Black Desert or Elder Scrolls Online

Bonejoker · December 2016

I'm looking for a game with a good population to be able to play without problems at the time of finding party.
Was playing black desert but got p2w. I do not know if it stays the same Like archeage.
That causes the population to fall

Thanks for the help

Sovrath · December 2016

I really don't think Black Desert is "pay to win". The caveat to that is that one could consistently buy outfits and put 5 up on the auction house every week until one gets a good amount of money but it's going to take quite a while.

As far as your question, both games lend themselves to solo play. However both games also allow for group play if you are willing to seek it out or put together groups.

Black Desert is more a grind game and Elder Scrolls online is very story driven.

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Archlyte · December 2016

I found it very easy to get groups in ESO but I don't know if that is still true. Only need 4 for a dungeon and we did most of them with 3 people.

ste2000 · December 2016

BDO is not P2W at all.

Having said that, they are both good games.
BDO gives you a Sandbox feeling and it's excellent if you like side activities (Ex. Horse Breeding, Original Crafting), but PVE suxx and it has forced PvP at lvl 50.
ESO has fantastic PvE and excellent Quests and Storilines, but it feels like a generic Themepark.

Anyway since you already tried BDO I do recommend ESO.

TheScavenger · December 2016

Black Desert Online isn't very pay to win anymore. You can buy all the cash shop items with in-game money on the marketplace.

I think both are good, I switch back and forth. However with that said, I don't like the one server thing. The community tanked, its shitty as hell now. (I was on the RP channel of Orwen, and it was an incredible community). So I haven't played since then, waiting for it to die down and see what channel(s) are as good as the RP channel on Orwen was.

ESO however you kinda need to pay for. When you pay, you get some "free" market coins to save up to spend on their cash shop, an infinite size crafting/harvest bag (100%required, because ESO is super limited on inventory space (which Elder Scrolls games are all about hoarding lol), even more than BDO which already felt kinda limiting). On top of all that, when you pay, you get ALL DLCs without paying a ton of money for each of them.

So ESO is actually CHEAPER to pay for, than it is to play for free. To buy all the DLCs would be worth about a years subscription lol. And you don't even get all the other benefits (like the awesome infinite size harvest bag)...not worth playing for free at all

GladDog · December 2016

ESO is far superior PvE, and has good PvP content as long as you can deal with the lag. BDO and ESO both look great, although BDO has a small edge here.

ESO's controls are more 'normal', although if you have been playing BDO for a while that is inconsequential.

I can't stress this enough; ESO is clearly ahead in PvE. Excellent main quest lines and if you get bored just walk into the woods; you will have a quest soon enough.

I never crafted in BDO, but I heard it is pretty good; it would be hard for me to think it is better than ESO's though. Crafting in ESO is second to no other game I have played.

Bonejoker · December 2016

Thank you all for your quick answers

Talonsin · December 2016

Both are good games. I think ESO does PvE better but I love all the non-fighting things you can do in BDO like horse breeding, trade runs and crafting. If you think being able to buy ingame money with real money is P2W then yes BDO is still P2W. Personally I think P2W is when you can advance faster using real money like in Archeage when you can buy all the charms and regrade scrolls to make the best gear. You cant really do that in BDO because those items are not in the cash shop and getting them on the auction house is rare since most people keep those when they find them. When a super rare item goes on the AH, it is a lottery so buying all that ingame cash does not really help a person to get the better gear.

goboygo · December 2016

I cannot recommend BDO its just not fun enough, and we play games to have fun. So I would have torecommend ESO.

Albatroes · December 2016

I think ESO is a pretty good investment. There's a couple of things keeping me from playing the game as much as I like but I think its more personal adjustment vs what the game has to offer as a whole (like the lack of an official AH, but a lot of people seem to be okay with the buy/sell method the game uses). Overall, both are b2p and not really massively expensive in terms of barrier of entry. I'd probably wait for steam's winter sale in a week or so though since it'll probably be 50%+ off for ESO.

BettyFuchs323 · December 2016

I prefer Black Desert Online. I don't think it's a pay to win game. There is much fun in game and what's more, I think the community is very friendly, not like LOL with full of angry players everywhere.

Viper482 · December 2016

Bonejoker said:

I'm looking for a game with a good population to be able to play without problems at the time of finding party.
Was playing black desert but got p2w. I do not know if it stays the same Like archeage.
That causes the population to fall

Thanks for the help

WoW: Legion beats both in what you are looking for.

ste2000 · December 2016

BettyFuchs323 said:

I prefer Black Desert Online. I don't think it's a pay to win game. There is much fun in game and what's more, I think the community is very friendly, not like LOL with full of angry players everywhere.

What are those P2W items these people are talking about?
Can someone enlighten me?

blackthantos · December 2016

Some people are up in arms because you can purchase pearl items with real life money and then put them on the mp for in game silver, what they arent taking into account is, that you can only do this 5x per week before the system cuts you off so to speak, and that the price of gear is in the multi millions, there really isnt anything thats on the shop that is "p2w" or gives a player a distinct advantage over another, there is a nice video that breaks down some math in regard to "p2w" and just how much a player would need to fork out RL money to get to the top so to speak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CT9T9urXu8 on another note its alot easier to gear up in ESO, really depends on what your gaming style is though

PS also forgot to add that the mp in BDO is fixed, so you cannot go in (at least that I have found) and alter the prices for items, example you cant place a low level sword on there for hundreds of millions of silvers.

xyzercrime · December 2016

TheAmir said:

I couldn't stand either of them. ESO felt generic and very, very linear - BDO was a sloppy mess when it came to UI and combat.

Does your answer help OP to solve his problem, champ? This thread ain't about your preference.

To the OP:
Personally, I prefer ESO because content scaling and I can't stand skimpy armor for playing a MMO, too much for destroying immersion (but BDO itself indeed a great game).

Talonsin · December 2016

ste2000 said:

BettyFuchs323 said:

I prefer Black Desert Online. I don't think it's a pay to win game. There is much fun in game and what's more, I think the community is very friendly, not like LOL with full of angry players everywhere.

What are those P2W items these people are talking about?
Can someone enlighten me?

I think people are referring to the ability to buy outfits and sell them for ingame money which allows you to buy the best gear. I dont think they realize how little that applies to BDO due to most top end gear not being available on the auction house or that your chances of getting a piece when it does come up are very little.

Lets take the Orge Ring, it sells for 95 million silver. Outfits sell for around 24 million silver but cost $25 real dollars. That means it would cost you $100 in outfits to have enough silver to get the ring but when a ring goes up, it is randomly given to one of the bidders so there is no guarantee that buying all that ingame money will even work out for you.

This is the big difference between BDO and AA, in AA you can buy regrade items directly from the cash shop to improve your gear and never need to use the auction house or involve other players in the entire transaction.

blackthantos · December 2016

I agree with you xyzer in regard to ESO for sure, and in regard to BDO its not a bad game I would say its also in how much time and energy you want to invest too.

Eldrach · December 2016

To be honest ive always struggled to see the "point" of BDO..The gear..is horrible, pve is horrible..you feel more like a farmer than a fighter if you're exploring the depths of the game. It's good if you like to murder other players as an endgame. ESO has a bit generic but alright PvE, PvP is good, but you should bring a couple of friends, crafting is a bit tedious in the start, but picks up quickly.

Margrave · December 2016

Tired both. Preferred ESO.

Still playing ESO.

Theocritus · December 2016

WHichever one goes f2p first

Iselin · December 2016

Played them both. Got bored with the BDO grind and went back to ESO.

Mikeha · December 2016

Black Desert Online,

That is all.

xyzercrime · December 2016

TheAmir said:

xyzercrime said:

TheAmir said:

I couldn't stand either of them. ESO felt generic and very, very linear - BDO was a sloppy mess when it came to UI and combat.

Does your answer help OP to solve his problem, champ? This thread ain't about your preference.

To the OP:
Personally, I prefer ESO because content scaling and I can't stand skimpy armor for playing a MMO, too much for destroying immersion (but BDO itself indeed a great game).

Made all the more ironic given the fact you started your own recommendation with "Personally, I prefer". Wow, champ. You're a winner.

And what do you offer here? I can't find any answer of yours help OP to decide between ESO or BDO.

The title clearly stated "Black Desert or Elder Scrolls Online", but you offer nothing, yet you still posted and rant about them. Heh, talking about ironic...

ApexTKM · December 2016

I don't play asian mmos so I'd go with ESO.

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