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Competitive Events Manager Josh Davis Leaves ANet - Guild Wars 2 News

ShelassaShelassa MMORPG.COM Staff UncommonPosts: 616
edited December 2016 in News & Features Discussion

imageCompetitive Events Manager Josh Davis Leaves ANet - Guild Wars 2 News

Competitive Events Manager Josh Davis has announced that he has left ArenaNet as of Friday, December 2nd. In a series of tweets Davis revealed the news as well as his happinness at the fine send-off he received from coworkers. He is being cagey at this time about what his next position will be, but urges fans to

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  • NasaNasa Member UncommonPosts: 749
    Seems to be little left for him to do. No new pvp events announced.
  • APThugAPThug Member RarePosts: 543
    Aw, hes gonna be missed. Josh was a pretty funny guy who was one of the few people that really cared about spvp community of gw2. Like, when people preached for change, Josh would be active on the forums responding to people and would even respond to people on twitch.

    With him gone, I really wonder how spvp will be shaped for the future. Hopefully his replacement will be just as active.

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  • azurreiazurrei Member UncommonPosts: 332

    DMKano said:


    Nasa said:

    Seems to be little left for him to do. No new pvp events announced.




    it says a lot about Anets plans to persue esports with GW2. 

    was a dumb idea to begin with IMO



    yep - it was their biggest mistake...that wasted dev focus was a big part in ruining GW2's potential. They should have stuck to PvE and WvW content.
  • APThugAPThug Member RarePosts: 543

    DMKano said:


    Nasa said:

    Seems to be little left for him to do. No new pvp events announced.




    it says a lot about Anets plans to persue esports with GW2. 

    was a dumb idea to begin with IMO



    Gw1 had a small series of championship tournaments with real money prize pools while it was still active. Theres even a 3 part documentary about one of the tournaments on youtube. I believe the move to support their own current tournaments was a move of past experience as well as a risk of wanting to bring in more people to the spvp game mode, by saying "if you are able to establish a team and defeat other teams, you can win money and exclusive prizes." And it worked for the most part. As well as bringing in a lot of misconception.

    It has also been said, time and time again that focus on spvp does not impact the pve part of the game besides skill balancing which Anet has been moving more towards spiting the skills. Money used in the tournaments come from advertising. So if it were reversed we'd see higher quality trailers and more cringe worthy advertising like their Hidden camera taxi cab roleplay thing they did 2 years ago.

    So in the end, has esports spvp been good for the game? Its still honestly hard to say. If you talk to the pros, they'd say yes and give a bunch of reasons why. But if you ask the avg player, they'd complain and say "idc" or "the pros are the reason why the meta is the way that it is because Anet is only balancing around them." Most points on both sides are valid. Thats why I remain in the middle.

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  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,089
    The GvG in GW1 was a big and great factor for every pvp enthusiast. With the introduction of GW2, the GvG was non existant, even after implementing it 3y after launch. Seriously, fuck you Anet.
  • MikePaladinMikePaladin Member UncommonPosts: 592
    I didn't know there are people who care about gw2 after HoT expansion.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    edited December 2016
    I personally can't stand the whole new age era of esports we simply called pvp for 20+ years but everything now a days seems to need a gimmicky catch phrase to it.
    I can't say any attempt to get into competitive esports is dumb because everyone is doing it and Blizzard relies heavily on it.The difference of course that ANY developer should realize that Blizzard does not need any special formula to strike it rich with esports.

    However on the topic of GW2 and it's agenda to go towards competitive,i need only remind that the whole purpose of a mmorpg is to live out a role play character within a world,it is NOT suppose to LOSE ALL IMMERSION for the sake of non world,non game related ideas that support a developer's pocket books.

    This is the really bad direction that all devs are going in,they seem to forget that the game,it's world is SUPPOSE to be removed from the real world.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • mezhumezhu Member UncommonPosts: 24

    APThug said:



    DMKano said:




    Nasa said:


    Seems to be little left for him to do. No new pvp events announced.






    it says a lot about Anets plans to persue esports with GW2. 

    was a dumb idea to begin with IMO






    Gw1 had a small series of championship tournaments with real money prize pools while it was still active. Theres even a 3 part documentary about one of the tournaments on youtube. I believe the move to support their own current tournaments was a move of past experience as well as a risk of wanting to bring in more people to the spvp game mode, by saying "if you are able to establish a team and defeat other teams, you can win money and exclusive prizes." And it worked for the most part. As well as bringing in a lot of misconception.



    It has also been said, time and time again that focus on spvp does not impact the pve part of the game besides skill balancing which Anet has been moving more towards spiting the skills. Money used in the tournaments come from advertising. So if it were reversed we'd see higher quality trailers and more cringe worthy advertising like their Hidden camera taxi cab roleplay thing they did 2 years ago.



    So in the end, has esports spvp been good for the game? Its still honestly hard to say. If you talk to the pros, they'd say yes and give a bunch of reasons why. But if you ask the avg player, they'd complain and say "idc" or "the pros are the reason why the meta is the way that it is because Anet is only balancing around them." Most points on both sides are valid. Thats why I remain in the middle.



    Main difference being that GW1's pvp was actually decent
  • botrytisbotrytis Member RarePosts: 3,363
    edited December 2016

    mezhu said:



    APThug said:





    DMKano said:






    Nasa said:



    Seems to be little left for him to do. No new pvp events announced.








    it says a lot about Anets plans to persue esports with GW2. 

    was a dumb idea to begin with IMO









    Gw1 had a small series of championship tournaments with real money prize pools while it was still active. Theres even a 3 part documentary about one of the tournaments on youtube. I believe the move to support their own current tournaments was a move of past experience as well as a risk of wanting to bring in more people to the spvp game mode, by saying "if you are able to establish a team and defeat other teams, you can win money and exclusive prizes." And it worked for the most part. As well as bringing in a lot of misconception.





    It has also been said, time and time again that focus on spvp does not impact the pve part of the game besides skill balancing which Anet has been moving more towards spiting the skills. Money used in the tournaments come from advertising. So if it were reversed we'd see higher quality trailers and more cringe worthy advertising like their Hidden camera taxi cab roleplay thing they did 2 years ago.





    So in the end, has esports spvp been good for the game? Its still honestly hard to say. If you talk to the pros, they'd say yes and give a bunch of reasons why. But if you ask the avg player, they'd complain and say "idc" or "the pros are the reason why the meta is the way that it is because Anet is only balancing around them." Most points on both sides are valid. Thats why I remain in the middle.






    Main difference being that GW1's pvp was actually decent



    Sorry - GW1's PvP was about Exploitable and Unforeseen synergies in builds vs others. There was NO SKILL INVOLVED WITH PvP IN GW1 at all.
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843

    DMKano said:


    Nasa said:

    Seems to be little left for him to do. No new pvp events announced.




    it says a lot about Anets plans to persue esports with GW2. 

    was a dumb idea to begin with IMO



    I remember when they even had a forum on arenajunkies.com >.< that lasted like 3 months lol
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,803
    No GW2 threads possible without the GW1 fanatics coming out to play.
    Harbinger of Fools
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Torval said:
    Well there wouldn't have been a GW2 without those damn GW1 fanatics.

    The thing that made all the GW1 PvP relevant is how the entire game had those baked into the core. With GW2 it feels much more bolt-on. At least in ESO Cyrodiil feels like part of the world and the game and not an afterthought.

    PvE in GW1 was all about learning different PvP mechanics. PvE in GW2 is all about grinding out legendaries. PvP in GW2 is some other beast. See the disconnect? It's not working out well.
    You actually just need a little WvW to get most legendaries. But yeah, the serverpride ain't a good enough reason, at least when your region was doing well in GW you got access to the Obsidian farming.

    WvW is not a bad idea, but it gets too zergy and actually winning isn't rewarded good enough, it is more that everyone gets a price. The risk Vs reward sucks since running in a safe zerg is way more rewarding then doing small teams or sneaking around by yourself behind enemy lines.

    True GvG PvP need to be added and not the cheesy version right now.
  • ArtwolfArtwolf Member UncommonPosts: 48
    Always hope for the best with change.

    I, for the most part, only pvp in GW2 and WvW once in a blue moon. I think the combat lends itself well to the small scale pvp stlye game mode and does not work well at all for WvW. PvP needs something other than conquest.
  • NitemareMMONitemareMMO Member UncommonPosts: 239
    Mixing PvP and PvE in same game is the biggest pitfall of all imo. Just make up your damn mind and make one or the other and make that design/implementation top dawg.
  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614

    exile01 said:

    The GvG in GW1 was a big and great factor for every pvp enthusiast. With the introduction of GW2, the GvG was non existant, even after implementing it 3y after launch. Seriously, fuck you Anet.



    Seriously, GW1 is old and outdated. GW2 is the newer and better version.
    Move on.

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • mezhumezhu Member UncommonPosts: 24
    Muke said:

    exile01 said:

    The GvG in GW1 was a big and great factor for every pvp enthusiast. With the introduction of GW2, the GvG was non existant, even after implementing it 3y after launch. Seriously, fuck you Anet.



    Seriously, GW1 is old and outdated. GW2 is the newer and better version.
    Move on.

    Had written a paragraph-long response to that, but then I read your signature and figured it's not worth it.
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,803
    mezhu said:
    Muke said:

    exile01 said:

    The GvG in GW1 was a big and great factor for every pvp enthusiast. With the introduction of GW2, the GvG was non existant, even after implementing it 3y after launch. Seriously, fuck you Anet.



    Seriously, GW1 is old and outdated. GW2 is the newer and better version.
    Move on.

    Had written a paragraph-long response to that, but then I read your signature and figured it's not worth it.
    No really he is right.
    It's been 4 years since all support for GW1 was stopped.

    You guys should grow up and stop whining that you didn't get a carbon copy of GW1.
    Harbinger of Fools
  • ZeroxinZeroxin Member UncommonPosts: 2,515
    edited December 2016

    azurrei said:



    DMKano said:




    Nasa said:


    Seems to be little left for him to do. No new pvp events announced.






    it says a lot about Anets plans to persue esports with GW2. 

    was a dumb idea to begin with IMO






    yep - it was their biggest mistake...that wasted dev focus was a big part in ruining GW2's potential. They should have stuck to PvE and WvW content.



    Ha! I don't know why people think Anet focuses on PvP at all. Most of their development time on GW2 was apparently spent building an engine that could generate pretty visuals for all the open world stuff. If that's focusing on PvP, then I might be in the wrong universe.

    If GW1 is anything to go by, GW2's lack of focus on PvP was it's actual downfall, rather than the opposite.

    This is not a game.

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,066
    I guess the PvP aspect is there as a token for the original idea of a PvP game that stopped being a PvP 2 years after release.

    Currently playing: GW2
    Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders

  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,803
    edited December 2016
    Torval said:
    It seems to be going through a small PvE identity crisis too.
    That is a part I agree with.

    The highest tier fractals are mostly based on 2 things:
    -Very very narrow spaces
    -Tons of devastating aoe attacks and minion pops

    The same thing they did on GW1 pve back then.
    It's simply Anet's horrible concept of challenging pve content.
    Harbinger of Fools
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,014
    lol doesnt even sound like a real job title
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100

    DMKano said:


    Nasa said:

    Seems to be little left for him to do. No new pvp events announced.




    it says a lot about Anets plans to persue esports with GW2. 

    was a dumb idea to begin with IMO



    Why was it a dumb idea? They had a great engine, combat system, and a moba-like equalized playing field. Was it the game-type that made it a bad idea or something else?
    ....
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