Shadow Warrior 2 Developers Say DRM is a Waste of Time

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• Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004

  October 2016 edited October 2016

  I was on the line about getting this game but after hearing this I'll pickup a copy. To support the game.

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• BananaSoup Member UncommonPosts: 180

  October 2016 edited October 2016

  So now we Poles have three companies making true AAA titles with no DRM. CD Projekt RED(Witcher 3), Techland(Dying Light) and now Flying Hog. I'm so proud!

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• Pynda Member UncommonPosts: 856

  October 2016 edited October 2016

  I'm not familiar with this game, but we're talking about a Steam release here? The whole design of Steam, and the primary reason for its very existence is to be a DRM platform. That, and to destroy the used game market (or to disallow you giving your game to someone when you're done playing it).
  
• rpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502

  October 2016

  Pynda said:

  I'm not familiar with this game, but we're talking about a Steam release here? The whole design of Steam, and the primary reason for its very existence is to be a DRM platform. That, and to destroy the used game market (or to disallow you giving your game to someone when you're done playing it).
  

  
  They've released the game on GOG as well, perhaps other places that are also authentication free.
  
  
• Wizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

  October 2016

  Pynda said:

  I'm not familiar with this game, but we're talking about a Steam release here? The whole design of Steam, and the primary reason for its very existence is to be a DRM platform. That, and to destroy the used game market (or to disallow you giving your game to someone when you're done playing it).
  

  Yeah if it is a Steam game,there will be zero piracy,so it is more a media attention/public image gimmick.
  
  Steam in itself is not a very legit platform,it is one that makes Valve loads of money allows us to store games with unlimited storage but overall not much else is good about Steam.
  
  IDK this game either but i definitely have seen what these guys are talking about in mmo's.What i have seen or not seen is a complete laziness/cheapness or lack of effort to create anti cheating systems and that would be for this very reason "to save cost and time"but makes for good PR if we say "to make a better game".obviously BS PR statements seem to work because just in this thread we already see people adoring the statement and praising them for it.

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• Tecca Member UncommonPosts: 45

  October 2016

  Wizardry said:

  Pynda said:

  I'm not familiar with this game, but we're talking about a Steam release here? The whole design of Steam, and the primary reason for its very existence is to be a DRM platform. That, and to destroy the used game market (or to disallow you giving your game to someone when you're done playing it).
  

  Yeah if it is a Steam game,there will be zero piracy,so it is more a media attention/public image gimmick.
  
  Steam in itself is not a very legit platform,it is one that makes Valve loads of money allows us to store games with unlimited storage but overall not much else is good about Steam.
  
  IDK this game either but i definitely have seen what these guys are talking about in mmo's.What i have seen or not seen is a complete laziness/cheapness or lack of effort to create anti cheating systems and that would be for this very reason "to save cost and time"but makes for good PR if we say "to make a better game".obviously BS PR statements seem to work because just in this thread we already see people adoring the statement and praising them for it.

  Do you know what DRM is? I'm half asleep right now, but I can't decipher what you're trying to say. It doesn't make sense in this topic's context. 
• Celcius Member RarePosts: 1,878

  October 2016 edited October 2016

  Wizardry said:

  Pynda said:

  I'm not familiar with this game, but we're talking about a Steam release here? The whole design of Steam, and the primary reason for its very existence is to be a DRM platform. That, and to destroy the used game market (or to disallow you giving your game to someone when you're done playing it).
  

  Yeah if it is a Steam game,there will be zero piracy,so it is more a media attention/public image gimmick.
  
  
  

  Steam is not impervious to piracy. There are a TON of games that have bypass cracks available that are only available on Steam. I would rather not support / advertise piracy so I will leave out the name of the game; but a game that also uses Denuvo (The DRM mentioned by Flying Wild Hog here) has been cracked. Denuvo is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, DRM systems available. 
  
  And as aside: Origin and Uplay also have plenty of games that have DRM that has been bypassed by crackers.  
  
  The problem with DRM that you are missing here is that DRM systems only mean one thing: The developer of the game does not trust it's customers. It is basically the whole argument that someone who pirates a game means that it is a lost sale of the game; which in all likely hood is not the case. Piracy is not always about money; it is about convenience. One of the reasons you don't see as many companies coming out to claim they have lost a ton of money to piracy in the last couple of years is because games are more convenient then ever to buy digitally.
  
  There are very very few games that have actually been uncrackable, most of which are on services which require online interaction (Battle.net mainly, and I am pretty sure some of those games have been cracked too) like MMORPGs. Even MMORPGs have been sorta-cracked via server emulation. It costs a good amount of money for these developers to put these systems into their games and support them; it makes more sense to trust customers will buy the game if they have the option rather then pirate it when chances are that the quality of the game via the lack of some resources will go down as a result of putting these kinds of systems into the game. 
• goboygo Member RarePosts: 2,141

  October 2016 edited October 2016

  Now If I can just get all the F2P cash shop lovers to realize that this is the same problem you have there.  Massive amounts of resources diverted away from content development and tons of content developed to steer you to the cash shop.
  
  but basically its the same theory that Krzy is talking about above with developing and maintaining effective DRM only 10 times worse.