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Final Fantasy XIV - Feeling Left Out Now That XV's Launched? There's Plenty Left to Do! - MMORPG.com
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Final Fantasy XIV - Feeling Left Out Now That XV's Launched? There's Plenty Left to Do! - MMORPG.com
Final Fantasy XV is out now. One of the draws of FFXIV is the Final Fantasy brand, and so a very large chunk of my friends list have taken a hiatus to go on the road trip of a lifetime. I assume the same is true everywhere, because it’s selling extremely well.
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You can chat with ff14 players while you play ff15? Or did I read that wrong?
Combat sucks, story sucks, characters are flaccid and suck.
..............and it's selling really well.
So
Maybe not a total waste of 10 years/time/money/etc etc.
Or it could just be opinions differ. You have yours, and 5 million others have theirs.
Don't let facts and logic ruin his addiction to hatred!
Let the hate flow throw you, Joeslowmoe!
*Emperor wave of the hands.*
Believe them as you choose to. No skin off my nose. Game still sucks. FFXIV on the other hand is enjoyable in the small doses that it is intended to be consumed.
How... how can a statistic that shows how many units have been sold be a lie? Unless you're turning that into an argument that numbers sold does not a good game make. Which also doesn't make sense in the way you phrased such (or the context such responded to), as that in itself isn't a statistic. The game has had four demos for people to try, reviews made before the street date, and said street date was even broken by several weeks. People knew what they were buying into (even making fun of the Boy Band theme), and every review / youtube review / twitch player so far has said nothing but great things about the game on their respected mediums and twitter.
You're the second person I've seen hate on the game, and the first said they haven't even tried it yet because they don't want to waste the money (thus giving an uneducated opinion). The only thing that is a little over-the-top in this game is the side quest system in that there is probably too much. The combat is slick, fast and you really feel like you're part of a team with how characters interact with each other (throwing weapons at one another to use, giving high fives or fist bumps after combos, etc.). Granted, I know someone who didn't go through the tutorial and hated on the game at first, until they went back and saw how easy it was to time dodges and perform special actions.
The story starts off a bit slow -- especially if you're the power-fantasy type of players that likes to grind until overpowered -- but it picks up fairly well. There are parts in the middle and the end that really make you feel for the characters. In fact, I think this is the best FF ending that I've ever seen. They break a lot of typical JRPG/FF walls and stereotypes with what happens.
While I don't even dislike the game, I find one point in your paragraph interesting. You try to push forward the idea of how ''nobody who has tried final fantasy 15 actually ends up disliking the game''. You give us an example of how the person who didn't like game actually didn't play it and then you give us another example of one more person who only disliked the game because he didn't understand the combat. Then you proceed in your other comments to point out that people are haters simply because they found the game tedious.
It is simliar to the people who try to push forward their idea of ''this game sucks'' by saying ''everybody I know who played the game left, it is a boring game and it is dying''. It is just a cheap way of enforcing your opinion by adding some virtual friends who supposedly all agree with your sentiment to rub it in the face of the one you are arguing with ''see? you dislike it but I and ALL my friends like it. You are the ONLY guy who dislikes it, so suck it up''. Or vice versa, pointing out to the people who you are arguing with that they are supposedly a minority who ended up liking the game.
One of the things that have put me off Final Fantasy is how defensive the fans of the franchise could be. I can't discuss anything without being called out for being a hater, assuming that I mention something negative. No, I don't think stereotypical jrpg characters are ''amazing'' and I don't think cliche's are evolutionary. Older FF games used to be evolutionary for their time but all modern FF games have been average-to-good, nothing mindblowing. FF15 does alot of things great, it is a very very good RPG and it is selling extremly well. However, it is by no means an RPG that I will remember for changing my view of how RPG's should be like. I thought it was really fun and I have yet to finish the game, however, I am also entitled to my opinions even if they end up being negative and quite frankly I don't seeing myself putting this game ahead of games like The Witcher 3 or Bloodbourne as some of the most impressive RPG's in recent memory (I am currently a little bit put off by the linear second half that I am playing through as I feel like the experience got a little bit tedious for me). Now my opinion could change by the time I finish the game and I may end up thinking that it is the best RPG in recent times, but regardless, I would like to be able to have reasonable discussions without opting to call out others for their tastes.
''nobody who has tried final fantasy 15 actually ends up disliking the game''
Went back and read what I wrote and, while my articulation is a little shaky in some areas (specifically not providing sources for reviews and saying the reviews have been positive, despite it being impossible for me to read every review, ever -- more on this later), no where did I say that there aren't people who played it and legitimately didn't like it. What you wrote as the backbone of your assertion (Quoted above) is nothing more than a paraphrase of what you believe to have been said -- and a paraphrase that wasn't even accurately noted as such. I can certainly see where you would see implications of such, but as a whole I believe your comprehension of the post to be extremely exaggerated in attempts to do whatever it is you were trying to do.
In fact, I was very careful to not say "everyone", but rather, specifically note that these people were in my circle (or what -I- have seen) -- aside from legitimate outside sources, such as reviews and videos which, admittedly, I should have included sources for it to be a proper assertion rather than just brushing it off -- though in my defense, going to Gamespot, IGN, or even MMORPG.com to see their scores was something that I thought to be simple and trivial. I had it in my mind that look at videos was simple -- almost as simple as someone trying the game before saying someone hates it or likes it. Ultimately, I could not care less -- I don't own any Square stock. Though it should be no surprise that I prefer Educated opinions over non-educated. Heck, I didn't even say the person I posted to was wrong. I made a joke, he scoffed at legitimate sales statistics, I responded with my own experiences. Still not saying that he, himself, was wrong for hating it or even asking if he has played it. In fact, I kept my topic on FFXIV and my own experiences and what I saw the whole time (making sure to note such).
What else is wrong about your interpretation (which is a fault of my own as a writer to not get a message across)? You seem to think that by me saying -- or acknowledging -- that I have seen two people on the internet hate this game, means that I think that no one hates the game. In the first case, the person said they haven't played it and don't want to waste money on it. Fair. His opinion. But an uneducated opinion, considering he was saying how he hated the combat, the story, the characters and the flow of the game. How, exactly, did he hate what he hasn't played? He said he watched the first demo that came out, and that was the extent of the knowledge of the game. Then, I have a friend who hated the combat of the game until they went back and did the tutorial. He doesn't count as hating the game as he loves it now, and I only mentioned him as a way to show that I understood that people may dislike something for different reasons, and that they may also change their mind. Did these things magically not happen just because they are some reasons / excuses that someone might not like a game? How is that a cheap trick to reinforce what I experienced? Am I allowed to have my own experiences?
Another point of interest is that you essentially put words in my mouth -- ''see? you dislike it but me and ALL my friends like it. You are the ONLY guy who dislikes it, so suck it up'", emphasizing a general statement made by others and relating it to my words to provide evidence for whatever it is you were trying to say. You assume that I don't understand that there are people beyond me or my friends that may just not like JRPGs in general. But did I say this? I'm pretty sure I made sure to say "of what I've seen" at least once. Do you suddenly know what I have seen? What was the point of these words, if you have not? Have people chastised you for having a legitimate opinion after trying something? Is this egregious comprehension error out of spite for them? Talk about cheap tricks, or trying to control a narrative!
"One of the things that have put me off Final Fantasy is how defensive the fans of the franchise could be. I can't discuss anything with being called out for being a hater. No, I don't think stereotypical jrpg characters are ''amazing'' and I don't think cliche's are evolutionary. FF15 does alot of things great, it is a vert very good RPG and it is selling extremly well. However, it is by no means an RPG that I will remember for changing my view of how RPG's are like. I thought it was really fun and I have yet to finish the game (I have to say that I am a little bit put off by the linear second half that I am playing through as I feel like the experience got a little bit tedious for me), however, I am also entitled to my opinions even if they end up being negative and quite frankly I don't seeing myself putting this ahead of gaming like The Witcher 3 or Bloodbourne as some of the most impressive RPG's in recent memory (eventhough I may change my mind by the end of the game)."
I'm sorry that you feel that other people's passionate opinions somehow make you think like you can't enjoy the franchise. There may very well be people that say "You're wrong, so ha!" But that has not transpired here. And hating something means that you hate it. It may be seen as a negative term, but it is what it is. If you hate a game, then you're a hater of it. If you enjoy a game, you're a fan. Not even when someone said "Or it could just be opinions differ. You have yours, and 5 million others have theirs" did someone say they were wrong for hating it. The sales figure fact does not mean you can't dislike it. It just means you have an opinion that does not seem to -- by the evidence presented -- be the majority. However, since you have said that you have not beaten the game yet, then I quirk an eyebrow at some of your later assertions. This is my right to do so -- to want educated / informed opinions -- and I will not apologize for such. Even though you, as a whole, said that the game is very good, I don't accept that as being an informed opinion until you have beaten it when speaking of the story or comparing it to other games (which I don't like doing, in any case).
It seems to me that you are just tired of people disagreeing with you, and read what you wanted to read, using your own tricks and whatever you took from it as ammunition to get the point across that you've had enough.
That is the kind of stuff that Japan likes...
Saturation there is everywhere to the point that there are plenty of B-TYPE to C-TYPE titles that get MILLIONS OF PLAYERS. Or have you forgotten that games like PSO-2 in Japan that forces players to play two separate games to do well in one game has 4.5 - 5 million players? ..and SEGA has stated that is a "Medium-Hit" game meaning a B-TYPE game and not a AAA Title.
I can cite plenty of examples in Japanese and Korean markets of console games that sell very well and are considered to be B-TYPE or C-TYPE titles. The same is true of Final Fantasy. Not every single title was worthy of a AAA title bragging rights, but they sold well because of the fanbase willing to buy anything regardless how good or bad it is in order to satisfy their curiosity...
Remember Star Wars EPISODE I?
Think of all the people who went out to see The Phantom Menace, just because it was the first new star wars released since the trilogy? Was it good? Except for the last 10 - 20 minutes or so where the actor playing Darth Maul was a real life instructor to the martial arts who did the fight choreography for that end lightsaber duel.....
Most fans agree that everything else was a big "WTF"
I will try FF XV later, but not today.
I have far too much on my plate....
Or, keep playing FF14 for a while and don't pay the expensive, full, list price for 15 and get a better deal a few months down the road. All the stuff there will ALSO will be waiting for you and it will probably be more polished with patching as well.
Units sold can equal hype, nostagia, boredom etc. Demos don't even cut into that. If it has been awhile people will buy it. I don't have an opinion on the game but give it a few weeks to hear the tamed down rhetoric or play it yourself to find out is always best in my opinion.
Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!
Anyways, great game.
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To be fair, those sales are almost entirely due to 'Final Fantasy' being on the cover of the game and have little to do with how great the game will or will not treat them.
That's just, like, my opinion, man.