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ghostwalking · October 2016

I returned after being gone for a while. Lasted about a week. Griefing is unavoidable - even in high-sec now. I spent the week dodging prat fleets controlling high-sec gates, getting ganked while mining in high-sec space, and being tackled while running deadspace missions.

I'm sure it's a great online social experiment, but it's not my thing. Cancelled. Won't bother again.

Kunai_Vax · October 2016

It was my first ever MMO back when it was first released. Ive tried to return a couple of times over the last decade but the combat is just far too boring for me.
I am happy that its still going strong though

suckm3 · October 2016

Well, its like real life, isn't it? Everybody can kill, scam you as well. You have no protection either. Unless you never leave your cellar where you hide all the time

Elsabolts · October 2016

CCP your game is dieing, folks are not gonna pay 15$ a month to get ganked. Your business folks are getting nervous. But that's ok Star Citizen will bring you more Subs. LOL

Kyleran · October 2016

ghostwalking said:

I returned after being gone for a while. Lasted about a week. Griefing is unavoidable - even in high-sec now. I spent the week dodging prat fleets controlling high-sec gates, getting ganked while mining in high-sec space, and being tackled while running deadspace missions.

I'm sure it's a great online social experiment, but it's not my thing. Cancelled. Won't bother again.

My guess is you ran into CODE, if so then I'm sure they made your life miserable. (unless you were war decced which is an entirely different matter)

Thing is, CODE isn't everywhere, so the secret to success in high sec is much like null sec now.

You learn to mine, mission run or run complexes in more remote systems far from the major market hubs.

Also, you learn to check who is in your current system, and check the affiliation and sec status of anyone new who jumps in system with you.

Helps to set CODE to red as well, along with any other known gankers.

Finally, you can't always fit for yield, better to fly Skiffs or Procs which CODE will frequently ignore as they require much more fire power to gank.

I tell my corp mates I find high sec more challenging then null these days as its harder to tell who the hostiles are, in null its quite easy and you even have an intel network.

EVE really doesn't have "safe" space anymore, dangers lurk everywhere which for better or worse, is how CCP wants it.

Onigod · October 2016

Elsabolts said:

CCP your game is dieing, folks are not gonna pay 15$ a month to get ganked. Your business folks are getting nervous. But that's ok Star Citizen will bring you more Subs. LOL

Please dont say what I want, because YOU are like that and YOU want to have these things in YOUR games and other features not does not mean that OTHERS feel the same way.

I want my games to give complete freedom when it comes to this, its fucking war in your games, npc are telling you everyone is going to die but you cant even hit a single player in most games, I want someone stronger than me to be able to kill me and I want to kill someone weaker than me if they are in my way or I just feel like it.

Also most players on mmorpg.com are not the target audience for any game for obvious reasons.

Kyleran · October 2016

suckm3 said:

Well, its like real life, isn't it? Everybody can kill, scam you as well. You have no protection either. Unless you never leave your cellar where you hide all the time

No, its not at all like real life where the punishments for those activities are very severe, which helps to keep their occurrence low, even here in Florida where I reside.

I wish CCP would up the penalties, I don't mind if they let people wantonly scam or kill, but the punishments should range from having your character unavailable for weeks or even months (and you would have to be subbed to burn off your time) to permadeath of known murderers who get caught and killed by other players.

PVP gank crowd doesnt have the stones for it however.

Gdemami · October 2016

It is really interesting how "griefing" is supposedly "unavoidable" by some and other have no issues at all, they do not even know there is some griefing....

I do not want to believe someone could be that bad, for lack of better word, so I assume the "horror stories" are just made up...

Elsabolts · October 2016

Onigod said:

Elsabolts said:

CCP your game is dieing, folks are not gonna pay 15$ a month to get ganked. Your business folks are getting nervous. But that's ok Star Citizen will bring you more Subs. LOL

Please dont say what I want, because YOU are like that and YOU want to have these things in YOUR games and other features not does not mean that OTHERS feel the same way.

I want my games to give complete freedom when it comes to this, its fucking war in your games, npc are telling you everyone is going to die but you cant even hit a single player in most games, I want someone stronger than me to be able to kill me and I want to kill someone weaker than me if they are in my way or I just feel like it.

Also most players on mmorpg.com are not the target audience for any game for obvious reasons.

Onigod thank you for helping make my point.

Wizardry · October 2016

ghostwalking said:

I returned after being gone for a while. Lasted about a week. Griefing is unavoidable - even in high-sec now. I spent the week dodging prat fleets controlling high-sec gates, getting ganked while mining in high-sec space, and being tackled while running deadspace missions.

I'm sure it's a great online social experiment, but it's not my thing. Cancelled. Won't bother again.

For myself,it is not so much about my type of game or even greifing,it is more so about the game NOT being a full complete game.
it is more just a boring space romp around with your only exciting recourse to engage in pvp which is nothing more than some simple boring HUD action.
Bottom line is that Eve is missing about 90% of what it takes to make a space game really good or perhaps even mildly good,this is like still after all these years still just a ho hum start of a game design.

hey we have heard many times...land of opportunity,if you can get people to give you money for as little as possible,why not?Personally my morals would get in the way,i would feel bad taking that many millions from people and giving them so little but for some people they are happy to exploit others.

Kyleran · October 2016

Wizardry said:

ghostwalking said:

I returned after being gone for a while. Lasted about a week. Griefing is unavoidable - even in high-sec now. I spent the week dodging prat fleets controlling high-sec gates, getting ganked while mining in high-sec space, and being tackled while running deadspace missions.

I'm sure it's a great online social experiment, but it's not my thing. Cancelled. Won't bother again.

For myself,it is not so much about my type of game or even greifing,it is more so about the game NOT being a full complete game.
it is more just a boring space romp around with your only exciting recourse to engage in pvp which is nothing more than some simple boring HUD action.
Bottom line is that Eve is missing about 90% of what it takes to make a space game really good or perhaps even mildly good,this is like still after all these years still just a ho hum start of a game design.

hey we have heard many times...land of opportunity,if you can get people to give you money for as little as possible,why not?Personally my morals would get in the way,i would feel bad taking that many millions from people and giving them so little but for some people they are happy to exploit others.

There is a huge assortment of non PVP activities to do in EVE it boggles my mind to see you write this.

Ore, ice and moon mining, market trading, exploration, mission running, incursion running, trade hauling, managing POSs, manufacturing and sales, market trading, living in wormholes vs null vs low vs high sec space, dead space complexes, running anoms, drug mfg and sales, scamming, the list goes on and on.

I'd be interested to see what this other ""90%" would even be, can you share?

ghostwalking · October 2016

Like I said. Not my kind of game anymore. I don't feel like wasting what little gaming time I have figuring out how to avoid trolls and griefers. Some people dig it, obviously. I don't.

It's probably what CCP wants or they would have buffed Concorde to keep pace with improvements to player tech and fleets. It does seem like a long social experiment. They used to brag about having the most realistic market system of any game. I kind of wonder if they eventually see player empires replacing the racial empires. From a dev perspective, that would be an amazing thing (especially considering how vast the game is).

But not what I'm looking for in a game.

ghostwalking · October 2016

Wow. It just occurred to me that with CODE they've managed to emulate terrorism. "you think you're safe in high-sec? BOOM!"

I was originally thinking "protection racket" and "organized crime" because you can buy "indulgences" for safety, but now that I think about it, it's closer to a terrorism simulation.

They even call it "suicide ganking" and mask it in cult-sounding rhetoric (if you read their website)

Octagon7711 · October 2016

That's the one thing that's missing in this game. There are corps that are very good at showing new players the ropes. But there is no mechanic in pointing new players towards them. I found them by scanning the forums. The game requires a lot of research if you don't have good friends to help.

Kane72 · October 2016

suckm3 said:

Well, its like real life, isn't it? Everybody can kill, scam you as well. You have no protection either. Unless you never leave your cellar where you hide all the time

No it's not like real life, because in real life there are laws and deterrents which protect the law-abiding majority. In Eve, there is little to protect those who want to do their own thing without being attacked.

I enjoyed a game where I could play in High-sec and be safe, but now it's just a gankfest for the griefers and DOES NOT IN ANY WAY ENCOURAGE NEW PLAYERS.

Talonsin · October 2016

I think CCP is in a tough position, they dont want to tick off their core players by making highsec a safer place but they also need to draw in some new blood. They have been losing players fairly steady since 2014.
Source: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

It will be interesting to see how they address things over the next year or two.

Mors.Magne · October 2016

Kyleran said:

Wizardry said:

ghostwalking said:

I returned after being gone for a while. Lasted about a week. Griefing is unavoidable - even in high-sec now. I spent the week dodging prat fleets controlling high-sec gates, getting ganked while mining in high-sec space, and being tackled while running deadspace missions.

I'm sure it's a great online social experiment, but it's not my thing. Cancelled. Won't bother again.

For myself,it is not so much about my type of game or even greifing,it is more so about the game NOT being a full complete game.
it is more just a boring space romp around with your only exciting recourse to engage in pvp which is nothing more than some simple boring HUD action.
Bottom line is that Eve is missing about 90% of what it takes to make a space game really good or perhaps even mildly good,this is like still after all these years still just a ho hum start of a game design.

hey we have heard many times...land of opportunity,if you can get people to give you money for as little as possible,why not?Personally my morals would get in the way,i would feel bad taking that many millions from people and giving them so little but for some people they are happy to exploit others.

There is a huge assortment of non PVP activities to do in EVE it boggles my mind to see you write this.

Ore, ice and moon mining, market trading, exploration, mission running, incursion running, trade hauling, managing POSs, manufacturing and sales, market trading, living in wormholes vs null vs low vs high sec space, dead space complexes, running anoms, drug mfg and sales, scamming, the list goes on and on.

I'd be interested to see what this other ""90%" would even be, can you share?

I don't agree with you Kyleran - all activities in Eve are for the purposes of PvP. For example, the 'exploration' is just to get resources for PvP and to be a target for PvPers.

It's like 'all roads leading to Rome'.

I'm not bothered that Empire space is less safe than it was.

However, what bothers me is Eve's single-minded focus on war.

The abandoned 'Walking in Stations' project would have fixed that.

My hopes are with Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen to make a sci-fi universe that's more well-rounded.

Mors.Magne · October 2016

Talonsin said:

I think CCP is in a tough position, they dont want to tick off their core players by making highsec a safer place but they also need to draw in some new blood. They have been losing players fairly steady since 2014.
Source: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

It will be interesting to see how they address things over the next year or two.

I think a far more practical problem is that CCP is based in Iceland. It must be very difficult to recruit and retain skillful developers.

Remember that CCP had to abandon the 'Walking in Stations' project. Since then, CCP comes across like a stagnent pond.

Gdemami · October 2016

Mors.Magne said:
However, what bothers me is Eve's single-minded focus on war.

That is your "single-minded focus", not the game...

Mors.Magne · October 2016

Gdemami said:

Mors.Magne said:
However, what bothers me is Eve's single-minded focus on war.
That is your "single-minded focus", not the game...

I disagree. In Eve, your options are:

> Fight
> Mine to get supplies for fighting
> 'Exploration' to get supplies for fighting
> Manufacture to get supplies for fighting.
> Trade to get supplies for fighting
> Socialise with the aim of getting ready for fighting

It's a pity that 'Walking in Stations' failed because Eve could have been so much more.

Gdemami · October 2016

Mors.Magne said:
I disagree. In Eve, your options are:

> Fight
> Mine to get supplies for fighting
> 'Exploration' to get supplies for fighting
> Manufacture to get supplies for fighting.
> Trade to get supplies for fighting
> Socialise with the aim of getting ready for fighting

It's a pity that 'Walking in Stations' failed because Eve could have been so much more.

See, I am right...

rodarin · October 2016

Eve was smoke and mirrors even at its height. The number of players were inflated greatly due to people having multiple accounts. While most people still have multiple acounts there are fewer bodies logging into them. Add that to the turnover of 'casual' people who came and went already and its a miracle there are still as many people playing as there are.

CCP will continue to cater to that core bunch and nothing will change. They did their best to add different content but it was too late and it didnt retain the people they thought it would. So I am sure they will step back and let it run on auto pilot for awhile and not add a lot of content going forward.

There are still enough people willing to play and pay to make it profitable I would say but its days of being a potential blockbuster have long gone by. 5 or 6 years ago was when that window shut. Failure to have avatars was the final nail.

cheyane · October 2016

What do you think is the retention rate of new players?

Quazal.A · October 2016

cheyane said:

What do you think is the retention rate of new players?

5%

or should say that used to be the target retention many moons ago when i worked (short period) as an ISD

Kyleran · October 2016

Mors.Magne said:

Gdemami said:

Mors.Magne said:
However, what bothers me is Eve's single-minded focus on war.
That is your "single-minded focus", not the game...

I disagree. In theme parks, your options are:

> Fight NPCs
> Mine to get supplies for fighting NPCs
> 'Exploration' to get supplies for fighting NPCs
> Manufacture to get supplies for fighting NPCs.
> Trade to get supplies for fighting NPCs
> Socialise with the aim of getting ready for fighting NPCs

It's a pity that 'Walking in Stations' failed because Eve could have been so much more.

Yeah, we could have been fighting inside stations

Fixed the above for you.

EVE vs theme parks, goals are pretty much the same, just a difference of who you fight, not if you fight.

It really is all in your head, I really don't play EVE to fight much at all, in fact I'm quite adept at avoiding it.

Malcanis · October 2016

Kyleran said:

suckm3 said:

Well, its like real life, isn't it? Everybody can kill, scam you as well. You have no protection either. Unless you never leave your cellar where you hide all the time

No, its not at all like real life where the punishments for those activities are very severe, which helps to keep their occurrence low, even here in Florida where I reside.

I wish CCP would up the penalties, I don't mind if they let people wantonly scam or kill, but the punishments should range from having your character unavailable for weeks or even months (and you would have to be subbed to burn off your time) to permadeath of known murderers who get caught and killed by other players.

PVP gank crowd doesnt have the stones for it however.

Why should it be up to CCP in up the penalties?

I ask because CCP don't enforce any penalties for piracy in 0.0 and yet no one there complains about it.

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