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PayPal data: 78% of U.S. gamers play on smartphones; PS4 edges out PC gaming

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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,878
    VR does not mean hardcore gaming. Hell, I would say that VR games are almost all super casual right now as they are all really just showing the tech and there are only a few real games out there for VR. VR is honestly so far off mainstream audiences at this point that it should not even be part of this conversation. 

    Some random dude or site declaring that mobile games are in the running for best game of the year means absolutely nothing. That is just pure opinion.
  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,078
    edited November 2016
    Celcius said:
    VR does not mean hardcore gaming. Hell, I would say that VR games are almost all super casual right now as they are all really just showing the tech and there are only a few real games out there for VR. VR is honestly so far off mainstream audiences at this point that it should not even be part of this conversation. 

    Some random dude or site declaring that mobile games are in the running for best game of the year means absolutely nothing. That is just pure opinion.
    Not "[s]ome random... site", Ars Technica.  They've been around since 1998.

    ...and VR has some very solid titles.  I understand the impression, as it started off with very limited content and still is fairly niche, but it's getting there.  There are at least a couple games out now for the Gear VR that I could see myself spending more time in than any game I own on Steam.

    Furthermore, the experience really is nothing like what the words "mobile gaming" conjures up, but that's what it is.  Therefore, we must re-examine the presumption that "[p]hones are only good for very casual gaming".

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    Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Celcius said:
    VR does not mean hardcore gaming. Hell, I would say that VR games are almost all super casual right now as they are all really just showing the tech and there are only a few real games out there for VR. VR is honestly so far off mainstream audiences at this point that it should not even be part of this conversation. 

    Some random dude or site declaring that mobile games are in the running for best game of the year means absolutely nothing. That is just pure opinion.
    Not "[s]ome random... site", Ars Technica.  They've been around since 1998.

    ...and VR has some very solid titles.  I understand the impression, as it started off with very limited content and still is fairly niche, but it's getting there.  There are at least a couple games out now for the Gear VR that I could see myself spending more time in than any game I own on Steam.
    I wish they would be more aggressive about porting those GearVR titles to Oculus. Its not a 100% coverage and I see some stuff on GearVR I would like to explore

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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,878
    edited November 2016
    Again, that is some random site on the internet that is purely based on opinion. Continuing to claim that it has any merit on this conversation is pointless. I don't care if they have been around since the internet came out. It is still just that, an opinion.

    VR means nothing. It is niche, if you think that VR is getting more main stream just because people with 600$ phones and people who already own consoles and want to pony up an additional 400$+ (Need move controller) are getting it you are truly lost. 

    VR may never even go mainstream, the companies currently supporting it are taking a huge risk. There are tons of obstacles that must be beaten in order for VR to become mainstream: It needs to be cheaper, it needs to not cause motion sickness for a lot of people, it needs to work perfectly with people who have poor eye site, it needs to not take up a ton of space (I am looking at you Vive), and there are probably a number of issues to tackle still. The tech is just not quite there yet. It will probably get there eventually, but it needs to get there quickly or it will die out like 3d TVs. 

    Either way, VR does not mean hardcore. Not even sure what you are implying there; maybe that spending more money makes you hardcore? 
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Celcius said:
    Again, that is some random site on the internet that is purely based on opinion. C....
    Ars Technica is not a random site and to be frank holds more creditably on tech and games then any poster here (at least without providing context).

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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,078
    Celcius said:
    Again, that is some random site on the internet that is purely based on opinion. Continuing to claim that it has any merit on this conversation is pointless. I don't care if they have been around since the internet came out. It is still just that, an opinion.

    VR means nothing. It is niche, if you think that VR is getting more main stream just because people with 600$ phones and people who already own consoles and want to pony up an additional 400$+ (Need move controller) are getting it you are truly lost. 

    VR may never even go mainstream, the companies currently supporting it are taking a huge risk. There are tons of obstacles that must be beaten in order for VR to become mainstream: It needs to be cheaper, it needs to not cause motion sickness for a lot of people, it needs to work perfectly with people who have poor eye site, it needs to not take up a ton of space (I am looking at you Vive), and there are probably a number of issues to tackle still. The tech is just not quite there yet. It will probably get there eventually, but it needs to get there quickly or it will die out like 3d TVs. 
    Well, I'd say Ars Technica has at least some merit.  True: many of their articles are opinions (including best games of the year).  However, I think it's safe to say an article published on their site may have a little more weight on average than a post selected randomly from this site.  In general, I've found their articles to be very good.  I respect their opinion, because it's well-researched and on point.

    I have at least one mobile game I take with me which I wouldn't have discovered had it not been for their yearly 'best of' list.  It truly does more or less fit the stereotype of what a mobile game "is", but it's very good.  There are also mobile games that are far more than this, one in particular that I've spent thousands (!) of hours in over the course of the game's lifetime.  The number of hours isn't because it's addicting or anything like that: I find it to be a very deep game.

    Regarding virtual reality: I think it's wise to be cautious.  Don't want to get caught up in any hype trains.  However, it is also possible to be overly dismal.  Right now, I think VR is compelling enough to not worry about "get[ting] there quickly" before dying out "like 3d TVs".  It has a purpose, and it brings something unique and interesting to the table.

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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,878
    I don't care who they are. There is no point in arguing that they have a more important opinion then anyone else. It is still an opinion. That would be like me saying IGN has the most valuable opinion on the internet. See how ridiculous that sounds? 
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited November 2016
    Celcius said:
    I don't care who they are. There is no point in arguing that they have a more important opinion then anyone else. It is still an opinion. That would be like me saying IGN has the most valuable opinion on the internet. See how ridiculous that sounds? 
    they do however.

    certiantly more than yours or mine to be frank

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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,078
    Celcius said:
    I don't care who they are. There is no point in arguing that they have a more important opinion then anyone else. It is still an opinion. That would be like me saying IGN has the most valuable opinion on the internet. See how ridiculous that sounds? 
    So... you think that a site which publishes articles including referenced sources about things like the history of video games and computer science is worth no more than anyone on mmorpg.com when it comes to opinions?  All opinions are created equally?

    "The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
    Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance

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