Its not only Turbine, WoW also has this. You get the main development feedback from developers on the American forums. I think perhaps it could have been better having a shared forum, though not only would this lead to a lot more traffic, it would also intertwine issues of both American and European servers together. When you consider the number of American servers and European servers that is quite a few issues in the case of WoW.
The server thing I can understand, not only will the main audience be on your own time you also have lower lag and friends you make you'll more likely to be 'synched' with than having to work out when they are on, pst, est, etc . There is criticism though because there is only one main period to play and thats 'peaktime'. If you play nonpeaktime hours then you have some difficulty. On a 'combined server' you would have more than one choice of 'peaks'. Additionally WoW suffers from queues which arguably with a combined American/European server the load would be a lot less as it would be more distributed.
I think some future mmorpgs will learn from this and perhaps instead of 'restricting', will allow Europeans to play on American servers and Americans to play on European servers.
Originally posted by Danelle Hello Gamers,I have noticed a trend of late that the Main gaming companies, seem to be segregating European folk, the one that stands out the most is Turbine. Since the release of Dungeons and Dragons stormreach online, the entire European community have been completely blanked by Turbine as if we do not exist, countless posts asking them to come to the boards, countless pleas to have a section where we can talk to the Devs about our concerns, have been met with a wall of silence, we are made to feel like second rate citizens, ok, we are not America, we are not famous folks, we are just ever day gamers, who pay the same (in fact more if you add tax) as the next person to play these games they advertise.But enough is enough, we must have some rights, somewhere. Different boards, different staff, different billings different servers, banned from posting on the US boards, banned from playing on the servers, this cannot be right, this is the WORLD wide web, why are we now being restricted to only european servers only, I want to play with folks all around the world, but for some reason this seems to be getting stopped. Even all the above could be forgivable, but when they completely close you out as if you do no exist but take your money regardless, it becomes a problem. I will not play any more games that carry the Turbine insignia till they at least show they are not turning in to a racist company, and here for the Americans only. Danelle Just a normal person is an abnormal world.
I hadn't realized Turbine had gone to such great lengths to seperate the server populations like that. Not that I would put anything past Turbine at this point.
In the past as far as I have always seen it has been a players choice to use servers in their locale or login to US servers if they wanted to play with the US populations. And it should stay optional, forcing everyone to play in their locality is wrong, if you buy a US copy of the release and want to log in to the US servers you should have that ability. After all what if someone decides to take an extended vaction to another country or they move to another country, does that forbid them access to their own account at that point?
Turbine needs to get their act together quickly. However I have a hunch when the server merges start they will be reducing things down to US only servers anyways and then you will HAVE to play over here .
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
As someone else has said there is a similar situation for WOW, which really annoyed me(I am from the UK), I met some really nice people from the USA when I played SWG, part of the fun of playing a mmorpg/mmo for me is the meeting of people from all over the world.
The way I see it, if it worked for SWG then why not other games?
I even tried to play a french server once in one game.. it was a bit of a failure on account of my poor language skills, but one person there was really cool to me and if I was a bit cleverer I would have stayed.
I support you on this Danelle, but lets not blame the American players, its not their fault.
I do not think anyone here or anywhere I have been on forums or otherwise, have ever felt it was the American peoples fault, this lays sololy at the door of the Game producers.
I think a lot of Americans are just as flustrated with the server situation as they cannot come on to the European ones, so that door swings both ways on that issue.
Originally posted by Danelle Originally posted by ChrisMatternOriginally posted by DanelleBut enough is enough, we must have some rights, somewhere. You have exactly one right: the right to refuse to deal with the company because you don't like how you're treated (or for any other reason). Chris MatternHello Chris, You are correct, I have no objection to that view, it seems to be the general trend also, I hear this saying all the time ^if you do not like it leave/go away^ No one seems to want to discuss, communicate or even compromise any more. But it is often hard as the games the companies run are ones we love to play, such as D&D, but how we are treated takes away from the game play. But for me because I do care, and because I do want them to change their attitude to us, I felt I had to say something, perhaps in a foolish hope they may listen. But I also know am one tiny person in the great scheme of things, and not important at all, but still I had to at least try. Danelle
I'm all for communication. You can suggest, complain, negotiate, and it's an excellent idea to do all that. But to proclaim *rights* is not communication at all, it's demands. "I've got a right to this, so you better give it to me!" You have one right, which I mentioned. The rest is all requests.
I always thought we also had the right to be treated equal.
But I do understand what you are saying, and I perhaps termed the word rights incorrectly. I will change it to I respectfully request the option of not being treated like a second class citizen.
Reasons I might see for separating playerbases across the Atlantic
Time zones / Online times : Massiveness is best served by having people play the same time
Language: Yes. And no. I'll elaborate.
Distance to server: You'll find the information transfer slowed when it goes a longer distance. Europeans playin on US servers will communicate more slowly (while the game will play at the same pace)
Reasons not to bother about the above, and reasons to fully avoid server segregation
Time zones: (Avoid) Some people work odd hours, and might find that another server's time zone suits them better, simple as that. They lose an option.
Language: Who doesn't speak English? Quite a few people, but I don't think Europe in general will have more trouble than several inhabitants of the NA continent will. And maybe Canadians would want to join the French server? (Just an example)
Distance to server: This regulates itself if you simply inform the players about it. I mean: "The server you are about to join will provide slower communication than your nearest server, which will put you at a disadvantage in the game. Unless there is a specific reason why you wish to play on this server, we recommend playing the nearest server. Proceed?" (OK, CANCEL)
And I don't, in any way, comprehend the point to separating two playerbases belonging to the same game - on the *forums*. They receive the same patches, they suffer the same nerfs and enjoy the same features. The input they provide will not affect a wholly different game that needs a separate department, it will affect the same game. If it affects the game at all.
One reason might be simply to cut down on incoming info, in which case I find the behaviour rather rude. I don't know. But I don't see any more substantial or reasonable benefits deriving from such practice, and I'd call it malpractice to boot.
The future: Adellion Common flaw in MMORPGs: The ability to die casually Advantages of Adellion: Dynamic world (affected by its inhabitants) Player-driven world (beasts won't be an endless supply of mighty swords, gold will come from mines, not dragonly dens) Player-driven world (Leadership is the privilege of a player, not an npc)
lol I don't think you understand. Turbine doesn't listen to thier fans period; thats why they are somewhat bellying up as a company and had to close Asheron's Call 2 only 3 years after its release.
The Reasons explained above on why they seperate the servers is good and just about all the reasons why a company chooses a proprietary in other countries. Another reason is because they only want profit. So to this end they sell the license to another company so they can host it without Turbine even getting involved, then turbine collects revenue and money for updates. A win win for Turbine, and usually for the proprietary. If you want your suggestions to be heard by turbine it really should be taken up with Codemasters not Turbine itself. Heck if you can get Codemasters to suggest something to Turbine; it would probably hold more wieght then if a player suggests it since they have a closer relationship. So in essence you may seem further away from the developers, but in truth you are actually closer.
The USA and EU have the same racial mix so i don't understand your racism claim.
Alot of companies only do business in the USA and alot of companies only do business in the EU. It's there choice who they want to serve. If they feel it will be profitable to offer their products in the EU then they will. If they don't think its profitable it wont. Companies only care about one thing.. Profit.
Ok, the racsim remark is meant as Euro racism, not in color.
Turbine offered the game to the EU people, we pay for the game that Turbine as offered us, but then once we bought the game, they shut us out completely.
CodeMasters, was apporached, CodeMasters did speak on our behalf to Turbine, and what happend.. Nothing, so we asked them again. and again and again, and they did and was told Turbine would and what happend.. nothing happend.
They are just as flustrated at Turbines stance as we are.
Trust me Turbine doesn't listen to its customers in the US and in Europe. But from a stance as a company head I would listen to my distributers more then a single customer, and if one of my distributers said something on behalf of their player base it should hold alot more bearing since they net in millions for the company and represent alot more players. Truthfully, it isn't racism. Its the companies ignorance.
It even came to incident that i bought US version of WOW just to be able to play with some american friends. This is unfair. Not only you pay monthly fee , but you have to spit another 50$ just to play on other server ?!
And i would like to give big kudos to SONY. (yes you read it right) With small patch you can log on US servers and vice versa
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
First off, your title is completely inappropriate. Racism has nothing to do with any of this. Your entire post loses credibility with this title.
Your first annoyance with Turbine is they haven't posted on European forums. Why would this annoy you? Shouldn't you be ingame and enjoying DDO instead of browsing Euro based forums to see if they posted? How would them making one or two posts make you considerably happier? Also, what do you mean by a wall of silence? Just because they make a post on a NA based forums, its still information regarding the game. Who cares where it was originally posted? It often applies to all DDO fans worldwide. Regardless of where the original post was made.
What rights of yours are being infringed upon? Your right to want them to make a post on a Euro forums? Seems like a peculiar right to want. DDO delivered to Europe and they gave you servers to enjoy yourselves on. What would the problem be? Also, the game is what? 2 months into release? Im sure they have work that needs to be done besides to make posts on the appropriate forums.
Moving on, why on Earth would you be upset for having different boards, different staff and different billing? We all have it. NA has different than Europe, Europe has different than Asia, Asia has different than NA. Your gripe applies to all of us yet nearly no one else has an issue.
My suggestion would be for you to be ingame and enjoy it and the updates they provide and not be so concerned with the dev interactions. They aren't meant to be social people but designers and are likely working on DDO.
Lastly, the simple fact is there are far more mmo users in NA than Europe. I'm not sure why this is but it does hold true. So the devs are going to focus on the NA audience a bit more than Europe but regardless of who they talk to, fans all play the same game. Also, in Asia there are mmorpgs designed, catered and shipped only to the Asian market, totally ignoring NA and Europe. Yet do you see us screaming racism? Of course not. Its absurd. We realize they have an audience there for the game that may not exist here or in Euro. Likewise, the audience for DDO in NA is quite a bit larger than Europe. Developers and companies simply follow the $$$ sign. If its all to be had in NA, expect them to focus here. If its all to be had in Europe, they would be there too.
I have noticed a trend of late that the Main gaming companies, seem to be segregating European folk, the one that stands out the most is Turbine. Since the release of Dungeons and Dragons stormreach online, the entire European community have been completely blanked by Turbine as if we do not exist, countless posts asking them to come to the boards, countless pleas to have a section where we can talk to the Devs about our concerns, have been met with a wall of silence, we are made to feel like second rate citizens, ok, we are not America, we are not famous folks, we are just ever day gamers, who pay the same (in fact more if you add tax) as the next person to play these games they advertise.
But enough is enough, we must have some rights, somewhere. Different boards, different staff, different billings different servers, banned from posting on the US boards, banned from playing on the servers, this cannot be right, this is the WORLD wide web, why are we now being restricted to only european servers only, I want to play with folks all around the world, but for some reason this seems to be getting stopped. Even all the above could be forgivable, but when they completely close you out as if you do no exist but take your money regardless, it becomes a problem. I will not play any more games that carry the Turbine insignia till they at least show they are not turning in to a racist company, and here for the Americans only. Danelle Just a normal person is an abnormal world.
First off, your title is completely inappropriate. Racism has nothing to do with any of this. Your entire post loses credibility with this title.
Only in your thoughts does it lose credibility, but I will take your remark on board.
Your first annoyance with Turbine is they haven't posted on European forums. Why would this annoy you?
Because I bought their product on the assumption is was D&D Online not D &DEurope online
Shouldn't you be ingame and enjoying DDO instead of browsing Euro based forums to see if they posted?
I not only read the forums, I take part in them, its called being part of a community.
Now the same question to you, should you not be in some game taking part in it, that scanning the boards for post to reply back to?
How would them making one or two posts make you considerably happier?
Because I would then know they actually to do care about their full player base not just the American side of it.
Also, what do you mean by a wall of silence? Just because they make a post on a NA based forums, its still information regarding the game. Who cares where it was originally posted?
We do, give us access to this site and we will all be happy.
It often applies to all DDO fans world-wide. Regardless of where the original post was made.
What rights of yours are being infringed upon? Your right to want them to make a post on a Euro forums? Seems like a peculiar right to want.
Why is that? I have just as much right to the information as the person paying across the pond.
DDO delivered to Europe and they gave you servers to enjoy yourselves on. What would the problem be? Also, the game is what? 2 months into release? Im sure they have work that needs to be done besides to make posts on the appropriate forums.
Yes, they have work to be done, its called building community relations.
Moving on, why on Earth would you be upset for having different boards, different staff and different billing? We all have it. NA has different than Europe, Europe has different than Asia, Asia has different than NA. Your gripe applies to all of us yet nearly no one else has an issue.
I understand the different billing I even get the concept of different servers, but different boards no I do not understand.
My suggestion would be for you to be ingame and enjoy it and the updates they provide and not be so concerned with the dev interactions.
Thank you for your concerns regarding my self and time.
They aren't meant to be social people but designers and are likely working on DDO.
I am so glad you are so up on what they do or do not do.
Lastly, the simple fact is there are far more mmo users in NA than Europe.
Your stats for this statement are where?
I'm not sure why this is but it does hold true. So the devs are going to focus on the NA audience a bit more than Europe but regardless of who they talk to, fans all play the same game.
Yes, and we all pay for the same game and support, no one side should get it all.
Also, in Asia there are mmorpgs designed, catered and shipped only to the Asian market, totally ignoring NA and Europe. Yet do you see us screaming racism?
I have no idea, I do not have access to there boards, are you in Asia then?
Of course not. Its absurd. We realize they have an audience there for the game that may not exist here or in Euro. Likewise, the audience for DDO in NA is quite a bit larger than Europe.
Regardless of how many play, they should all be treated the same, given the same options as anyone else.
Developers and companies simply follow the $$$ sign. If its all to be had in NA, expect them to focus here. If its all to be had in Europe, they would be there too
They are here to, to collect the money, publish the game and then hide when we buy it, it seems.
Originally posted by Danelle Ok, the racsim remark is meant as Euro racism, not in color. Danelle
Er, "Euro" is not a race. It is a region, and sort of a loose-knit supernation if you're talking about the EU. You can't have racism if race isn't involved.
Originally posted by Danelle Ok, the racsim remark is meant as Euro racism, not in color. Danelle
Er, "Euro" is not a race. It is a region, and sort of a loose-knit supernation if you're talking about the EU. You can't have racism if race isn't involved.
Ok Chris, how about the Euro Human race is that better.
are germans trying to invade and take over servers again ?
The lack of consideration could be the excessive euro privacy stipulations, gota jump through hoops to protect euro privacy and turbine might not be allowed to sell user info to spamers and other low-lifes.
In AC2 the euros really did not support the game much, seem to recal 20 to 100 people usually loged on their three servers. Mayby turbine has a grudge. Mayby ubisoft has the euro market cornered and turbine had to pay some fee to access that mkt, or they may fear the euros coming after them like they are going after M$. Could be turbine really dislikes the exchange rate & VAT in using bogus euro curency.
Mayby they know most of the euros will be playing warhammer and wow anyway.
When I have a grudge with Ubisoft, I don't waste my spills on my NA forums, I go on some French forums spill my venom.
Codemaster have been put in charge of dealing with the European aspect of the game. I am sure Turbines will be just as happy to answer you than anyone, as long as they read your posts. You can't expect a game who spread worldwide to browse every forum, how could they developp a game if they read posts on every forum? A limit has to be put. Codemaster hold all the necessary information, if they choose to hold it or to release it hardly have anything to do with Turbines.
I am not even sure they post on Canadians forums. Don't you think it would be more appropriate to post on Canadians forums before posting on some Euro forums? And don't you go forgetting Dakota! Nobody ever post, live or do anything in Dakota! So unfair!
As a Canadian-French I resent this "Euro-Race" comment, I am more a French than a German will ever be French! Don't you go spreading false information everywhere! I hardly see how the fact the Frenchs lose against the British make me any less French! We even repel an American invasion in 1814! RaR! Way before Vietnam!
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Originally posted by MadAce And EVE, who strangely DO NOT ignore or mistreat American and Asian players. Strange since CCP is European.
Iceland doesn't really consider itself European. But they have always been pretty equally handed. They have nood channels in quite a few languages now, and have put a fair amount of effort to get as many valounteers on throught the day as possible.
All game producers do not have licenses to operate worldwide. Games are usually licensed out to foreign providers. If they are in different languages, their updates usually lag behind the home country (i.e., DAOC). In order for a license agreement to be profitable for the foreign provider, the home provider usually agrees not to allow people in the licensed foreign market to join the home servers.
My guess is there is such a conglomeration of considerations, that it is just more economical to license the product out in different geographical markets.
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The server thing I can understand, not only will the main audience be on your own time you also have lower lag and friends you make you'll more likely to be 'synched' with than having to work out when they are on, pst, est, etc . There is criticism though because there is only one main period to play and thats 'peaktime'. If you play nonpeaktime hours then you have some difficulty. On a 'combined server' you would have more than one choice of 'peaks'. Additionally WoW suffers from queues which arguably with a combined American/European server the load would be a lot less as it would be more distributed.
I think some future mmorpgs will learn from this and perhaps instead of 'restricting', will allow Europeans to play on American servers and Americans to play on European servers.
I hadn't realized Turbine had gone to such great lengths to seperate the server populations like that. Not that I would put anything past Turbine at this point.
In the past as far as I have always seen it has been a players choice to use servers in their locale or login to US servers if they wanted to play with the US populations. And it should stay optional, forcing everyone to play in their locality is wrong, if you buy a US copy of the release and want to log in to the US servers you should have that ability. After all what if someone decides to take an extended vaction to another country or they move to another country, does that forbid them access to their own account at that point?
Turbine needs to get their act together quickly. However I have a hunch when the server merges start they will be reducing things down to US only servers anyways and then you will HAVE to play over here
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- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
As someone else has said there is a similar situation for WOW, which really annoyed me(I am from the UK), I met some really nice people from the USA when I played SWG, part of the fun of playing a mmorpg/mmo for me is the meeting of people from all over the world.
The way I see it, if it worked for SWG then why not other games?
I even tried to play a french server once in one game.. it was a bit of a failure on account of my poor language skills, but one person there was really cool to me and if I was a bit cleverer I would have stayed.
I support you on this Danelle, but lets not blame the American players, its not their fault.
I do not think anyone here or anywhere I have been on forums or otherwise, have ever felt it was the American peoples fault, this lays sololy at the door of the Game producers.
I think a lot of Americans are just as flustrated with the server situation as they cannot come on to the European ones, so that door swings both ways on that issue.
Danelle
Yeah sorry Danelle I misinterpreted something as negativity towards Americans, my bad, I read this thread in a hurry.
I'm all for communication. You can suggest, complain, negotiate, and it's an excellent idea to do all that. But to proclaim *rights* is not communication at all, it's demands. "I've got a right to this, so you better give it to me!" You have one right, which I mentioned. The rest is all requests.
Chris Mattern
I always thought we also had the right to be treated equal.
But I do understand what you are saying, and I perhaps termed the word rights incorrectly. I will change it to I respectfully request the option of not being treated like a second class citizen.
Danelle
Reasons I might see for separating playerbases across the Atlantic
Reasons not to bother about the above, and reasons to fully avoid server segregation
And I don't, in any way, comprehend the point to separating two playerbases belonging to the same game - on the *forums*. They receive the same patches, they suffer the same nerfs and enjoy the same features. The input they provide will not affect a wholly different game that needs a separate department, it will affect the same game. If it affects the game at all.
One reason might be simply to cut down on incoming info, in which case I find the behaviour rather rude. I don't know. But I don't see any more substantial or reasonable benefits deriving from such practice, and I'd call it malpractice to boot.
The future: Adellion
Common flaw in MMORPGs: The ability to die casually
Advantages of Adellion: Dynamic world (affected by its inhabitants)
Player-driven world (beasts won't be an endless supply of mighty swords, gold will come from mines, not dragonly dens)
Player-driven world (Leadership is the privilege of a player, not an npc)
The Reasons explained above on why they seperate the servers is good and just about all the reasons why a company chooses a proprietary in other countries. Another reason is because they only want profit. So to this end they sell the license to another company so they can host it without Turbine even getting involved, then turbine collects revenue and money for updates. A win win for Turbine, and usually for the proprietary. If you want your suggestions to be heard by turbine it really should be taken up with Codemasters not Turbine itself. Heck if you can get Codemasters to suggest something to Turbine; it would probably hold more wieght then if a player suggests it since they have a closer relationship. So in essence you may seem further away from the developers, but in truth you are actually closer.
The USA and EU have the same racial mix so i don't understand your racism claim.
Alot of companies only do business in the USA and alot of companies only do business in the EU. It's there choice who they want to serve. If they feel it will be profitable to offer their products in the EU then they will. If they don't think its profitable it wont. Companies only care about one thing.. Profit.
Make a difference!
Ok, the racsim remark is meant as Euro racism, not in color.
Turbine offered the game to the EU people, we pay for the game that Turbine as offered us, but then once we bought the game, they shut us out completely.
CodeMasters, was apporached, CodeMasters did speak on our behalf to Turbine, and what happend.. Nothing, so we asked them again. and again and again, and they did and was told Turbine would and what happend.. nothing happend.
They are just as flustrated at Turbines stance as we are.
So we did try that way.:(
Danelle
Truthfully, it isn't racism. Its the companies ignorance.
It even came to incident that i bought US version of WOW just to be able to play with some american friends. This is unfair. Not only you pay monthly fee , but you have to spit another 50$ just to play on other server ?!
And i would like to give big kudos to SONY. (yes you read it right) With small patch you can log on US servers and vice versa
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
First off, your title is completely inappropriate. Racism has nothing to do with any of this. Your entire post loses credibility with this title.
Your first annoyance with Turbine is they haven't posted on European forums. Why would this annoy you? Shouldn't you be ingame and enjoying DDO instead of browsing Euro based forums to see if they posted? How would them making one or two posts make you considerably happier? Also, what do you mean by a wall of silence? Just because they make a post on a NA based forums, its still information regarding the game. Who cares where it was originally posted? It often applies to all DDO fans worldwide. Regardless of where the original post was made.
What rights of yours are being infringed upon? Your right to want them to make a post on a Euro forums? Seems like a peculiar right to want. DDO delivered to Europe and they gave you servers to enjoy yourselves on. What would the problem be? Also, the game is what? 2 months into release? Im sure they have work that needs to be done besides to make posts on the appropriate forums.
Moving on, why on Earth would you be upset for having different boards, different staff and different billing? We all have it. NA has different than Europe, Europe has different than Asia, Asia has different than NA. Your gripe applies to all of us yet nearly no one else has an issue.
My suggestion would be for you to be ingame and enjoy it and the updates they provide and not be so concerned with the dev interactions. They aren't meant to be social people but designers and are likely working on DDO.
Lastly, the simple fact is there are far more mmo users in NA than Europe. I'm not sure why this is but it does hold true. So the devs are going to focus on the NA audience a bit more than Europe but regardless of who they talk to, fans all play the same game. Also, in Asia there are mmorpgs designed, catered and shipped only to the Asian market, totally ignoring NA and Europe. Yet do you see us screaming racism? Of course not. Its absurd. We realize they have an audience there for the game that may not exist here or in Euro. Likewise, the audience for DDO in NA is quite a bit larger than Europe. Developers and companies simply follow the $$$ sign. If its all to be had in NA, expect them to focus here. If its all to be had in Europe, they would be there too.
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First off, your title is completely inappropriate. Racism has nothing to do with any of this. Your entire post loses credibility with this title.
Only in your thoughts does it lose credibility, but I will take your remark on board.
Your first annoyance with Turbine is they haven't posted on European forums. Why would this annoy you?
Because I bought their product on the assumption is was D&D Online not D &DEurope online
Shouldn't you be ingame and enjoying DDO instead of browsing Euro based forums to see if they posted?
I not only read the forums, I take part in them, its called being part of a community.
Now the same question to you, should you not be in some game taking part in it, that scanning the boards for post to reply back to?
How would them making one or two posts make you considerably happier?
Because I would then know they actually to do care about their full player base not just the American side of it.
Also, what do you mean by a wall of silence? Just because they make a post on a NA based forums, its still information regarding the game. Who cares where it was originally posted?
We do, give us access to this site and we will all be happy.
It often applies to all DDO fans world-wide. Regardless of where the original post was made.
What rights of yours are being infringed upon? Your right to want them to make a post on a Euro forums? Seems like a peculiar right to want.
Why is that? I have just as much right to the information as the person paying across the pond.
DDO delivered to Europe and they gave you servers to enjoy yourselves on. What would the problem be? Also, the game is what? 2 months into release? Im sure they have work that needs to be done besides to make posts on the appropriate forums.
Yes, they have work to be done, its called building community relations.
Moving on, why on Earth would you be upset for having different boards, different staff and different billing? We all have it. NA has different than Europe, Europe has different than Asia, Asia has different than NA. Your gripe applies to all of us yet nearly no one else has an issue.
I understand the different billing I even get the concept of different servers, but different boards no I do not understand.
My suggestion would be for you to be ingame and enjoy it and the updates they provide and not be so concerned with the dev interactions.
Thank you for your concerns regarding my self and time.
They aren't meant to be social people but designers and are likely working on DDO.
I am so glad you are so up on what they do or do not do.
Lastly, the simple fact is there are far more mmo users in NA than Europe.
Your stats for this statement are where?
I'm not sure why this is but it does hold true. So the devs are going to focus on the NA audience a bit more than Europe but regardless of who they talk to, fans all play the same game.
Yes, and we all pay for the same game and support, no one side should get it all.
Also, in Asia there are mmorpgs designed, catered and shipped only to the Asian market, totally ignoring NA and Europe. Yet do you see us screaming racism?
I have no idea, I do not have access to there boards, are you in Asia then?
Of course not. Its absurd. We realize they have an audience there for the game that may not exist here or in Euro. Likewise, the audience for DDO in NA is quite a bit larger than Europe.
Regardless of how many play, they should all be treated the same, given the same options as anyone else.
Developers and companies simply follow the $$$ sign. If its all to be had in NA, expect them to focus here. If its all to be had in Europe, they would be there too
They are here to, to collect the money, publish the game and then hide when we buy it, it seems.
Danelle
Er, "Euro" is not a race. It is a region, and sort of a loose-knit supernation if you're talking about the EU. You can't have racism if race isn't involved.
Chris Mattern
Er, "Euro" is not a race. It is a region, and sort of a loose-knit supernation if you're talking about the EU. You can't have racism if race isn't involved.
Ok Chris, how about the Euro Human race is that better.
Danelle
The lack of consideration could be the excessive euro privacy stipulations, gota jump through hoops to protect euro privacy and turbine might not be allowed to sell user info to spamers and other low-lifes.
In AC2 the euros really did not support the game much, seem to recal 20 to 100 people usually loged on their three servers. Mayby turbine has a grudge. Mayby ubisoft has the euro market cornered and turbine had to pay some fee to access that mkt, or they may fear the euros coming after them like they are going after M$. Could be turbine really dislikes the exchange rate & VAT in using bogus euro curency.
Mayby they know most of the euros will be playing warhammer and wow anyway.
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Why not post on an American forum?
When I have a grudge with Ubisoft, I don't waste my spills on my NA forums, I go on some French forums spill my venom.
Codemaster have been put in charge of dealing with the European aspect of the game. I am sure Turbines will be just as happy to answer you than anyone, as long as they read your posts. You can't expect a game who spread worldwide to browse every forum, how could they developp a game if they read posts on every forum? A limit has to be put. Codemaster hold all the necessary information, if they choose to hold it or to release it hardly have anything to do with Turbines.
I am not even sure they post on Canadians forums. Don't you think it would be more appropriate to post on Canadians forums before posting on some Euro forums?
And don't you go forgetting Dakota! Nobody ever post, live or do anything in Dakota! So unfair!
As a Canadian-French I resent this "Euro-Race" comment, I am more a French than a German will ever be French! Don't you go spreading false information everywhere!
I hardly see how the fact the Frenchs lose against the British make me any less French! We even repel an American invasion in 1814! RaR! Way before Vietnam! 
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Iceland doesn't really consider itself European. But they have always been pretty equally handed. They have nood channels in quite a few languages now, and have put a fair amount of effort to get as many valounteers on throught the day as possible.
All game producers do not have licenses to operate worldwide. Games are usually licensed out to foreign providers. If they are in different languages, their updates usually lag behind the home country (i.e., DAOC). In order for a license agreement to be profitable for the foreign provider, the home provider usually agrees not to allow people in the licensed foreign market to join the home servers.
My guess is there is such a conglomeration of considerations, that it is just more economical to license the product out in different geographical markets.
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