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So retro graphic has been the buzz for some time now.
Maurgrim
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I grew up with games in the 80s and 90s, I played the old ones, poor graphics, 2D you name it, I played a lot.
About 2 maby 3 years back on Steam I see a lot of games being made that has just that graphic that poor and linier gameplay, and they look exactly like the games I played back then yet they get awesome rating and I cant understand why.
I would NEVER ever go back to to that kind of gameplay, been there done that yet these games gets so much good ratings, why?
Why, yes you can say they are better than modern games, but thats just hipster talk, It's cool to play retro games right? be a gaming hipster is like playing retro no matter how they are they are still retro hence 100% cred.
These hipster gamers were prolly being in diapers when these kind of games were out or not even born.
Is there so much hate in the modern games that gamer hipsters are born?
About 2 maby 3 years back on Steam I see a lot of games being made that has just that graphic that poor and linier gameplay, and they look exactly like the games I played back then yet they get awesome rating and I cant understand why.
I would NEVER ever go back to to that kind of gameplay, been there done that yet these games gets so much good ratings, why?
Why, yes you can say they are better than modern games, but thats just hipster talk, It's cool to play retro games right? be a gaming hipster is like playing retro no matter how they are they are still retro hence 100% cred.
These hipster gamers were prolly being in diapers when these kind of games were out or not even born.
Is there so much hate in the modern games that gamer hipsters are born?
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agreed.
I dont know but I bet the only people who like those graphics are 1. those who were not even alive then 2. have nostalgia problems
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I agree the ratings are often weird, but then again, can't really argue taste.
Plus, basically everything posted on the internet includes some "street cred factor" and must be taken with a pinch of salt. This applies to ratings too.
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However, the thing that got me into video games were the graphics, and as they get better, it's really hard for me to look back. This retro resurgence is just laziness in my opinion. It's much easier to make a game with 20+ year old technology than it is to make the same game, but make it look good.
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Plus, I think 2d games are vastly better to look at than terrible horrible 3d games (like wurm online looks ugly as hell). Even Ultima Online, decades later still looks nice to look at than even somewhat newer MMOs like EQ2.
EQ2 looks ugly as hell as well and came out really close to WoW's release, which WoW due to its artstyle choice looks way better than EQ2 does. Granted it has had upgrades. But even looking at vanilla WoW screenshots is better than looking at EQ2. On the other hand, like I said, many 2d games are still nice to look at years later. Heck even the old 2d runescape looks vastly better than the newest runescape version they put out
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Why is every gamer's go to insult to call anyone they disagree with a child? Being old just gives you superior taste in video games?
Like whatever style of game you like. I don't understand why this even bothers you? Unless you feel you are somehow being forced or overly subjected to these games you don't like?
Don't misunderstand me here. I don't mind art. Adventure games are a great example. There's a certain timelessness and artistic value that is given to hand painted backgrounds. My point is there are ways of styling a game retro without going full of SNES era graphics. Just look at the 2015 release of King's Quest. Hand painted textures using Unreal 4. It feels and looks like the old King's Quest games, but looks absolutely stunning.
There's also a huge difference between a retro style and actual 8-bit graphics.
I'd understand if they were fun (hell I crank up my emulators and old consoles just as often.). I'm not understanding this discussion. Generally I'd have to say if a game was good, who gives a damn about graphics. Low bit graphics for the sake of low bit graphics because they're "cool." That's just dumb.
Want to know how to kill a hipster? Drown them in the mainstream.
I am 80 years old so I know what Im talking about.
These goddammit woodstock hipsters are all weird and all.
1. There are the games from indie studios that use this graphics style because it is cheaper and for the genre it is not really a problem. Like sandbox or tycoon games a la Rimworld, Prison Architect etc.
This I don't mind, because some of these games are really good and are a lot more advanced in features then what was available in the 80s and 90s.
2. Platformers, arcade shooters and other crap like that. I really hate pixel graphics for this genre. Apart from a few exceptions which show a great looking style, most of them are just plain ugly and have crappy animations. I normally ignore this kind of game, because I've played this type to death already on emulators of classic consoles and Amiga and ZX Spectrum etc. There is so much crap being released in this group that doesn't come close to classics.
As another poster sead, these retro games are just lazy programmers I'm convinced about it, and these retro hipster gamers are falling for it.
It can really be a daunting task. It took me weeks to make my first pong game. I could only imagine how much time would be involved in scratch making a platformer in say purely GL primitives.
Accomplishments are accomplishments. Show some gratitude and pride. Or put your money where your mouth is and prove you can make a better game. Take that challenge and I'll even promote it for you.
Not to mention a two or three man indie studio will only have the fraction of a budget that a larger studio will have so access to expensive game engines is probably non-existent. A lot of those guys are using something along the lines of Flash Pro, Flash Builder or C++ and writing their own engines, or using Unity. The Flash Pro and Flash Builder are relatively cheap and FlashDevelop is actually free due to it being open source and are great for 2D animation. Unity is great for 3D but then they will need a modeler who can also hopefully rig, an animator who can rig if the modeler can't, an environment artist if the modeler can't create environments also, so forth and so on...
TLDR: No those guys are not lazy. They are doing the best they can with what they have or can afford and lucky for them there is an audience who will buy their games
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Can you explain why all of the sudden crapload of 2d, retro, pixles games coming out almost every day for the last couple of years?
It wasent like this 3-4 years ago, It's a trend now very much like hipsters, they ARE easy to make compare to what indie game developers worked with 5 years ago.
These games are popping up left and right, does this mean all of the sudden thousands of new degrees in gaming software development graduated 2 year ago and starting producing theirs first projects?
They are fast food games made for retro hipsters, simple as that.
Tossing the hipster bashing aside -- I'll join you in that, just not here, I've already done it myself in this very forum.
It's not a sudden crap-load. There have been thousands -- if not hundreds of thousands -- of independently published 2d games using these "retro" graphics every year for the last three decades. (What the hell does that even mean? Graphics are graphics, it's like calling a photograph on film 'retro', why bother? Merely another medium that accomplishes the same thing.) Unfortunately, it just happens to be something for lack of better terms trendy. This I believe is more to do with the popularity of the internet now bringing them into light. See chart for example: http://www.internetworldstats.com/emarketing.htm 15% more of the world using the internet than in 2013 -- that's a huge number.
Simply put, 2D graphic games are nothing new in interests in development, just a growing popularity over all. Can't pin that on one demographic of sub-culture. Would be just as silly as saying a music genre is 'dead.' and piss off just as many people in saying so -- of the many possible reactions from any person.
The majority are the "IN" crowd who thinks these games a cool its the new cool thing to play pretty much like Pokemon go, hence why I wrote hipster.
That game play is more important than graphics. HOWEVER....that doesnt mean graphics are not important at all. But the 8bit graphics with high end play is just like an extreeme counter balance to try to get things back to center. Its not conscious but I think that is why
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