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Duncan Jones on a Warcraft-movie sequel...

VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
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Interview here:
https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/warcraft-sequel-box-office-reviews-duncan-jones-interview

Jones on twitter:

Under the right conditions, I'd love to do another one! https://t.co/oLR3JNpEHH

— Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

@cuuixsilver lower budget, less cooks in the kitchen. ;)

— Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

The last statement reads like too many people had a say in the first movie and made work rather uncomfortable for Jones, which wouldn't surprise me at all.


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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    If they made a sequel I certainly wouldn't watch it any less than the first one.... Considering I haven't seen the first one.
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  • AnnwynAnnwyn Member UncommonPosts: 2,854
    I liked part of the movie, especially the Orc elements. As far as the Alliance side of the story, I thought they had done an absolutely awful job with the casting, especially the king and queen.
  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519
    Why?  The first one bombed big time.

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  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
    edited November 2016
    Aori said:
    I still think it suffered by not having that extra 40 minutes.. I really want to see that 40 minutes we didn't get.
    From that interview:

    Is there a three-hour version of Warcraft?
    No, there's not. A lot of people ask me, "When is the director's cut coming out?" There will never be a director's cut.

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  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 5,078
    MisterZebub said:
    Volgore said:
    Interview here:
    https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/warcraft-sequel-box-office-reviews-duncan-jones-interview

    Jones on twitter:

    Under the right conditions, I'd love to do another one! https://t.co/oLR3JNpEHH

    — Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

    @cuuixsilver lower budget, less cooks in the kitchen. ;)

    — Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

    The last statement reads like too many people had a say in the first movie and made work rather uncomfortable for Jones, which wouldn't surprise me at all.


    That's exactly what happened. Same with Joss Whedon and Avengers Age of Ultron. And possibly why Tim Miller walked away from Deadpool 2. The larger the budget the larger the pack of rabid corporate bean counting weasels that think they should have a say in how a film project is made. Usually to their determent as their stupid made by committee and focus groups films tend to make less money than ones made by people who know what they're doing, you know ACTUAL film makers.
    Wait there isn't going to be a Dead Pool 2??!!! That sucks.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited November 2016
    Volgore said:
    Interview here:
    https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/warcraft-sequel-box-office-reviews-duncan-jones-interview

    Jones on twitter:

    Under the right conditions, I'd love to do another one! https://t.co/oLR3JNpEHH

    — Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

    @cuuixsilver lower budget, less cooks in the kitchen. ;)

    — Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

    The last statement reads like too many people had a say in the first movie and made work rather uncomfortable for Jones, which wouldn't surprise me at all.


    That's exactly what happened. Same with Joss Whedon and Avengers Age of Ultron. And possibly why Tim Miller walked away from Deadpool 2. The larger the budget the larger the pack of rabid corporate bean counting weasels that think they should have a say in how a film project is made. Usually to their determent as their stupid made by committee and focus groups films tend to make less money than ones made by people who know what they're doing, you know ACTUAL film makers.
    Except in this case it was Blizzard who called the shots. They threw out the initial concept - delaying the film by a couple of years or so (adding cost); didn't like the Raimi helmed script dumping him for Jones and a new script - so another couple of years or so delay and yet more cost. And then (reportedly) rejected Universal's suggested release dates (potentially sacrificing box office takings opting instead to go with the promotional value.) Blizzard - by all accounts - were the ones in control.

    Whether this was "good" or "bad" we will never know. Maybe it was "good" for WoW the game but "bad" financially for the film. Shrug.

    I think it fair to say though that if the film had been guided by "rabid bean counting weasels" it would have been a) released earlier b) a simpler tale of humans vs. orcs c) more "action orientated".
  • maybebakedmaybebaked Member UncommonPosts: 305
    waynejr2 said:
    If they made a sequel I certainly wouldn't watch it any less than the first one.... Considering I haven't seen the first one.
    Good thing you cleared that up. I was truly concerned.
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    MisterZebub said:
    Volgore said:
    Interview here:
    https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/warcraft-sequel-box-office-reviews-duncan-jones-interview

    Jones on twitter:

    Under the right conditions, I'd love to do another one! https://t.co/oLR3JNpEHH

    — Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

    @cuuixsilver lower budget, less cooks in the kitchen. ;)

    — Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

    The last statement reads like too many people had a say in the first movie and made work rather uncomfortable for Jones, which wouldn't surprise me at all.


    That's exactly what happened. Same with Joss Whedon and Avengers Age of Ultron. And possibly why Tim Miller walked away from Deadpool 2. The larger the budget the larger the pack of rabid corporate bean counting weasels that think they should have a say in how a film project is made. Usually to their determent as their stupid made by committee and focus groups films tend to make less money than ones made by people who know what they're doing, you know ACTUAL film makers.
    Deadpool 2 has such a small budget I doubt they can afford to hire anyone.  But yea this guy can keep dreaming.  The movie actually needs to start making money first.  It is more likely to see a Chinese movie then anything.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,936
    Why?  The first one bombed big time.
    Well, apparently only in the states and the UK ...

    Warcraft made loads of money in China.
    China was awesome, obviously. It's still a hotbed of Warcraft-playing.

    We actually had incredible success in most of Europe, too. The UK, similar to the US, got down on the film fairly early on. But in Russia, Germany, France, Spain, pretty much any European country, and in China and Korea, we did incredibly well.

    A lot of people like to quote the numbers that we did in China but we did just as much money and the rest of Europe. It made good money around the world and was really enjoyed around the world, too.

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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Sovrath said:
    Why?  The first one bombed big time.
    Well, apparently only in the states and the UK ...

    Warcraft made loads of money in China.
    China was awesome, obviously. It's still a hotbed of Warcraft-playing.

    We actually had incredible success in most of Europe, too. The UK, similar to the US, got down on the film fairly early on. But in Russia, Germany, France, Spain, pretty much any European country, and in China and Korea, we did incredibly well.

    A lot of people like to quote the numbers that we did in China but we did just as much money and the rest of Europe. It made good money around the world and was really enjoyed around the world, too.

    That is stretching it quite a bit.  If you subtract the money from China then all they got left is 165 million.  14 France, 15 Germany, 22 Russia.   Not really sure if you can call that successful for a movie that costs 160 million to make.
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  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
    edited November 2016
    Call me when they start doing warcraft 3 movie trilogy . (human - undead - night elf)

  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    MisterZebub said:
    Asheram said:
    MisterZebub said:
    Volgore said:
    Interview here:
    https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/warcraft-sequel-box-office-reviews-duncan-jones-interview

    Jones on twitter:

    Under the right conditions, I'd love to do another one! https://t.co/oLR3JNpEHH

    — Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

    @cuuixsilver lower budget, less cooks in the kitchen. ;)

    — Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

    The last statement reads like too many people had a say in the first movie and made work rather uncomfortable for Jones, which wouldn't surprise me at all.


    That's exactly what happened. Same with Joss Whedon and Avengers Age of Ultron. And possibly why Tim Miller walked away from Deadpool 2. The larger the budget the larger the pack of rabid corporate bean counting weasels that think they should have a say in how a film project is made. Usually to their determent as their stupid made by committee and focus groups films tend to make less money than ones made by people who know what they're doing, you know ACTUAL film makers.
    Wait there isn't going to be a Dead Pool 2??!!! That sucks.
    Oh there will still be a Deadpool 2, Tim Miller just won't be directing.
    Tim Miller wanted the movie to take a more serious note.  Which is why the producers wanted him to go somewhere else instead of fighting over it like they did in the first movie.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    filmoret said:
    MisterZebub said:
    Asheram said:
    MisterZebub said:
    Volgore said:
    Interview here:
    https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/warcraft-sequel-box-office-reviews-duncan-jones-interview

    Jones on twitter:

    Under the right conditions, I'd love to do another one! https://t.co/oLR3JNpEHH

    — Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

    @cuuixsilver lower budget, less cooks in the kitchen. ;)

    — Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) November 21, 2016

    The last statement reads like too many people had a say in the first movie and made work rather uncomfortable for Jones, which wouldn't surprise me at all.


    That's exactly what happened. Same with Joss Whedon and Avengers Age of Ultron. And possibly why Tim Miller walked away from Deadpool 2. The larger the budget the larger the pack of rabid corporate bean counting weasels that think they should have a say in how a film project is made. Usually to their determent as their stupid made by committee and focus groups films tend to make less money than ones made by people who know what they're doing, you know ACTUAL film makers.
    Wait there isn't going to be a Dead Pool 2??!!! That sucks.
    Oh there will still be a Deadpool 2, Tim Miller just won't be directing.
    Tim Miller wanted the movie to take a more serious note.  Which is why the producers wanted him to go somewhere else instead of fighting over it like they did in the first movie.

    I heard it was over budget and only after the fact it was frame as "more serious note".
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  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    I found it moderately entertaining. Worth the 5 bucks it cost me to rent. 
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
    gervaise1 said:
    That's exactly what happened. Same with Joss Whedon and Avengers Age of Ultron. And possibly why Tim Miller walked away from Deadpool 2. The larger the budget the larger the pack of rabid corporate bean counting weasels that think they should have a say in how a film project is made. Usually to their determent as their stupid made by committee and focus groups films tend to make less money than ones made by people who know what they're doing, you know ACTUAL film makers.
    Except in this case it was Blizzard who called the shots. They threw out the initial concept - delaying the film by a couple of years or so (adding cost); didn't like the Raimi helmed script dumping him for Jones and a new script - so another couple of years or so delay and yet more cost. And then (reportedly) rejected Universal's suggested release dates (potentially sacrificing box office takings opting instead to go with the promotional value.) Blizzard - by all accounts - were the ones in control.


    I was about to post something exactly like this, but didn't want to get called "Blizzard hater" again or alarm the forum's Blizzard defence force.

    Blizzard are absolute control freaks and must have everything their way or no way. I guess being a film maker and making a Warcraft movie is totally like tip toeing over a minefield. Especially when you are an expert in your trade, but Blizzard tells you how to do it.

    I'm dealing with such people on a daily basis. They contact you because they have no idea how to realize a project, but then they want to control every move of it and tell you how to execute even the smallest thing about it. On a multimillion dollar scale and with hundred times the people involved this must be a nightmare.

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  • cameltosiscameltosis Member LegendaryPosts: 3,847
    Well, I bought Warcraft on DVD and enjoyed the film. The visuals were great, some of the fights awesome etc. I'm not a Warcraft (IP) fan, I didn't play the RTS's and I didn't last long in WoW, so I was approaching the film with virtually no knowledge of the world. 


    The main problem was the script. It was just seriously badly written. A lot of people I've spoken to say the casting was terrible but I disagree - I think it was the script and, presumably, the director who were at fault. 


    The King and Queen, for example, played by Dominic Cooper and Ruth Negga. These two are actually great at acting. They are a couple in real life and recently starred in the TV series Preacher (on Amazon). They were both excellent. Yet, they came across as rubbish in Warcraft. I doubt they suddenly forgot how to act, so I have to assume that the fault lies elsewhere, i.e. script and director. 

    Same with Travis Fimmel and Ben Foster. Fimmel isn't the greatest actor in the world, yet he probably did the best in the film. Foster has been amazing in all other films I've seen him in, yet didn't come across well in Warcraft. 


    For some reason this sort of thing always seems to happen in sci-fi and fantasy films. The visuals / cinematography kick ass but the actual script tends to suck. They should hire someone like Aaron Sorkin (West Wing / Newsroom) to write the dialogue to ensure it is actually good. 
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  • xyzercrimexyzercrime Member RarePosts: 878
    cameltosis said:
    Well, I bought Warcraft on DVD and enjoyed the film. The visuals were great, some of the fights awesome etc. I'm not a Warcraft (IP) fan, I didn't play the RTS's and I didn't last long in WoW, so I was approaching the film with virtually no knowledge of the world. 


    The main problem was the script. It was just seriously badly written. A lot of people I've spoken to say the casting was terrible but I disagree - I think it was the script and, presumably, the director who were at fault. 


    The King and Queen, for example, played by Dominic Cooper and Ruth Negga. These two are actually great at acting. They are a couple in real life and recently starred in the TV series Preacher (on Amazon). They were both excellent. Yet, they came across as rubbish in Warcraft. I doubt they suddenly forgot how to act, so I have to assume that the fault lies elsewhere, i.e. script and director. 

    Same with Travis Fimmel and Ben Foster. Fimmel isn't the greatest actor in the world, yet he probably did the best in the film. Foster has been amazing in all other films I've seen him in, yet didn't come across well in Warcraft. 


    For some reason this sort of thing always seems to happen in sci-fi and fantasy films. The visuals / cinematography kick ass but the actual script tends to suck. They should hire someone like Aaron Sorkin (West Wing / Newsroom) to write the dialogue to ensure it is actually good. 
    I wholeheartedly agree with this.

    It was really sad moment for me to watching Jesse Custer has been toned down as cliche king in Warcraft.



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  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
    edited November 2016
    Well, I bought Warcraft on DVD and enjoyed the film. The visuals were great, some of the fights awesome etc. I'm not a Warcraft (IP) fan, I didn't play the RTS's and I didn't last long in WoW, so I was approaching the film with virtually no knowledge of the world. 


    The main problem was the script. It was just seriously badly written. A lot of people I've spoken to say the casting was terrible but I disagree - I think it was the script and, presumably, the director who were at fault. 


    The King and Queen, for example, played by Dominic Cooper and Ruth Negga. These two are actually great at acting. They are a couple in real life and recently starred in the TV series Preacher (on Amazon). They were both excellent. Yet, they came across as rubbish in Warcraft. I doubt they suddenly forgot how to act, so I have to assume that the fault lies elsewhere, i.e. script and director. 

    Same with Travis Fimmel and Ben Foster. Fimmel isn't the greatest actor in the world, yet he probably did the best in the film. Foster has been amazing in all other films I've seen him in, yet didn't come across well in Warcraft. 


    For some reason this sort of thing always seems to happen in sci-fi and fantasy films. The visuals / cinematography kick ass but the actual script tends to suck. They should hire someone like Aaron Sorkin (West Wing / Newsroom) to write the dialogue to ensure it is actually good. 
    I agree and posted the same after watching the movie.
    Fimmel was basicly Ragnar Lodbrock with his gestures and facial expressions and i still think that Ben Foster was a miscast for the role. I just watched him in "hell or high water" and THAT was Ben Foster.

    It was like everyone wanted to be in the Warcraft movie which was supposed to be the absolute next big thing, but then nobody had an idea who these characters are and what to do with them.
    Like they told Fimmel to "play a hero", Foster to "play a wizward", Negga to "play a queen" and they were all just "ok...sounds doable".
    Or Garona the sexy naive half-something that had absolutely nothing of the fierce assassin.

    The script was "Hollywood taking over Warcraft" and many dialogues are as cheesy and cliche as it gets.

    I still enjoyed it and got my money's worth. It is an entertaining action-fantasy movie, it just isn't a good Warcraft movie.

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  • garrettgarrett MMORPG.COM Staff UncommonPosts: 284
    there is no need for a Warcraft 2 movie...sorry as much as I love Warcraft and the Orcs, I do not want another film like that...
     :p 
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Volgore said:
    Well, I bought Warcraft on DVD and enjoyed the film. The visuals were great, some of the fights awesome etc. I'm not a Warcraft (IP) fan, I didn't play the RTS's and I didn't last long in WoW, so I was approaching the film with virtually no knowledge of the world. 


    The main problem was the script. It was just seriously badly written. A lot of people I've spoken to say the casting was terrible but I disagree - I think it was the script and, presumably, the director who were at fault. 


    The King and Queen, for example, played by Dominic Cooper and Ruth Negga. These two are actually great at acting. They are a couple in real life and recently starred in the TV series Preacher (on Amazon). They were both excellent. Yet, they came across as rubbish in Warcraft. I doubt they suddenly forgot how to act, so I have to assume that the fault lies elsewhere, i.e. script and director. 

    Same with Travis Fimmel and Ben Foster. Fimmel isn't the greatest actor in the world, yet he probably did the best in the film. Foster has been amazing in all other films I've seen him in, yet didn't come across well in Warcraft. 


    For some reason this sort of thing always seems to happen in sci-fi and fantasy films. The visuals / cinematography kick ass but the actual script tends to suck. They should hire someone like Aaron Sorkin (West Wing / Newsroom) to write the dialogue to ensure it is actually good. 
    I agree and posted the same after watching the movie.
    Fimmel was basicly Ragnar Lodbrock with his gestures and facial expressions and i still think that Ben Foster was a miscast for the role. I just watched him in "hell or high water" and THAT was Ben Foster.

    It was like everyone wanted to be in the Warcraft movie which was supposed to be the absolute next big thing, but then nobody had an idea who these characters are and what to do with them.
    Like they told Fimmel to "play a hero", Foster to "play a wizward", Negga to "play a queen" and they were all just "ok...sounds doable".
    Or Garona the sexy naive half-something that had absolutely nothing of the fierce assassin.

    The script was "Hollywood taking over Warcraft" and many dialogues are as cheesy and cliche as it gets.

    I still enjoyed it and got my money's worth. It is an entertaining action-fantasy movie, it just isn't a good Warcraft movie.
    That would have to faulted with the director. 

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  • k61977k61977 Member EpicPosts: 1,526
    I would much rather see a full CGI warcraft movie done by the in house blizzard team.  Having real people in this killed this for me.  It wasn't blended well and they chopped up so much of the story that anyone who didn't know the history already was mostly likely going what the hell is this.  Should never have outsourced this movie in my opinion, should have been in house as this is blizzard's flagship game.
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