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48 hour free fly trial for everyone (2.6, which now includes Star Marine)

randomtrandomt Member UncommonPosts: 1,220
edited December 2016 in Star Citizen
Hello Citizens,  SC is having a 48 hour free fly, so that anyone may try it out.


Our Free Fly has officially begun! For the next 48 hours you can try Star Citizen by entering the code WELCOME2SC.
Register for this trial with the above "promotion code" here: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/promotions/welcome-to-sc




As usual, don't forget to use a referral code when you create your account for some extra in-game credits if you end up buying into it. You can find many such codes in the pinned thread in these forums, or feel free to make use of mine: STAR-JXHC-H4QQ


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  • randomtrandomt Member UncommonPosts: 1,220
    30 gig download though, so if your  net is slow, probably not worth the time, with only 2 days of open access lol
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    randomt said:
    30 gig download though, so if your  net is slow, probably not worth the time, with only 2 days of open access lol
    Still have to re-download the entire game every time there is a patch? or have they actually figured out how the rest of the world does it?
  • randomtrandomt Member UncommonPosts: 1,220
    Kefo said:
    randomt said:
    30 gig download though, so if your  net is slow, probably not worth the time, with only 2 days of open access lol
    Still have to re-download the entire game every time there is a patch? or have they actually figured out how the rest of the world does it?
    They are still working on modifying the cryengine code in order to allow for differential patching in the pak files instead of having to redownload the entire pak files each time a single thing in them changes.. But since they are doing months in between major patches lately,its not so bad.
  • randomtrandomt Member UncommonPosts: 1,220
    Last day of the freefly in theory.. Also note that they are going to have a firesale tomorrow, everything will be available to buy (well, almost everything), so if there's some rarish ship that is never for sale that you were into, now is the freakin' time
  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    randomt said:
    Kefo said:
    randomt said:
    30 gig download though, so if your  net is slow, probably not worth the time, with only 2 days of open access lol
    Still have to re-download the entire game every time there is a patch? or have they actually figured out how the rest of the world does it?
    They are still working on modifying the cryengine code in order to allow for differential patching in the pak files instead of having to redownload the entire pak files each time a single thing in them changes.. But since they are doing months in between major patches lately,its not so bad.
    Little hint, differential patching has nothing to do with cryengine - If they are searching the solution within cry you'll still have to download the complete game in 2025.

    When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
    The cake is a lie.

  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    edited December 2016
    Delta Patching for Dummies Vol. 1 - by Turrican187 :pleased:

    Introduction
    So you have your pak files for your game, you know, those files that are nothing more than nicely zipped stuff to not have over a million small files to download. Really, they are simple packed files ... you can open them with winRAR ...

    Step 1
    First you need to get the MD5 Hash from them, ask them nicely and they will tell you, if they remain silent just use the MD5 library from your favorite programming language or use a MD5 Tool :)

    Step 2
    Save your MD5 Hash table to a database, try not to use the database in which the player persistence is stored, this could lead to players with c1160b0406c816ead28a5e5e899bd595 aUEC - You don't want this.

    Step 3
    Remember your favorite programming language? Create a WinForm with it, Libraries are provided in .NET - you can also hack together a new buggy innovative form with hacking the windows user interface to show off your ... skillz ... but believe me if you want your game on windows (or .NET compatible plattforms) just use .NET.

    Step 4
    In your fancy new form write a small routine that is iterating through your game folder, looking for header information and compares it with your persistent (muhaha) MD5 Hash Table.

    Step 5
    if a difference is detected do NOT download the complete file, for gods sake use xDelta, other games do it, there is no need to write your own stuff for it ... you can not find a better delta than the existing delta of a file - it's something that is a fixed value in the case of 2 files (if there is an apple missing there is an apple missing - if there is a worm in the missing apple the worm will be a part of the delta .. that's how it works).
    Oh and It's not that hard xDelta has a very good documentation and is open source ... [disclaimer] this applies only in the case that you didn't fire all your developers who can read.

    Step 6
    If your MD5s are all sorted and the files are closed just start the game (this is where your Cry3 client is)


    Note: please do not forward this to CIG, I love the drama .. but this is basic stuff they have to know this and just want to write someting very innovative that will shake up the patching community ... well on the back of their backers but I guess I just don't understand game Star Citizen Development.

    When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
    The cake is a lie.

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    Delta Patching for Dummies Vol. 1 - by Turrican187 :pleased:

    Note: please do not forward this to CIG, I love the drama ..
    Yep sure, all 370+ people working for CIG in 4 studios are total idiots and have completely overlooked what you just described, because they cannot code and are completely incompetent. If only someone would have told them how to do it in 2012.

    They should have hired you, the coder god, and this game would have been finished in 2014.


    Have fun
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited December 2016
    Note: please do not forward this to CIG, I love the drama .. but this is basic stuff they have to know this and just want to write someting very innovative that will shake up the patching community ... well on the back of their backers but I guess I just don't understand game Star Citizen Development.
    Why not?

    It seems you know more than them about game development and the specifics of the engine; as such, the developers themselves that already discussed and explained what are the difficulties and what is being done on that area are just plain incompetent liars!

    But what do they know? Mister Turrican187 needs to go there and teach them how to develop the new patcher instead!

    That's quite the Ego you have there mister, quite the ego...
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Torval said:
    Kefo said:
    randomt said:
    30 gig download though, so if your  net is slow, probably not worth the time, with only 2 days of open access lol
    Still have to re-download the entire game every time there is a patch? or have they actually figured out how the rest of the world does it?
    It's not a release product so quit finding stupid stuff to bitch about just to be negative. The rest of the industry isn't that great at patching either so get over it.
    Really? Because games I was alpha testing over 10 years ago could figure this stuff out yet CIG can't after 4+ years of dev?
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    MaxBacon said:
    ...
    ...

    That's quite the Ego you have there mister, quite the ego...
    Not unusual for techies to have that attitude. They are all geniuses and the rest of the world are drooling idiots.

    And on the internet, the above is doubly true, lol
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited December 2016
    Kefo said: 
    Really? Because games I was alpha testing over 10 years ago could figure this stuff out yet CIG can't after 4+ years of dev?
    So that means then the CIG developers are just bloody incompetent and can't develop a launcher?

    By this logic, it seems the fault is not on Chris Roberts after all, it's the team behind Star Citizen who can't develop said launcher with the new patching system; that so they say on this forum is such a simple thing to do.

    They should get all fired and hire Turrican187 instead, the savior of Star Citizen.


    I'd rather take a word of a team that includes some of the people who created the engine this game uses on the first-hand, that what they were doing would require changes up to the core of the engine, if it was so simple it would have been done by now.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    This is by far the most toxic section of the MMORPG.com forums.
    --> points at the old Star Wars Galaxies archive ....

    Have fun
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    MaxBacon said:
    Kefo said: 
    Really? Because games I was alpha testing over 10 years ago could figure this stuff out yet CIG can't after 4+ years of dev?
    So that means then the CIG developers are just bloody incompetent and can't develop a launcher?

    By this logic, it seems the fault is not on Chris Roberts after all, it's the team behind Star Citizen who can't develop said launcher with the new patching system; that so they say on this forum is such a simple thing to do.

    They should get all fired and hire Turrican187 instead, the savior of Star Citizen.


    I'd rather take a word of a team that includes some of the people who created the engine this game uses on the first-hand, that what they were doing would require changes up to the core of the engine, if it was so simple it would have been done by now.
    In a word, yes. How many games out there already do this? It's not like it's a brand new thing to games so there shouldn't be any excuse as to why CIG can't put it so you don't have to download 30+ gigs every time a patch hits
  • randomtrandomt Member UncommonPosts: 1,220
    The files are in a set of compressed package files, so if even one bit in one of the game files changes, the entire pack gets compressed back into the compressed package file with a new hash and etc.. so right now we have to download that entire compressed file.. The differential patcher will do away with that.  It doesn't have to do with cry-engine as such except in that cry-engine is the one with that file format, and if you think you can do it better, maybe you should apply to work for them instead of sprouting vitriol out of your toothole and making yourself look like an internet douche in half your posts eh!

    Okay anyway the free-fly is over!  Don't miss the boxing day sale tomorrow if you have your eye on something!
  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    Torval said:
    This is by far the most toxic section of the MMORPG.com forums.
    CoE get's it going pretty good. Some people troll the hell out of that game as much as this one. Some of the same people even.
    I do not visit CoE threads very often.

    I used to enjoy reading heated discussions between harsh critics (haters if you will) and defenders / advocates (fanbois, white knights in local slang), but I got somewhat fed up with them.
    You got fed up with the haters or fanbois or the forum in general?  
    "Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game."  - SEANMCAD

  • esc-joconnoresc-joconnor Member RarePosts: 1,097
    randomt said:
    The files are in a set of compressed package files, so if even one bit in one of the game files changes, the entire pack gets compressed back into the compressed package file with a new hash and etc.. so right now we have to download that entire compressed file.. The differential patcher will do away with that.  It doesn't have to do with cry-engine as such except in that cry-engine is the one with that file format, and if you think you can do it better, maybe you should apply to work for them instead of sprouting vitriol out of your toothole and making yourself look like an internet douche in half your posts eh!

    Okay anyway the free-fly is over!  Don't miss the boxing day sale tomorrow if you have your eye on something!
    If you want to get more players interested in the game you may want to take the high road, at least in the same post XD
  • Adjuvant1Adjuvant1 Member RarePosts: 2,100
    edited December 2016
    CIG doesn't offer competitive wages. Some part of this makes sense to some degree, but in the end you get what you pay for. People who can command a prevailing wage simply go to work for other companies. This, along with the factor of going to work on a questionable product, with allegedly abusive environment, and the chance one might co-work with nefarious individuals who fleeced customers on their own projects, as Adrian Banninga, force self-respecting prospective employees to reconsider working with the project.

    http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/447607/is-cig-properly-vetting-their-employees/p1

    On flash sales...

    Some amount of immediacy in the eyes of consumers comes with offering sales. This is a bit of a marketing trick, and CIG uses it constantly. When many of these ship.jpgs and other packages first became available, it was with the understanding that purchasing them, in that period, came with such "savings". Therefore people bought them up quickly, believing such an opportunity would not be available in the future, that subsequent offers would be for considerably more, not less or equal cost. Similar tactic was used with the constant offer of LTI, even though that was understood to be a perk only for the people with very early involvement. Maybe some of you were taken by this, maybe some of your friends, your fellow star citizens. To offer the same or better deals later is a smack in the face to those customers, and overlooking this very fact is very akin to something resembling Stockholm Syndrome.

    I don't personally know, anyway, how you have a "sale" on something you don't "buy". The only things you "buy" from CIG are physical goods, as shirts, dog tags and posters. The TOS explicitly states you don't buy any game property, it's all the possession of CIG, you only are gifting them money and they, in the kindness of their hearts, allow you a copy of the software and specific game assets according to your package. Unless you're wearing a Star Citizen hat or a Star Citizen jacket, you didn't "buy" a damn thing, and you're not going to convince a judge otherwise, when the time comes that you want your money back, if CIG is holding back. Fortunately, CIG is still offering refunds last I checked, so I encourage everyone to get one while CIG seems inclined to give one.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/

    Carry on.


  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    Well... Having taken a swing through SC i can not with certainty say three things...

    1: Yes there is a actual game in there. A functional and playable game. (not close to what they have promised but it is not vapor ware)

    2: The level of detail just keep on going up.

    3: My computer is still to weak to play it properly (also since i do not own a HOTAS nor am i a octopus i have no chance to maneuver a spaceship ) 

    All in all i still think there is the core of a good game in there.

    This have been a good conversation

  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited December 2016
    Meh, let the haters flow, every time this game gets one update and gets more fleshed out the louder the naysayers get! And this is no lie.

    2.6 has been a great update to the game, the game is looking and playing better than it did before on a patch that, while it is not 3.0 neither a big content patch, it did noticeable improvements on several areas that really needed them.

    ps. the moment you see some users telling people to get refunds on a thread about trying out the game for free, you see how desperate some people are. lol
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Wrong narrative here surely.

    There are no CiG employees to pay. There is no code to download. There is no game to play. Remember?
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited December 2016
    gervaise1 said:
    Wrong narrative here surely.

    There are no CiG employees to pay. There is no code to download. There is no game to play. Remember?
    This is really how it plays. =/

    Remember how the narrative started with scam/vaporware, then went to super-duper-broken tech demo "NO GAME!" and "LOL Star Marine", and now those people seem to be getting more offensive than before as the game keeps progressing. This means, to keep the negative narrative flowing, the narrative has to rely on something else.

    Seriously only someone blind doesn't see this, a thread about trying 2.6 for free, to keep the negative narrative flowing they changed the topic to the Launcher to talk about how incompetent they are. Everything will always, ALWAYS be turned into something negative.
  • Adjuvant1Adjuvant1 Member RarePosts: 2,100
    I never used the word "vaporware", that is a misrepresentation. I don't, however, argue against speculation the product, in the end, will be vaporware, but they're clearly working on "something" which very much appears to me, and other casual observers, to be the bare minimum necessary to continue the false advertisement narrative which I do express.

    Not that it matters to you. When I type a missive as the one, before, in this thread, while it's truth and sense, it receives every kind of dissonance, sometimes merely tripe in an effort to bury the post so no person with less than hours would spend time to discover it. It's sad to me that you hope CIG will trick more people.

    Of course, with an uninitiated person's exposure to this... thing... as with "free weekend", that uninitiated person deserves to be exposed to the experiences and feelings of past participants. It's a dangerous time, with so many projects as this being pushed, for an unwitting person to be unarmed with knowledge from the past. Any effort, to deny such future prospective "gifters" (because funds to CIG are gifts, if they're for the purpose of acquiring in-game assets) information on the very real poor practices of this company, is sordid and depraved, no less iniquitous than encouraging a defenseless person to wander into a dark alley wherein an armed gang intends to rob them. You should understand, that's how I see you, all of you who would suppress sense and truth on this matter.
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited December 2016
    "My opinions are the truth and the facts." That resumes it. ;)

    I the meantime keeping a desperate anti-SC narrative that even goes on promote refunds on a thread about trying the game FOR FREE; as cheap implying of the intentions and villanizing towards who does not share the negative narrative.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Adjuvant1 said:
    .. Any effort, to deny such future prospective "gifters" (because funds to CIG are gifts, if they're for the purpose of acquiring in-game assets) information on the very real poor practices of this company, is sordid and depraved, no less iniquitous than encouraging a defenseless person to wander into a dark alley wherein an armed gang intends to rob them. You should understand, that's how I see you, all of you who would suppress sense and truth on this matter.
    You should really get out more, lol :wink:
  • Adjuvant1Adjuvant1 Member RarePosts: 2,100
    MaxBacon said:
    "My opinions are the truth and the facts." That resumes it. ;)

    I the meantime keeping a desperate anti-SC narrative that even goes on promote refunds on a thread about trying the game FOR FREE.
    In the end, it's my understanding the whole open world aspect of Star Citizen will be FREE. The released game will be FOR FREE. Am I incorrect in that understanding? Wasn't this discussed years ago? Why should people be encouraged to spend money on a free-to-play game, when they're not viewing the finished product? Even you should agree, people should wait to see the finished product.
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