be.

Honestly BnS character customization seems better or even older games like aion.

Ironically i hated BnS because of characters, and liked BD for same reason.
Until I got in BnS closed beta and created my own character, and tried BD character creation to.


Hair style
- you only have available a few hair style which can be arranged however you like, But the result aren't that many "good" hairstyle. Games that offer 20 or more static hairstyle to choose from seems to be better and easier. More variety than slightly tilted hair that BD offers. It ain't bad tough, but ain't good either.

Face edit
- is actually good, but you can screw up more easily. Not really a problem tough. This part seems to be above other games, but not by that much.
Note: I actually was forced to change some options on my face, because on the options I liked, I could see space between textures on the face

Body
- this part sucks. I spend like 60 seconds here. You can't really edit it as much as i would like to. Body is tied with class, for example tamer have smaller breasts and archer have larger breast ( of course it's not only this). I hated my character, every tamer looked the same the only think that looked different was the hair but that is mostly because of color.

The faces look different, but who is looking at that when fighting or just passing by?
Vindictus which have like 5 sliders for body let you customize the body more(or at least that is the feeling I got) 

I used to think BD is the best game with the best graphics and real looking characters. I was hoping i can make a character look like any other class I saw in the gameplay videos but you can't. You are stuck to your class limits.

It ain't bad per say, but why are people praising this? Am i missing something?




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  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    You can adjust every part of the body.  You can adjust like 8 different parts of the hair.  By adjusting the legs and torso you can make the characters significantly shorter or taller.

    The amount of customization you can do is unparalleled in games we've seen so far, without being stupid (like giant heads in Aion).

    Plus the interface is amazing.


  • gothagotha Member UncommonPosts: 1,074
    Early on its pretty obvious the developer decided to over zealously protect artistic direction.  Gender locking and what not.  This does really hurt immersion for me and a lot of players who are forced to play a character which poorly represents what they want.

    This is a weird issue for me.  If the gameplay is really good it becomes a non issue.  If they game play is middle of the road or only somewhat good this will stop me from playing the game.

    I can play a halfway decent game if I can play a character who represents what I want.  But if this feature is gone I am gone.
  • AylindelAylindel Member UncommonPosts: 22
    so far from what ive seen in YouTube videos.  carácter creation in this game is amazing
  • linadragonlinadragon Member RarePosts: 589
    Maybe you couldn't understand the character creation well enough cuz of the foreign language... But character creation is lliterally only second to Eve Online's character creation tools (meaning it is the 2nd best out there and the first in a real mmorpg) 
  • NoxeronNoxeron Member UncommonPosts: 64
    From what I have seen the character creation looks amazing in this game. But what you say you experienced and what I have seen on youtube seems to differ a lot. With body customization you could change length of specific body parts, and you say there was none. It would be odd if there's no way to increase the boob size in a Korean game.
  • AylindelAylindel Member UncommonPosts: 22
    i probably going to spend more than day on character creation alone.
  • AceMasterAceMaster Member UncommonPosts: 35
    edited November 2015
    I think because it doesn't allow you to be stupid, ( giant heads like mentioned :) ) it actually limits character creation even for those which want to make something normal, which they like.

    Maybe the costumes are at fault? not sure but in 10 min I met 5 characters that looked almost identical to me.

    I wanted to log in and try again, because i might have skipped some options, but then they banned  ips lol.

    To those who only saw videos about character creations and gameplay, maybe you noticed that almost all characters played by youtubers looked similar even between different classes but more noticeable on same classes.

    If i create 100 characters in BnS or Aion, all of them will be different. Not sure I can do 10 in black desert.
    More sliders doesn't equal more customization.

    To me customization means that combining character customization + costume I won't meat people looking like me. BD kinda fails at that.

    Then again I might be crazy.
    That is why I made this topic, to determine if i'm crazy, pretentious or right. :D

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  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,483
    edited November 2015
    there is no other game even remotely close to this 




  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,941
    AceMaster said:


    To me customization means that combining character customization + costume I won't meat people looking like me. BD kinda fails at that.

    Then again I might be crazy.
    That is why I made this topic, to determine if i'm crazy, pretentious or right. :D

    After looking at these two videos you are incorrect.

    Additionally, why did you come to the conclusion that the character creator was bad because you met other people who looked like you when you could have come to the conclusion that none of them did much with the character creator. Probably like you?

    My guess is that people with patience and an artistic eye will do better with the tool and get the most out of it.
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  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,483
    yah basically seems like the OP says its bad cause he doesnt have skill to use it to its fullest, thats like saying WOW arena pvp is bad cause I can only get to 1900 rating

    here are a few other favorites

    just a random internet person


    Gandalf


    Selena Gomez

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  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,141

    Did you just type I don't think Ill be playing a game because the thing you only do once at the beginning of the game and never really see again close up except at the login screen before you start playing didn't meet your expectations? 

    I don't think its an MMO that your looking for, maybe one of those dress up / make up games.  In MMO's there is actually an entire game waiting for you after what is ultimately a non consequential character creation step that's then a tool used to experience the content.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    For nothing more than visuals it is really good but so was the hype behind AION .A real good quality character customization would go well beyond simple visuals,especially since 90% of the body is covered in armor/gear.

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  • AceMasterAceMaster Member UncommonPosts: 35
    goboygo said:

    Did you just type I don't think Ill be playing a game because the thing you only do once at the beginning of the game and never really see again close up except at the login screen before you start playing didn't meet your expectations? 

    I don't think its an MMO that your looking for, maybe one of those dress up / make up games.  In MMO's there is actually an entire game waiting for you after what is ultimately a non consequential character creation step that's then a tool used to experience the content.

    1. the game was hyped because of character customization (at least at first), not raid bosses, not combat, not pvp, not how great the sandbox is. Those were reveled later and seemed normal but might be better than character customization. Youtube is filled with videos of people playing with character customization.

    2. some people do play mmorpg to dress up. I like when people say something about the way I look. It's not the main goal, but it is an personal achievement. Also heroes dress up. Imagine dc and marvel with civilian clothing all the time. Certainly not the same impact.

    3. No, I'm not complaining what I see on login screen or because of the thing i only do once at the beginning of the game. That part is more than ok.
    I complained that i will look the same as the other character next to me while playing. Exactly the opposite of what you said

    All of the videos above show character creation screen, the face which I already said it was good. But what about the body and the build of the character?
    Most other games offer different race for same class for variety.
    If not races, you can change muscles mass, fat, height etc..
    If you can't change that, you have preset body builds to choose from (like DC Universe)
    I spent hours in APB reloaded character customization, on body customization alone.

    What does black desert offer?
    Put same class, side by side with same outfit and zoom out (gameplay zoom out). the Differences are minor even more so than other mmorpg.

    Also even the face is debatable. From Default to end result, you can clearly see similarities. And i can't tell apart 2 pictures of the same girl with different make up in real life.
    For example can you create a gandalf looking character for other classes like "giant" or "warrior"?

    Why can't you be a giant and play as a mage? ( I get the lore, i used it just to point out that classes are not just gender locked)

    In terms of variety BDO reminds me of dragon nest which barely has any options on customization.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ri4isIdkWB0/maxresdefault.jpg
    http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/458052_326641474087843_87068692_o.jpg
    http://bns.gameguyz.com/sites/default/files/images/20130503045842.jpg
    http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v286/jumpbr/8.jpg

    BnS has clearly the best variety.


  • AceMasterAceMaster Member UncommonPosts: 35
    edited November 2015
    Sovrath said:
    After looking at these two videos you are incorrect.

    Additionally, why did you come to the conclusion that the character creator was bad because you met other people who looked like you when you could have come to the conclusion that none of them did much with the character creator. Probably like you?

    My guess is that people with patience and an artistic eye will do better with the tool and get the most out of it.
    Videos mostly show the face customization.
    I changed the title for the misunderstandings.

    Really now, who looks at the faces of other character while playing?
    You need to zoom in really close to see the difference.

  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,483
    Ace did you watch the body, especially of the Giant one and the Brad Pitt one, there is a ton of body customizations, the legs alone have 4 different customizable pieces, upper leg, lower leg, hip and feet, and those each have multiple sliders for more/less muscle etc

  • AceMasterAceMaster Member UncommonPosts: 35
    Myrdynn said:
    Ace did you watch the body, especially of the Giant one and the Brad Pitt one, there is a ton of body customizations, the legs alone have 4 different customizable pieces, upper leg, lower leg, hip and feet, and those each have multiple sliders for more/less muscle etc

    I know you have sliders but....

    Well I'm not sure what i want really, It might have been a mistake to start this thread without the game being out and experimenting a little more myself to.

    If i did that i wouldn't have wasted anyone time lol. 

    Character customization is good, but each class feels like having a template which you can't really get out of it. You are better off thinking this game like vindictus.
    Each class is actually a person which you customize and you don't get to make one from scratch.
    They are generic tough and cover a huge range of possibilities, but you might need to pick a class based on how you want to look.
    I wonder if they will introduce a giant or fat woman? :)

    That is the feeling I got but couldn't put my finger on it until now.
    Is that gamebreaking? of course not ...but....kinda disappointed.


    Sorry and thank for people who replied to my dumb thread:)
  • fenrisbluefenrisblue Member UncommonPosts: 138
    You can adjust every part of the body.  You can adjust like 8 different parts of the hair.  By adjusting the legs and torso you can make the characters significantly shorter or taller.

    The amount of customization you can do is unparalleled in games we've seen so far, without being stupid (like giant heads in Aion).

    Plus the interface is amazing.


    yes it is unparalleled as long as what you want to create looks like what they want you to create, the gender lock is annoying enough , but the idea that i cant create a wizard that isn't elderly of weak looking just  makes me not want to play it , i bought the game and tried to get into it , but i just cant
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829
    You can adjust every part of the body.  You can adjust like 8 different parts of the hair.  By adjusting the legs and torso you can make the characters significantly shorter or taller.

    The amount of customization you can do is unparalleled in games we've seen so far, without being stupid (like giant heads in Aion).

    Plus the interface is amazing.


    yes it is unparalleled as long as what you want to create looks like what they want you to create, the gender lock is annoying enough , but the idea that i cant create a wizard that isn't elderly of weak looking just  makes me not want to play it , i bought the game and tried to get into it , but i just cant
    Check out this video. Or if you don't have the patience to watch it entirely, skip to the last couple of seconds. You'll be pleasantly surprised.


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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829
    Also, some additional links where you can see some of the things people have done with the creator. Or even download them for your own use.

    http://www.bdotemplates.com/
    http://bdo.mmo-fashion.com/

    Not that there isn't a feature for it in game these days... xD
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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829
    DMKano said:
    Way to necro a thread from last year.


    Necros are life, Kano.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,941
    AceMaster said:
    Sovrath said:
    After looking at these two videos you are incorrect.

    Additionally, why did you come to the conclusion that the character creator was bad because you met other people who looked like you when you could have come to the conclusion that none of them did much with the character creator. Probably like you?

    My guess is that people with patience and an artistic eye will do better with the tool and get the most out of it.
    Videos mostly show the face customization.
    I changed the title for the misunderstandings.

    Really now, who looks at the faces of other character while playing?
    You need to zoom in really close to see the difference.

    Well, as long as this was necro'd, I'll answer this question that I didn't see.

    I do.

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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    Its one of the best.
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