O wow instanced housing, yep let me redownload it ....
lemme guess, ex daoc player?
i kinda feel the same... must be really hard to instance ZONES for housing and not bloody houses
DAoC had instanced housing.
When people talk about "non-instanced" housing they are falling into a trap. Why? You select(ed) a server when you logged in. And each server had the exact same housing. It was an instance. So if you think of ESO's phasing technology as automatic, on the fly, server selection there may be no fundamental difference between the housing in ESO and that in DAoC.
Now the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. If you head to your house to enter and ....
A few dozen other people are doing so at more or less the same time that will be "immersion breaking".
If - however - house ownership is built into the criteria by which ESO allocates people into "phases" and as a result you are the only person entering the house then what you have is (the mythical) "non-instanced" housing.
And based on the houses I have come across I think this will be the case. The geography suggests that you will switch phase before you get to the door of your house. And for anyone who doesn't appreciate how ESO's phases work you can be shifting through them all the time; and with no new art assets to load it is - usually - seamless.
Now a game like Eve has unique structures but that aside talk of non-instanced housing is a myth.
O wow instanced housing, yep let me redownload it ....
lemme guess, ex daoc player?
i kinda feel the same... must be really hard to instance ZONES for housing and not bloody houses
with the megaserver, it's actually impossible to not have instanced housing unless they were to releases zones dedicated to housing and there would have to be millions of plots.....ya that's right MILLIONS.
I'm looking forward to checking out the housing. Lack of inventory is a big problem with the game and they may not realize how many people don't want to play the inventory management mini-game.
The best imo was SWG's housing. Players did a great job of decorating them and you could put venders in them.
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I think the main reason people are upset is because it is not gameplay oriented content like new zones, quests, skills,ect. like there normally is. Personally I think that it is a great addition to the game, but I don't think it is fair to say that it is a lot of content for those players. I mean really, if there is no new gameplay oriented content, I think that is basically 0 content for most players. Housing is cool if gameplay is involved directly (IE: Using the housing system to create a new AH system for the game, mini games, new quest content that rewards you specifically with housing rewards, combat within housing areas,ect.)
I think the main reason people are upset is because it is not gameplay oriented content like new zones, quests, skills,ect. like there normally is. Personally I think that it is a great addition to the game, but I don't think it is fair to say that it is a lot of content for those players. I mean really, if there is no new gameplay oriented content, I think that is basically 0 content for most players. Housing is cool if gameplay is involved directly (IE: Using the housing system to create a new AH system for the game, mini games, new quest content that rewards you specifically with housing rewards, combat within housing areas,ect.)
Maybe everything doesn't always have to be some kind of tangible reward and that is a huge part of the reason why MMORPGs suck now.
How many expansions and patches have they made that consisted of new zones, quests, skills, etc, like there normally is and basically 0 content for players who wanted housing?
Housing is gameplay. It's in the game. You play. You mean to say that it is not quest or combat content. Not to mention, nobody stated that there would never be housing rewards, mini games, quests, etc. Just not yet.
It's free. People are still bitching because it isn't the exact free thing they want.
Nothing directed at you in particular. Just the last post to respond to and pretty much touched on exactly how ridiculous the whole whining thing is in this instance in particular, and genre in general.
I think the main reason people are upset is because it is not gameplay oriented content like new zones, quests, skills,ect. like there normally is. Personally I think that it is a great addition to the game, but I don't think it is fair to say that it is a lot of content for those players. <snip>
A quest to show you the basics - check; basic being a room in an inn say. For the houses though I don't think we know yet.
Every little bit of sand you add to the sandbox is a good thing. It might not be quests, but it adds to the depth of the game which is a good thing. It gives people things to do besides quests which is also a good thing. More power to them and a good call.
ESO is not a sandbox MMO lol.
Wasn't trying to call it a sandbox. It's a theme with sandbox elements IMO. Setting that aside for a different thread, I was simply trying to make the point that adding a variety of things to do that aren't relate to the quest line gives the game width... adding a sandox type element.
O wow instanced housing, yep let me redownload it ....
lemme guess, ex daoc player?
i kinda feel the same... must be really hard to instance ZONES for housing and not bloody houses
with the megaserver, it's actually impossible to not have instanced housing unless they were to releases zones dedicated to housing and there would have to be millions of plots.....ya that's right MILLIONS.
There you go with that hand holding, easy mode junk again. Why does their have to be millions. There should only be a set amount, and it should be way under the player base, not that I honestly believe millions of people play this game, but any ways. That would make a market for housing, and a fun economy, not that this game has any kind of economy, why because that nonsense, where every one has everything..............
What they really need to get in is something dealing with underwater--very underutilized "world" esp considering the Argonians shout for it.
After that they should focus on a major expansion of land etc.
(Also think they should try to do a Monsters Manual/Fiend Folio style of content--iow add "new monsters" to the already existing world.)
"I’m surprised to see how many people are upset that Homestead will be the next DLC for The Elder Scrolls Online."
Dear Ryan Getchell,
Homestaed, like One Tamriel, is/will be no DLC. It is a free for all update to the game. Unlike an DLC (= down load content), you won't have to unlock it by paying for it.
Homestaed is a present for all players. Use it or ignore it. No reason to argue.
"I’m surprised to see how many people are upset that Homestead will be the next DLC for The Elder Scrolls Online."
1. Some people like to complain for the sake of complaining, and probably don't even play the game.
2. Some people didn't get enough attention as a child from their parents.
Perhaps it's because it is not uncommon for players to be unhappy when the only new content is a feature they aren't interested in.
Many pay their sub fee expecting it to be invested in content they care for, and not raiding, housing, achievements or whatever caters to a specific and smaller niche.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"I’m surprised to see how many people are upset that Homestead will be the next DLC for The Elder Scrolls Online."
1. Some people like to complain for the sake of complaining, and probably don't even play the game.
2. Some people didn't get enough attention as a child from their parents.
Perhaps it's because it is not uncommon for players to be unhappy when the only new content is a feature they aren't interested in.
Many pay their sub fee expecting it to be invested in content they care for, and not raiding, housing, achievements or whatever caters to a specific and smaller niche.
You should have seen all the hate when they had the audacity to add a mostly PVP DLC, the Imperial City.
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This update is actually very well received (the best so far). Even on Bethesda's channel only a few haters disliked the video this time around.
Hearthfire was a huge part of Skyrim (paid DLC), and Homestead looks like Hearthfire on steroids (and it's even a free update!).
I'm sure ZOS is rolling in money already, I'm just glad they managed to achieve that without going the P2W route. Hell WoW is P2P with character boosts in the cash shop (you get hardly more P2W than with that).
I'm super happy with ZOS, and with the things they've achieved so far. Future of the genre is definitively looking bright.
"I’m surprised to see how many people are upset that Homestead will be the next DLC for The Elder Scrolls Online."
1. Some people like to complain for the sake of complaining, and probably don't even play the game.
2. Some people didn't get enough attention as a child from their parents.
Perhaps it's because it is not uncommon for players to be unhappy when the only new content is a feature they aren't interested in.
Many pay their sub fee expecting it to be invested in content they care for, and not raiding, housing, achievements or whatever caters to a specific and smaller niche.
Well, over here. There's a few threads and polls on the ESO forums that tell a different story. You can go over there and search yourself. Seems a large number of responses amount to, "What took you so long".
Let's be honest... This is MMORPG.com, where many bitter vets come to die. I would expect nothing less than constant complaining and negativity.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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with the megaserver, it's actually impossible to not have instanced housing unless they were to releases zones dedicated to housing and there would have to be millions of plots.....ya that's right MILLIONS.
There you go with that hand holding, easy mode junk again. Why does their have to be millions. There should only be a set amount, and it should be way under the player base, not that I honestly believe millions of people play this game, but any ways. That would make a market for housing, and a fun economy, not that this game has any kind of economy, why because that nonsense, where every one has everything..............
No handholding; @baphamet is simply calling it as it is.
How many servers are you suggesting - the game has sold over 7M so it needs to be a lot. What's it to be 1 server with 10M non-instanced houses? 10,000 with 1,000 instanced houses? Pick whatever numbers you like. If you want to create fewer houses than the number of possible players just say. If you want to have repossession just say.
However:
1. Each server is an instance. You are splitting the population up. If you opt for 1,000 servers that is 1,000 instances. 2. And because there won't be 7M+ players concurrent some of the servers are going to be ghost towns. So there will be a call for server mergers.
Don't take what I or @baphamet say though you tell us how it could be. Just remember each server is an instance .....
Housing wouldn't be on the top of my priority list. But I'm having a hard time being upset about it, whilst I pay $0(plus interest) per month to play it.
That said, if it were my one and only game, I would also probably get tired of release after release being thin or devoid of traditional content.
So... the choice... good or bad... I choose not to choose.
"I’m surprised to see how many people are upset that Homestead will be the next DLC for The Elder Scrolls Online."
Dear Ryan Getchell,
Homestaed, like One Tamriel, is/will be no DLC. It is a free for all update to the game. Unlike an DLC (= down load content), you won't have to unlock it by paying for it.
Homestaed is a present for all players. Use it or ignore it. No reason to argue.
Yes but if you think they won't use this new feature to sell shit tons of items for it in the coin shop you must be mad. Now I'm not saying that in itself is a bad thing, but in every MMO so far that's gone this route you can kiss meaningful content outside of the cash shop goodbye.
You're not saying trying to be successful is a bad thing, but you'll put a smarmy spin on it anyway. Right?
I'm saying that bilking your customers out of money for pointless fluff items that require no actual in game effort is a shit way to do business. Call me crazy but I for one prefer game companies to focus on actual game play, not this Dress Up Barbie horse shit.
Can't blame them for providing a service in demand. Believe it or not, but housing stuff is gameplay to other people. They're focusing on game play with it, regardless of whether or not you, specifically, will have a need for it. The game isn't made for you alone.
Besides, pointless fluff items are among the only things that people will allow in cash shops over here without calling it P2W.
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DAoC had instanced housing.
When people talk about "non-instanced" housing they are falling into a trap. Why? You select(ed) a server when you logged in. And each server had the exact same housing. It was an instance. So if you think of ESO's phasing technology as automatic, on the fly, server selection there may be no fundamental difference between the housing in ESO and that in DAoC.
Now the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. If you head to your house to enter and ....
A few dozen other people are doing so at more or less the same time that will be "immersion breaking".
If - however - house ownership is built into the criteria by which ESO allocates people into "phases" and as a result you are the only person entering the house then what you have is (the mythical) "non-instanced" housing.
And based on the houses I have come across I think this will be the case. The geography suggests that you will switch phase before you get to the door of your house. And for anyone who doesn't appreciate how ESO's phases work you can be shifting through them all the time; and with no new art assets to load it is - usually - seamless.
Now a game like Eve has unique structures but that aside talk of non-instanced housing is a myth.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
with the megaserver, it's actually impossible to not have instanced housing unless they were to releases zones dedicated to housing and there would have to be millions of plots.....ya that's right MILLIONS.
The best imo was SWG's housing. Players did a great job of decorating them and you could put venders in them.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
How many expansions and patches have they made that consisted of new zones, quests, skills, etc, like there normally is and basically 0 content for players who wanted housing?
Housing is gameplay. It's in the game. You play. You mean to say that it is not quest or combat content. Not to mention, nobody stated that there would never be housing rewards, mini games, quests, etc. Just not yet.
It's free. People are still bitching because it isn't the exact free thing they want.
Nothing directed at you in particular. Just the last post to respond to and pretty much touched on exactly how ridiculous the whole whining thing is in this instance in particular, and genre in general.
I self identify as a monkey.
1. Some people like to complain for the sake of complaining, and probably don't even play the game.
2. Some people didn't get enough attention as a child from their parents.
~~ postlarval ~~
Trion doesn't bop you on the head with their cash shop...
...they forcibly shove it down your throat and pack it in with a plunger.
~~ postlarval ~~
What they really need to get in is something dealing with underwater--very underutilized "world" esp considering the Argonians shout for it.
After that they should focus on a major expansion of land etc. (Also think they should try to do a Monsters Manual/Fiend Folio style of content--iow add "new monsters" to the already existing world.)
Dear Ryan Getchell,
Homestaed, like One Tamriel, is/will be no DLC. It is a free for all update to the game. Unlike an DLC (= down load content), you won't have to unlock it by paying for it.
Homestaed is a present for all players. Use it or ignore it. No reason to argue.
Many pay their sub fee expecting it to be invested in content they care for, and not raiding, housing, achievements or whatever caters to a specific and smaller niche.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Hearthfire was a huge part of Skyrim (paid DLC), and Homestead looks like Hearthfire on steroids (and it's even a free update!).
I'm sure ZOS is rolling in money already, I'm just glad they managed to achieve that without going the P2W route. Hell WoW is P2P with character boosts in the cash shop (you get hardly more P2W than with that).
I'm super happy with ZOS, and with the things they've achieved so far. Future of the genre is definitively looking bright.
Let's be honest... This is MMORPG.com, where many bitter vets come to die. I would expect nothing less than constant complaining and negativity.
~~ postlarval ~~
Makes for more clicks or something.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
How many servers are you suggesting - the game has sold over 7M so it needs to be a lot. What's it to be 1 server with 10M non-instanced houses? 10,000 with 1,000 instanced houses? Pick whatever numbers you like. If you want to create fewer houses than the number of possible players just say. If you want to have repossession just say.
However:
1. Each server is an instance. You are splitting the population up. If you opt for 1,000 servers that is 1,000 instances.
2. And because there won't be 7M+ players concurrent some of the servers are going to be ghost towns. So there will be a call for server mergers.
Don't take what I or @baphamet say though you tell us how it could be. Just remember each server is an instance .....
~~ postlarval ~~
That said, if it were my one and only game, I would also probably get tired of release after release being thin or devoid of traditional content.
So... the choice... good or bad... I choose not to choose.
Besides, pointless fluff items are among the only things that people will allow in cash shops over here without calling it P2W.