Also, (in relation to the wiki quote) was during the time Richard went into space. But NCsoft themselves agreed to it, they were NOT forced to fund his adventure into space. They didn't have to at all. And it was supposed to be a huge advertisement for Tabula Rasa. Now Richard of course probably always dreamed of going into space and saw a chance to. But NCsoft willlingly agreed to it. During that time, they did the above I quoted from the wiki (but tons of info on google about it if you don't like Wiki)
Then who knows why they terminated City of Heroes. CoH itself was a healthy MMO. And Auto Assault was kinda dead (so I'll give them credit there), but they didn't even give it a chance (like SOE would in their MMOs) or even barely advertise it.
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Then who knows why they terminated City of Heroes. CoH itself was a healthy MMO. And Auto Assault was kinda dead (so I'll give them credit there), but they didn't even give it a chance (like SOE would in their MMOs) or even barely advertise it.
CoH was not healthy, it was dying a slow and rather sad death. It was still making money... Sure but not healthy. Anyone who had been with it from before CoV saw the writing on the wall. No matter what they did... The number of people one saw online kept dropping.
Auto Assault was soo soo broken and iirc there was talk of the studio running out of money.
NCsoft is not the worst, although their fingernails can still reach low enough to touch the muck and mire at the bottom of the pit. Funcom is the worst. They roll around in the muck and tell everyone it is spring water.
I'll at least consider playing an NCsoft game, even thought they cancelled my all time favorite game CoH. This is not the case with Funcom games. I will never again play anything published by that company.
PWE is a funny world. They have some great games, and all of them eventually become P2W. However, the one game they offer with an optional sub, Star Trek Online, has excellent support. The rest of them are really a crapshoot depending on the position of the moon and the conjunctions of the planets and stars. I'm only mentioning this one because someone in an earlier post said they were awful.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
Since nobody else has asked, I have to know. What race are Westerners?
None. I was talking about the western MMO companies and developers. So every company in the western world (which was all three MMOs that had no chance under Ncsoft), tabula rasa/city of heroes and auto assault)
But I dunno, I played city of heroes to the end and it still seemed healthy. A lot healthier (and yes, CoH was before it) than most post-WoW MMOs.
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Since nobody else has asked, I have to know. What race are Westerners?
According to Huntington the "western" is usually Europe, US/Canada (+ green and iceland) and Australia. So... those i guess...
((yes i know what you are trying to say.... But for lack of a better word... it sort of works, especially if the only factor driving discrimination is that a person or legal entity is identified as "westerner"))
Since nobody else has asked, I have to know. What race are Westerners?
According to Huntington the "western" is usually Europe, US/Canada (+ green and iceland) and Australia. So... those i guess...
((yes i know what you are trying to say.... But for lack of a better word... it sort of works, especially if the only factor driving discrimination is that a person or legal entity is identified as "westerner"))
yeah, when talking about western games, those are the countries people are talking about. So the games are then called "Western" made games if they are made in one of the countries above.
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There are plenty of terrible MMO companies out there sadly. Still, the worst move ever was SOEs "Trials of obi wan" expansion for SWG. 9 Days after release they NGEd the game making the expansion totally useless.
Another dirty move was when Cryptic sold life time subs for STO until the week before they announced it as F2P.
Support for F2P games are minimal at best. There are a few exceptions but iit is one of the larger cuts when games go from P2P. That Wows support still is acceptable (but nowhere near what it was 10 years ago) is not that strange, P2P games should have good support, you are bleeding paying for that.
OK! We get it ! This seems to be about their past closed MMO's now !
Move on?
Tablua Rasa = Failed ! No , for real! Was in a very bad shape because of the "brothers"
Auto Assault = Interesting concept , yet failed to keep players. Not because of NcSoft , nor the ones who produced it ! Because of the players! It was a niche game!
COH = Theoretically , they could of keep the game .. alive, but NcSoft, as other companies, it's first a business company , and so they took the business decision. Like it or not , keeping 1 company with 1 game and with 1 server , isn't really a good business! But then again, conspiracy theories will come right now from the OP alike ( can hardly wait .. not )
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
NCsoft is huge, unfortunately they don't publish their own games outside of Korea though. They make fantastic games, just the publishers are garbage. NCwest isn't really NCsoft, just wanna make that clear. They have a completely different set of sketchy standards is arguably one of the worst companies in the industry.
Saying NCWest isn't really NCSoft is like saying Sony Pictures isn't really Sony. . .
. . .I mean unless being a 100% company owned subsidiary now means you are NOT part of the company.
. . .I must have missed that memo.
It was a memo you should have got a long time ago.
Context provides focus, focus provides clarity.
When two connected companies differ in how they do customer service one should distinguish between them when speaking within that context.
NCsoft is huge, unfortunately they don't publish their own games outside of Korea though. They make fantastic games, just the publishers are garbage. NCwest isn't really NCsoft, just wanna make that clear. They have a completely different set of sketchy standards is arguably one of the worst companies in the industry.
Saying NCWest isn't really NCSoft is like saying Sony Pictures isn't really Sony. . .
. . .I mean unless being a 100% company owned subsidiary now means you are NOT part of the company.
. . .I must have missed that memo.
You've obviously. They've one unifying board of directors and one owner, but NCW and NCE have different bosses do they not? Would that not mean that they also have different rules and standards? Also, NCW could've been another company before that NCE canni...I mean assimilated. So, they could still have some of the former rules. NCE is NCE, what can I say?
Neither legally, nor factually(only perhaps morally, but what's morality got to do with / in business?) is there any obligation for NCW, which operates in the US, to operate at the same set of rules as NCE, which operates in S.Korea, does(different legal systems after all). Where'd you get that memo?
That's not how subsidiaries work.
Yes a subsidiary might have their own Management structure but make no mistake it is usually the parent company that makes most of the big decisions with the Subsidiary only given leeway in how they complete the Parent company's directives.
think of NCWest as a Captain and NCSoft as an Admiral in the same Navy. . . the Admiral gives the Captain a mission the Captain then executes that mission with the help of his officers and crew.
and of course NCWest operates under different regulations than NCSoft, that's a given.
. . .you really don't know much about Multinational Corporations do you?
NCsoft is huge, unfortunately they don't publish their own games outside of Korea though. They make fantastic games, just the publishers are garbage. NCwest isn't really NCsoft, just wanna make that clear. They have a completely different set of sketchy standards is arguably one of the worst companies in the industry.
Saying NCWest isn't really NCSoft is like saying Sony Pictures isn't really Sony. . .
. . .I mean unless being a 100% company owned subsidiary now means you are NOT part of the company.
. . .I must have missed that memo.
It was a memo you should have got a long time ago.
Context provides focus, focus provides clarity.
When two connected companies differ in how they do customer service one should distinguish between them when speaking within that context.
When you dismiss the context, you miss the point.
uhhh what?
I never said NCSoft operated the exact same as NCWest.
only that they are the same company in response to the wrong opinion that they are not.
NCsoft is huge, unfortunately they don't publish their own games outside of Korea though. They make fantastic games, just the publishers are garbage. NCwest isn't really NCsoft, just wanna make that clear. They have a completely different set of sketchy standards is arguably one of the worst companies in the industry.
Saying NCWest isn't really NCSoft is like saying Sony Pictures isn't really Sony. . .
. . .I mean unless being a 100% company owned subsidiary now means you are NOT part of the company.
. . .I must have missed that memo.
You've obviously. They've one unifying board of directors and one owner, but NCW and NCE have different bosses do they not? Would that not mean that they also have different rules and standards? Also, NCW could've been another company before that NCE canni...I mean assimilated. So, they could still have some of the former rules. NCE is NCE, what can I say?
Neither legally, nor factually(only perhaps morally, but what's morality got to do with / in business?) is there any obligation for NCW, which operates in the US, to operate at the same set of rules as NCE, which operates in S.Korea, does(different legal systems after all). Where'd you get that memo?
Are you serious?
Doesn't matter what director , vice-president , etc has NcWest as long as the "mother" Ncsoft Korea is taking the decisions.
Put it this way ! It's like Trion with Archeage. They are publishing the game, but they have no power in decisions , beside , here and there non important ones.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
When I started playing Wildstar 2 years ago I wanted to change my password. I couldn't and I still can't. Every time I try it tells me the problem will be fixed "soon". It's just easier to use the old password.
Nobody really knows what went on there with Tabula Rasa, NCSoft and Garriot, but i doubt WildStar was the case. TR was shut down in 2009, WS was released in 2014. Even if they expected it to be released earlier, they would shut it down shortly before or so.
W* took a lot longer to develop than planned. I can see them canceling one game to shift focus to another they thought was going to be a big money maker.
Meh. Fuck NCSoft. That whole "transfer your account within x period of time or lose everything you paid for over the years" is just complete and utter garbage.
Typical example of their company though, and why I won't touch their products with a ten foot pole. Those who hate on EA should really spend some significant time with NCSoft. It'll be a world changer for those people. :chuffed:
Yeah but hating on EA gets these guys upvotes, smiley faces, and pats on the backs. They need to feel included in something in their life and bashing NCSoft won't fill that void of acceptance.
So first. NCsoft support...no joke...goes to some "support" company in India (literally it does. I looked it up). Who isn't even part of NCsoft. Literally NCsoft hired outside support. They are also the rudest customer support people I ever saw for an MMO company.
So here I am, wanting to play Aion again with my small group of friends who wanted to play for a month to see how it was. This was a year ago.
However, because I never bothered to switch account types...yes, they actually changed their account system and if you didn't do it when they wanted, you lose your account...forever. Which happened to me. Blizzard has never once switched their account system to where you need to re-signup and transfer over. And if they did, they would be sure it was all automated. Imagine how many subscribers and fans they'd lose if they did that and it wasn't automated?
So I send NCsoft an email. I didn't want my account back. I wanted my collector edition items. That is all, just my CE items. Didn't care about anything else
And then this rude customer support guy responds (and the way it was worded in the entire email made it feel like he didn't even give a shit), literally "almost" word for word "Sorry, we do not have the authority to do that. You can buy the game again, since you missed your chance to transfer your account."
And then, without even me letting me respond. They automatically closed it and I could never respond again. I sent a second support email to try again, but it was automatically closed...and no joke...I was banned for harassing customer support ROFL. Even though all I did was copy/paste my first support request, so it wasn't even worded different.
Also, Aion is free...and he is supposed to be customer support...how are they not allowed to give CE items? The crappiest support I ever saw. Do note, I also provided my collector edition CD key with the usual required info.
Also, why did he say I can buy the game again? Aion is free to play lol. Did he not know anything about Aion?
NCsoft in general is an evil company. I'd say the EA of the MMO world. They sabotaged Tabula Rasa (the court found them guilty, that automatically means NCsoft was guilty no matter what any fan of NCsoft says otherwise)...because they thought it would compete with Wildstar. I'll pause as you all laugh. Literally that is why they sabotaged Tabula Rasa, because they thought it was a threat to their flagship Wildstar.
Then City of Heroes (which WAS making a positive income) got shut down because no idea why. For greed I'd guess. There was something about them getting a huge bunch of money for doing it or something. Pure greed. On top of that, they refused to sell the rights to City of Heroes (even though it was in the positive income)...because...all I can think is they are pure evil.
Auto Assault was an awesome MMO, too bad it was under NCsoft. They NEVER paid a cent for advertising, they screwed the developers and then shut the game down.
NCsoft doesn't just have one of the worst customer support groups, but is one of the worst MMO companies in the world that currently exists.
My theory is they are actually racists against western companies. Either that or the greediest MMO company in the world. They seem to HATE western games, like CoH, Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault. Even if they make at least even or positive income. Don't even give them a chance. And I guess there is GW2...is that a western company? If so that is only exception alongside Wildstar.
But, I can't think however of any other reason why they'd destroy their own games, but either because they are racist against certain people, or just pure evil greed.
Doesn't help their customer support is as useful as me arguing against a brickwall. And how rude they are. And know nothing or little about NCsoft games rofl. Go figure because the support company NCsoft hired has nothing to do at all with NCsoft, except NCsoft hired them rofl.
I'll save you a lot of effort:
Aion =
Elyos win, Asmodians lose.
If you want to play Elyos you will spend most of your day searching for a poor Asmodian to slaughter. If you play Asmodian you will be that guy all the Elyos are looking for and spend most of your day bank-staring.
Also, I did in fact, for no reason other than to test, bot a character from 1 to max level over the course of 5 months nonstop in grindmobs, and although I was probably reported at least 150 times it never got banned.
I quit the game, I have a max level Chanter that I enjoy but the game is so population imbalanced it's unplayable. I also have a max level Priest but I have no clue how to play it because I botted it to max LOL.
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Then who knows why they terminated City of Heroes. CoH itself was a healthy MMO. And Auto Assault was kinda dead (so I'll give them credit there), but they didn't even give it a chance (like SOE would in their MMOs) or even barely advertise it.
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/skyrim-anime-overhaul
Auto Assault was soo soo broken and iirc there was talk of the studio running out of money.
This have been a good conversation
I'll at least consider playing an NCsoft game, even thought they cancelled my all time favorite game CoH. This is not the case with Funcom games. I will never again play anything published by that company.
PWE is a funny world. They have some great games, and all of them eventually become P2W. However, the one game they offer with an optional sub, Star Trek Online, has excellent support. The rest of them are really a crapshoot depending on the position of the moon and the conjunctions of the planets and stars. I'm only mentioning this one because someone in an earlier post said they were awful.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
But I dunno, I played city of heroes to the end and it still seemed healthy. A lot healthier (and yes, CoH was before it) than most post-WoW MMOs.
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/skyrim-anime-overhaul
((yes i know what you are trying to say.... But for lack of a better word... it sort of works, especially if the only factor driving discrimination is that a person or legal entity is identified as "westerner"))
This have been a good conversation
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/skyrim-anime-overhaul
Another dirty move was when Cryptic sold life time subs for STO until the week before they announced it as F2P.
Support for F2P games are minimal at best. There are a few exceptions but iit is one of the larger cuts when games go from P2P. That Wows support still is acceptable (but nowhere near what it was 10 years ago) is not that strange, P2P games should have good support, you are bleeding paying for that.
Mainly humans, some dwarfs and elves.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Move on?
Tablua Rasa = Failed ! No , for real! Was in a very bad shape because of the "brothers"
Auto Assault = Interesting concept , yet failed to keep players. Not because of NcSoft , nor the ones who produced it ! Because of the players! It was a niche game!
COH = Theoretically , they could of keep the game .. alive, but NcSoft, as other companies, it's first a business company , and so they took the business decision. Like it or not , keeping 1 company with 1 game and with 1 server , isn't really a good business! But then again, conspiracy theories will come right now from the OP alike ( can hardly wait .. not
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
I play MMOs for the Forum PVP
Context provides focus, focus provides clarity.
When two connected companies differ in how they do customer service one should distinguish between them when speaking within that context.
When you dismiss the context, you miss the point.
Yes a subsidiary might have their own Management structure but make no mistake it is usually the parent company that makes most of the big decisions with the Subsidiary only given leeway in how they complete the Parent company's directives.
think of NCWest as a Captain and NCSoft as an Admiral in the same Navy. . . the Admiral gives the Captain a mission the Captain then executes that mission with the help of his officers and crew.
and of course NCWest operates under different regulations than NCSoft, that's a given.
. . .you really don't know much about Multinational Corporations do you?
I never said NCSoft operated the exact same as NCWest.
only that they are the same company in response to the wrong opinion that they are not.
Doesn't matter what director , vice-president , etc has NcWest as long as the "mother" Ncsoft Korea is taking the decisions.
Put it this way ! It's like Trion with Archeage. They are publishing the game, but they have no power in decisions , beside , here and there non important ones.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Aion =
Elyos win, Asmodians lose.
If you want to play Elyos you will spend most of your day searching for a poor Asmodian to slaughter.
If you play Asmodian you will be that guy all the Elyos are looking for and spend most of your day bank-staring.
Also, I did in fact, for no reason other than to test, bot a character from 1 to max level over the course of 5 months nonstop in grindmobs, and although I was probably reported at least 150 times it never got banned.
I quit the game, I have a max level Chanter that I enjoy but the game is so population imbalanced it's unplayable. I also have a max level Priest but I have no clue how to play it because I botted it to max LOL.
They certainly have some stiff competition in Aeria Games, Perfect World, and Nexon, among others.
The real question is - what publishers do people like? Surely that list must go beyond Blizzard.
I would jump over anything for a sequel to Lineage 2 or Aion.
Ncsoft is pretty frustrating I do agree. Their support is awful. I remember having to deal with all that account mess for aion and gw and such.
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