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I have found my home, ex-SWG refugees look here

admriker444admriker444 Member Posts: 1,526

Tired of settling for games that dont come close to what swg pre-cu had ? I know I was. I had tried....

AO, EVE, SoR, FoM, AA, and several smaller MMO and nothing could come close enough to satisfy my lust for the features of swg.

Anyway, I found out about Roma Victor. The game has everything (excpet sci fi) swg had. I think its also important to note that this game is made by a small independent developer who could use our support. Folks complain about lack of innovation in today's MMO's, well here's one that isnt dumbed down.

The game cost me roughly $26 to pre-order (converted) and no monthly feee. You can purchase in-game content and their version of currency I believe.

Features

skill based system - no levels whatsoever

crafting - extremely complex crafting that is heavily player interdependent on others for making products. For example, you might be a crafter of spear shafts which a weaponsmith would need to complete crafting of a spear. There are far more specialized crafting professions than even swg had.

housing - one difference here is RV homes can be destroyed. You can hire npc guards to protect them

And much much more. Here's a link to their features...

http://www.roma-victor.com/game/

Here's the skill tree for crafting....



animal-handling    
domestic  
taming  
dangerous
training
basic    
camping  
digging  
distance-running  
driving  
firestarting  
fishing  
coastal
freshwater
sea
foraging  
marching  
sense-of-direction  
swimming  
brewing    
beer  
spirits  
wine  
mead  
carpentry    
furniture  
structural  
vehicles  
wheels  
combat    
archery  
axe  
large
small
battleaxe
ballistics  
ballista
manuballista
onager
repeating-ballista
barge  
battle-management  
roman-technique
block  
blunt  
heavy
light
brawling  
headbutting
dagger  
dodge  
net  
parry  
slam  
spear  
melee
thrown
sword  
long
short
two-handed
construction    
bridges  
buildings  
aqueducts
monuments
temples
villas
concrete  
applying
mixing
fortifications  
joinery  
roads  
thatch  
tiling  
cooking    
baking  
frying  
food-preparation  
seasoning
roasting  
deception    
hiding  
sneaking
farming    
bees  
cereals  
groves  
harvesting  
irrigation  
livestock  
dairy
silkworms  
sowing  
vineyards  
grooming    
hairstyling  
handcraft    
instruments  
jewelry  
leatherwork  
tattoos  
advanced-tools  
horseriding    
bareback  
mounted-combat  
mounted-archery
mounted-melee
romansaddle  
hunting    
skinning  
tanning
tracking  
people
wildlife
trapping  
lore    
prayer  
blessing
cursing
ritual  
divination
invocation
masonry    
limestone  
quarrying  
asbestus
marble
milling    
mechanical  
mining    
copper  
iron  
precious  
gems
tin  
zinc  
music    
horns  
keyboard  
hydraulus
percussion  
strings  
woodwind  
pottery    
detail  
smelting    
alloys  
gold  
steel  
quicksilver  
smithing    
armour  
lamination
refinements
assess  
assess-armour
assess-weapon
livery  
weapons  
blades
weapon-decoration
tailoring    
sewing  
togas  
female
male
trousers  
tunics  
textiles    
dying  
fulling  
spinning  
weaving  
treatment    
ailments  
injuries  
lotions  
tonics  
wounds  
woodcutting    
felling  
preparing  
stripping

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Comments

  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261

    Was it you I remember dissing SOE for talking about making a future game of theirs work in a simillar way to Roma Victor?

    Buying in-game stuff with RL money that is...

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  • avelekavelek Member Posts: 34

    Definitely been looking forward to a couple games that seemed innovative. This one, Chronicle and Trials of Ascension. Don't know about pre-ordering though. Thats always a concern with smaller companies. I was considering it, but the graphic were a bit concerning. They're not awful, but they could definitely be better.

    I assume you're getting access to the beta now? I know your binded by the NDA, but let me know what I should do :P

  • Ransom73Ransom73 Member Posts: 227
    Shouldn't your "source" in SOE/BioWare/whatever have updated you by now?  You're slacking, man....
  • admriker444admriker444 Member Posts: 1,526



    Originally posted by Ransom73
    Shouldn't your "source" in SOE/BioWare/whatever have updated you by now?  You're slacking, man....

    my source didnt get the job so no more info Im afraid

  • admriker444admriker444 Member Posts: 1,526


    Originally posted by avelek

    Definitely been looking forward to a couple games that seemed innovative. This one, Chronicle and Trials of Ascension. Don't know about pre-ordering though. Thats always a concern with smaller companies. I was considering it, but the graphic were a bit concerning. They're not awful, but they could definitely be better.
    I assume you're getting access to the beta now? I know your binded by the NDA, but let me know what I should do :P



    The graphics are much better than those screenshots I saw. Most of them were taken with the settings turned down I am told (their official forums)very early in development. Im in the beta now and its much much better. Id say its better than SWG but not as good as EQ2 (although EQ2 looks plastic)

  • admriker444admriker444 Member Posts: 1,526


    Originally posted by Obraik

    Was it you I remember dissing SOE for talking about making a future game of theirs work in a simillar way to Roma Victor?
    Buying in-game stuff with RL money that is...


    SOE will sell items like weapons and armor. RV doesnt go to those extremes thankfully because the economy is player run
  • avelekavelek Member Posts: 34

    Yeah I heard the same thing about the graphics, which is why I didn't totally dismiss it. Are they still projecting the release date listed on here?

  • ElnatorElnator Member Posts: 6,077

    Umm sorry... how is the "economy" player run when you can buy items AND MONEY for rl cash?  That's not an economy worth being part of, imo.  It's going to cause incredible price inflation. 

    Like I said in your OTHER thread about this (how many forums did you post this in anyway?) I'm not bothering with RV till it's been on shelves a while.  Probably something like 6 months or so and only if there's a free trial.

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  • admriker444admriker444 Member Posts: 1,526


    Originally posted by avelek

    Yeah I heard the same thing about the graphics, which is why I didn't totally dismiss it. Are they still projecting the release date listed on here?


    early July

    and pre-ordered gets access 2 weeks early (mid june) plus immediate beta testing

  • RekrulRekrul Member Posts: 2,961

    Seeing is believing. I'll wait till a trial of sorts is available. Many things look good on papter, every game has die-hard fans, but I prefer to test myself, to see if it fits me.

    But it's good to know, the original SWG concepts are still being tried.

  • swiftflowswiftflow Member Posts: 239

    For those of you who are looking to Roma Victor as your next home are going to be in for a serious rude awakening.

  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928


    Originally posted by Elnator

    Umm sorry... how is the "economy" player run when you can buy items AND MONEY for rl cash? 


    You just answered your own question.

    "There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
    — Boba Fett

  • BaselineBaseline Member Posts: 503

    I saw some of this game, read up on it. I does seem to be a bit more of the sandbox type of game that old SWG was, but to be honest I'm a bit worried about player base size with this game. It isn't very popular from what I understand, and depending on how many servers they put up, it could feel not so "massively" multiplayer.

  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928


    Originally posted by swiftflow

    For those of you who are looking to Roma Victor as your next home are going to be in for a serious rude awakening.


    Elaborate...?

    "There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
    — Boba Fett

  • Roma looks kinda of cool and I'll probably try it.

    I'm waiting for Hero's Journey though for certain. Besides, a former guildmate of mine from SWG works for them. He's keeps saying "At least SOE is teaching me what not to do."

    I still miss the old days on Corbantis though.

  • chlaoschlaos Member Posts: 1,118
    Ive been following RV for awhile now, and what they are trying to do sounds great.   They still have a lot of work to do to live up to the promise, but if they even get most of it done it should be a cool game.   Its definitely encouraging that they are taking a swing at it.   

    "The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin

  • zoey121zoey121 Member Posts: 926

    i am glad you found something to be excited about, it just doesn't grab me.

    The real life coins for in game items bug me as well. As far as doing something now na im floundering at the moment. Maybe just plug in consoles for a while see what else is down the road

  • Aetius73Aetius73 Member Posts: 1,257


    Originally posted by Baseline

    I saw some of this game, read up on it. I does seem to be a bit more of the sandbox type of game that old SWG was, but to be honest I'm a bit worried about player base size with this game. It isn't very popular from what I understand, and depending on how many servers they put up, it could feel not so "massively" multiplayer.


    There is only gonna be one server just like in EVE. RB figured one half-size model of Western Europe should fit everyone quite nicely with room to spare.
  • MordahMordah Member Posts: 199


    Originally posted by Elnator

    Umm sorry... how is the "economy" player run when you can buy items AND MONEY for rl cash?  That's not an economy worth being part of, imo.  It's going to cause incredible price inflation. 
    Like I said in your OTHER thread about this (how many forums did you post this in anyway?) I'm not bothering with RV till it's been on shelves a while.  Probably something like 6 months or so and only if there's a free trial.


    It isn't going to be on shelves.  It is digital download only and the preorder is only something like $35 U.S.  It also has no monthly fee so there will be no free trial.  And while I don't agree necessarily with the selling of in-game credits for real world money the fact is that gold farmers do it in every other game already.  At least with the company doing it they can control the value of the ingame credits.  Its also a player run economy from the standpoint that the best pieces aren't looted, but made by players.

    You also don't have to buy credits if you don't want to and they said they are going to monitor how many credits are in the system and adjust the real world price to influence inflation issues somewhat.  You can still earn credits by doing missions, killing things, etc just like every other MMO, but if you want more credits for something like an elaborate estate in a prime location for instance you can buy them rather than killing a zillion rats or whatever.

    I think this game has real potential, but it seems a little too experimental in some areas so I'm a little leery at the moment.  If there is any backlash to be had though it will be from gold farming companies that won't be able to overmanipulate the system like they can in other games.

  • New_to_MMONew_to_MMO Member Posts: 71

    You can't buy in game items, only in game credits. there is also a limit on the amount of credits you can purchase per month...something equivalent to a montly fee for a normal MMO or perhaps a few bucks more if you so desire.

    This is definately my next game, preordered the first day it was available.

  • admriker444admriker444 Member Posts: 1,526

    Here's the problem I see. Folks complain about wanting swg pre-cu features yet they dont want to take a chance on a game that implements those same features.

    SWG failed with its sandbox skill system. If developers like Roma Victor fail also, why would any future developer design a similiar system.

    I know its kinda the chicken and egg thingie but if nobody buys this game, the money to implement everything we want may not be there to finish it. Take Face of Mankind for example, small time company that just didnt have the funds to make the game decent faded out. If nobody gives RV  a shot and has the attitude of wait and see, it may never materialize.

    Others have commented that the game may not be so "massive" so they wont play it. Well, it everyone has that opinion nobody will jump in to play.

    Games like EVE are the exception folks. For every EVE that slowly grows and improves, there are a hundred Face of Mankinds out there.

    I for one will take the chance. Isnt it worth it if the game even delivers half of what we miss from SWG ?

  • Dis_OrdurDis_Ordur Member Posts: 1,501


    Originally posted by admriker444

    Here's the problem I see. Folks complain about wanting swg pre-cu features yet they dont want to take a chance on a game that implements those same features.
    SWG failed with its sandbox skill system. If developers like Roma Victor fail also, why would any future developer design a similiar system.
    I know its kinda the chicken and egg thingie but if nobody buys this game, the money to implement everything we want may not be there to finish it. Take Face of Mankind for example, small time company that just didnt have the funds to make the game decent faded out. If nobody gives RV  a shot and has the attitude of wait and see, it may never materialize.
    Others have commented that the game may not be so "massive" so they wont play it. Well, it everyone has that opinion nobody will jump in to play.
    Games like EVE are the exception folks. For every EVE that slowly grows and improves, there are a hundred Face of Mankinds out there.
    I for one will take the chance. Isnt it worth it if the game even delivers half of what we miss from SWG ?


    Funny what a "Preview" can do huh?  I am intersted too...  Is there an NDA on beta right now?  Can you tell me what it is like?  Fun?

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  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928


    Originally posted by admriker444

    Here's the problem I see. Folks complain about wanting swg pre-cu features yet they dont want to take a chance on a game that implements those same features.
    SWG failed with its sandbox skill system. If developers like Roma Victor fail also, why would any future developer design a similiar system.
    I know its kinda the chicken and egg thingie but if nobody buys this game, the money to implement everything we want may not be there to finish it. Take Face of Mankind for example, small time company that just didnt have the funds to make the game decent faded out. If nobody gives RV  a shot and has the attitude of wait and see, it may never materialize.
    Others have commented that the game may not be so "massive" so they wont play it. Well, it everyone has that opinion nobody will jump in to play.
    Games like EVE are the exception folks. For every EVE that slowly grows and improves, there are a hundred Face of Mankinds out there.
    I for one will take the chance. Isnt it worth it if the game even delivers half of what we miss from SWG ?


    Im gonna give this game a shot as well. The problem is the majority of former swg players minds have been warped by Vanguard, which will bomb faster than MxO. The only reason lots of people are kissing Vanguard ass is because its got some bigheadname guy involved with it, who I dont give a shit about, that 1 person cant do everything on his own, the entire team needs involvement. And it looks like Roma Victor will provide most of the things we miss from old SWG.

    "There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
    — Boba Fett

  • Aetius73Aetius73 Member Posts: 1,257


    Originally posted by Spathotan
    Im gonna give this game a shot as well. The problem is the majority of former swg players minds have been warped by Vanguard, which will bomb faster than MxO. The only reason lots of people are kissing Vanguard ass is because its got some bigheadname guy involved with it, who I dont give a shit about, that 1 person cant do everything on his own, the entire team needs involvement. And it looks like Roma Victor will provide most of the things we miss from old SWG.


    Yeah I hear ya after getting burned by a big company the last go round you'd think they would jump at the chance to get into an MMO with no "suits" in charge of things. Before you know it if Vanguard does succeed the suits are gonna decide its not "Vanguardy" enough and order up a round of improvements to increase subscription revenue (ie. making the game more accessible to the average idiot). The larger MMO's are trying to make everyone happy. After the SWG lesson I think I am gonna stick to MMO's that focus on the things I like which means smaller companies like CCP and RB.
  • chocoboriderchocoborider Member Posts: 23

    The problem I have with RV is setting pure and simple. The whole 'Ancient Rome' thing just isn't doing it for me. Beggers probably shouldn't be quite this choosey, but dang SOE/LA for setting the bar so high, and then yanking the event. It's just torture to know I want THAT..and be told, "You can't have it anymore because we decided you should want this instead."

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